2016 Postmortem

boobooday

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221. That's for sure

Reply to yardwork (Reply #110)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 07:34 AM

Jun 2016

Basically the definition of "oligarchy."

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The mismatch between crowds and vote totals is reaching the "something rotten in Denmark" level. [View all] reformist2 Jun 2016 OP

LOL Metric System Jun 2016 #1

Explains all the insulting. It doesn't matter if you win over the Bernie supporters. Octafish Jun 2016 #168

I have been convinced that the antiwar liberal Democrat is no longer PufPuf23 Jun 2016 #207

It's the money. Octafish Jun 2016 #222

Funniest thread of the day bravenak Jun 2016 #2

Disagree, I think it very sad SCantiGOP Jun 2016 #199

I just have to laugh bravenak Jun 2016 #200

That could be it SCantiGOP Jun 2016 #202

This stuff is comical bravenak Jun 2016 #206

THat's why Howard Dean and Ron Paul won so easily? brooklynite Jun 2016 #3

Exactly. Garrett78 Jun 2016 #214

Read this article from NPR which will squash your attempt at a fraud conspiracy LonePirate Jun 2016 #4

It said absolutely nothing about election fraud, which is what I maintain has happened. reformist2 Jun 2016 #35

So reject them if you want. You can go to your grave denying reality if you want. The rest of us upaloopa Jun 2016 #56

Good luck with that. dchill Jun 2016 #77

Hillarys agenda will not save the country. Onlaketime Jun 2016 #111

Save it for what? chknltl Jun 2016 #130

Spot on rock Jun 2016 #163

I agree with you and am sad that you are in such hostile territory AikidoSoul Jun 2016 #209

NPR IS Our Version Of PRAVDA! CorporatistNation Jun 2016 #86

That makes so much sense SCantiGOP Jun 2016 #203

Why would an article from NPR squash anything? merrily Jun 2016 #114

Grateful Dead tours - same people went to all of them robbedvoter Jun 2016 #5

Utter bullshit. JackRiddler Jun 2016 #89

Thank you for your reasoned response. I expected nothin better. robbedvoter Jun 2016 #204

What's to say when it's utter bullshit? JackRiddler Jun 2016 #211

Nice try, but no cigar. At least you see the discrepancy, and are trying to rationalize it. reformist2 Jun 2016 #138

Nah, it's reasonable. SpareribSP Jun 2016 #6

I was going to write a long reply but nah...just say it's rigged ...the votes have been bkkyosemite Jun 2016 #53

What else in life do you react to like that? At some point it has to hit you that you are lying to upaloopa Jun 2016 #61

You can't live like what lol.........it's rigged. bkkyosemite Jun 2016 #71

Elections have been rigged in the past. SpareribSP Jun 2016 #73

What else in life do you just accept without question when there is evidence of it having happened cui bono Jun 2016 #93

A thing happening before doesn't mean it is happening now treestar Jun 2016 #120

That begs the question.... bvar22 Jun 2016 #194

Familiar With The "Electronic Vote Flipping" Here In Florida I Even Saw It Flipped In One County CorporatistNation Jun 2016 #84

You've got to get proof of it treestar Jun 2016 #118

Her, "Turn" Bayard Jun 2016 #166

Yes, thank you. KK9 Jun 2016 #132

California popularion tops 39 million lunamagica Jun 2016 #7

Math is not on the side of the Sanders campaign. yardwork Jun 2016 #110

That's for sure boobooday Jun 2016 #221

And there you have it. MineralMan Jun 2016 #127

That's still 1.4%! You know what's an even smaller number? Hillary's 0.02% turnout rate. reformist2 Jun 2016 #142

98.6% of the population did NOT go to Sanders' rally. MineralMan Jun 2016 #144

I just wanna know if you make this stuff up to cause trouble, OR BootinUp Jun 2016 #8

This scscholar Jun 2016 #37

Quit fucking lying! Ed Suspicious Jun 2016 #55

LOL!! GulfCoast66 Jun 2016 #59

Yes bernie is whining the primaries MattP Jun 2016 #9

This is almost as bad as the yard signs analogy MyNameGoesHere Jun 2016 #10

Mmm! Sweet condescension! We can always count on that from your side Ned_Devine Jun 2016 #47

So that's how it works? MyNameGoesHere Jun 2016 #60

You had to steal my idea? That's pretty unoriginal Ned_Devine Jun 2016 #67

I should pity you MyNameGoesHere Jun 2016 #68

Thanks Ned_Devine Jun 2016 #69

They vote GulfCoast66 Jun 2016 #62

I'm 41 Ned_Devine Jun 2016 #66

Lucky you, wish I still was GulfCoast66 Jun 2016 #70

Ha! I didn't even like that movie Ned_Devine Jun 2016 #79

Living that! GulfCoast66 Jun 2016 #83

You too, thanks Ned_Devine Jun 2016 #85

+1 uponit7771 Jun 2016 #115

She knows it, too, or the game wouldn't have been rigged so heavily. pacalo Jun 2016 #11

What exactly does Hillary know? Cali_Democrat Jun 2016 #15

Rigged? sheshe2 Jun 2016 #20

And the rigging depends on everyone being afraid to state the obvious - that it's all a sham. reformist2 Jun 2016 #161

It doesn't really matter if you believe it or not Tarc Jun 2016 #12

+1 oasis Jun 2016 #19

Wow, SO spot on. Thanks for posting. Surya Gayatri Jun 2016 #90

first, California hasn't voted yet Fast Walker 52 Jun 2016 #105

I've been out of state for work every time Clinton has been in my area. Otherwise, I'd go to one. BobbyDrake Jun 2016 #109

1, 2, 3 Tarc Jun 2016 #128

"Hillary voters are seemingly more adept at networking and connecting via social media ..." Fast Walker 52 Jun 2016 #174

I think her events are all staged arikara Jun 2016 #198

Self-congratulatory nonsense, but you're in the general vicinity. Marr Jun 2016 #178

You're only at the first stage of grief. Cali_Democrat Jun 2016 #13

Better pray they get through the next eleven steps quickly TheFarseer Jun 2016 #63

It's totally a conspiracy, yo. Con. Spi. Ra. Cy. YouDig Jun 2016 #14

Has he ever gotten fewer votes than his rally attendance? Recursion Jun 2016 #16

I think Trump did creeksneakers2 Jun 2016 #210

They really have no choice but to try to pass that explanation off with a straight face. The crowds GoneFishin Jun 2016 #17

Indeed, huge enthusiastic crowds at rallies don't "count" when it comes to vote totals. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #135

It's tough for people to admit, that we are dealing with rigged votes as bad as the Soviet Union. reformist2 Jun 2016 #147

The new meme is that unless all Bernie voters (all of them) show up at the rallies then the GoneFishin Jun 2016 #193

Nice one itsrobert Jun 2016 #18

most people who vote dont go to rallies. eom artyteacher Jun 2016 #21

Yep And a lot of them are too young to vote Grassy Knoll Jun 2016 #26

We all know voting fraud does not happen coyote Jun 2016 #22

Voting fraud rarely happens. It's statistically non-existent. But... Triana Jun 2016 #33

Dear god... CherokeeDem Jun 2016 #34

It's absurd isn't it? treestar Jun 2016 #124

you're aware of the exit poll discrepancy for Bernie versus Hillary this year? Fast Walker 52 Jun 2016 #103

I'm not buying it either. smiley Jun 2016 #23

No, what defies logic is that the TC thinks voting is restricted to rally participants. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #139

All of Bernie's supporters show up to his rallies Txbluedog Jun 2016 #24

I can't speak for every Californian Retrograde Jun 2016 #25

And yet for Hillary's events, nobody can be bothered to show up. How do you reconcile that reformist2 Jun 2016 #160

It only seems that way if you think every voter gives a damn about a stupid rally. CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #27

You just need to do the math. Add up all the people who attend a rally in a given state, eastwestdem Jun 2016 #28

I can definitely understand that. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #145

Voting is hard....young voters lack maturity to actually wait in line beachbumbob Jun 2016 #29

This ^^^ treestar Jun 2016 #125

Odd that they only seem to 'lack the maturity to wait in line" in states with closed primaries. Marr Jun 2016 #215

Sad op! hrmjustin Jun 2016 #30

Nobody asked you MFM008 Jun 2016 #31

Many who go to Sanders rallies don't vote or... Triana Jun 2016 #32

Sanders big crowds 90-percent Jun 2016 #36

Well I hope in the coming years when things change for the better you will look back on these days upaloopa Jun 2016 #64

Wow, the crazy is on full throttle isn't it? VOTES matter, not going to rallies. Get sane will you. RBInMaine Jun 2016 #38

so what is your explanation then? Fast Walker 52 Jun 2016 #104

The Only HRC supporters I know of are here Ned_Devine Jun 2016 #39

Amusing when someone with a visible Transparency page, thanks to 5 hidden posts in 90 days, Nye Bevan Jun 2016 #44

You were probably on the lopsided juries for posts of mine that didn't deserve "hides" Ned_Devine Jun 2016 #46

I know, so unfair when brilliantly insightful and erudite posts like this one get hidden. Nye Bevan Jun 2016 #48

Hey, you got me on that one Ned_Devine Jun 2016 #50

Worth noting, the person they were replying to has a transparency page nearly 3x the size Electric Monk Jun 2016 #58

Thanks for that bit of detective work :) Ned_Devine Jun 2016 #80

Yup. Agschmid Jun 2016 #101

For what it's worth... Ned_Devine Jun 2016 #169

FWIW... Agschmid Jun 2016 #170

You are correct. This place has a way of bringing out emotions Ned_Devine Jun 2016 #171

Our responses? What are we supposed to say in response to a reality denying conspiracy theory? CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #54

It's remarkable how few Hillary supporters I know IRL (and other places online). Lizzie Poppet Jun 2016 #74

I have a grand total of 2 Hillary supporting LibDemAlways Jun 2016 #87

Merely because you don't personally know people, doesn't mean they don't exist treestar Jun 2016 #133

Nor did I make any such claim. Lizzie Poppet Jun 2016 #148

I know a HRC supporter at work. Karma13612 Jun 2016 #94

Why is it that, like the conservatives treestar Jun 2016 #131

"planted axiom" Lizzie Poppet Jun 2016 #151

and the Bernie supporters here are never nasty. treestar Jun 2016 #155

Once again, who made such a claim? Lizzie Poppet Jun 2016 #157

You assume that all the people at Bernie rallies want to and can vote... Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #40

Lots of the same folks going to all his rallies if they are wishing 100 miles of each other. nt Jitter65 Jun 2016 #41

What's rotten is the under-reporting of these amazing record breaking crowds! floppyboo Jun 2016 #42

They don't report them precisely because of OP's like this. People NorthCarolina Jun 2016 #116

I agree that it is unusually suspicious, but floppyboo Jun 2016 #137

forgot to add floppyboo Jun 2016 #146

Some people are too busy working, raising a family, and stuff like that, Nye Bevan Jun 2016 #43

so Bernie is just attracting bums with too much time on their hands? Fast Walker 52 Jun 2016 #108

cicadas? wildeyed Jun 2016 #45

I've had a very difficult time believing this, as well... MrMickeysMom Jun 2016 #49

Yeah what a bummer Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #51

Think college campuses and shameless pandering. For there you will find your answer. Trust Buster Jun 2016 #52

It's also always the most populated counties that she wins. FourScore Jun 2016 #57

She's the candidate of the Establishment which has worked to be a metropolitan party HereSince1628 Jun 2016 #91

It's hard to cheat in precincts where 500 ballots are counted by hand. Big city voting machines.... reformist2 Jun 2016 #134

Howard Dean had big rallys MattP Jun 2016 #65

"Romney’s crowds are building—28,000 in Morrisville, Pa., last night; 30,000 in West Chester, Ohio" BzaDem Jun 2016 #72

Hey, I thought that about John Kerry in the GE too. Starry Messenger Jun 2016 #75

How about New Hampshire 2008? Obama drew huge crowds but Hillary won the primary. StevieM Jun 2016 #76

There are explanations for this phenomenon that don't involve fraud Algernon Moncrieff Jun 2016 #78

yes, but do you really think these people aren't voting for him in the primary? Fast Walker 52 Jun 2016 #98

College kids in particular are an odd bunch Algernon Moncrieff Jun 2016 #173

most of the people I've seen in his crowds are much older than college age Fast Walker 52 Jun 2016 #179

Obviously we all see different things, and no group is homogenous Algernon Moncrieff Jun 2016 #190

Our system is not verifiable or transparent in many places. stillwaiting Jun 2016 #185

I'm sure Hillary Clinton would have said exactly the same thing in 2008 Algernon Moncrieff Jun 2016 #192

You are in denial if you believe we have a secure election system. stillwaiting Jun 2016 #197

The system is what it is Algernon Moncrieff Jun 2016 #208

I did not feel like I was arguing with you. stillwaiting Jun 2016 #213

Perhaps "debate" would have been a better chosen word Algernon Moncrieff Jun 2016 #218

Agreed felix_numinous Jun 2016 #81

Concur...K&R laserhaas Jun 2016 #82

Down with Hillary! It's all lie! A million's less than a thousand beheld by eye! tandem5 Jun 2016 #88

I'm with you. It is unbelievable. Literally. And exit polls don't match results either. cui bono Jun 2016 #92

And the spinners say that exit polls are unreliable. . . NO! Throughtout the history pdsimdars Jun 2016 #96

No, the best indicator of how the election is going is how people actually vote. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #149

I can remember when the media wouldn't talk about exit polls because they "gave away" the result! reformist2 Jun 2016 #165

No. What's literally unbelievable is that people think crowd size indicates how the voting will go. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #158

And their notion that Bernie supporters go to the rallies just for the rush and then don't vote . . pdsimdars Jun 2016 #95

exactly-- makes no sense that they wouldn't vote Fast Walker 52 Jun 2016 #100

Of course they vote just not in the numbers that defeat HRC, look... Divine and Weaver ADMITTED they uponit7771 Jun 2016 #117

! kayakjohnny Jun 2016 #97

I really really do not understand this, and it's been bugging me for a while Fast Walker 52 Jun 2016 #99

lolz obamanut2012 Jun 2016 #102

what is your explanation for the discrepancy? Fast Walker 52 Jun 2016 #106

Common sense and intelligence obamanut2012 Jun 2016 #122

There isn't a discrepancy to explain. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #153

I really doubt there's NO correlation, but it's probably not a strict linear correlation Fast Walker 52 Jun 2016 #175

Ron Paul drew massive crowds too. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #188

Not everyone shows up to a rally gollygee Jun 2016 #107

I'd agree, but how do you explain the polls? Android3.14 Jun 2016 #112

That's a common argument, but most corporations are massive conspiracies protecting lies. reformist2 Jun 2016 #136

My guess: Hillary supporters have better things to do Proud Public Servant Jun 2016 #113

Ron Paul used to get massive crowds oberliner Jun 2016 #119

Crowd size, bumper stickers, yard signs Godhumor Jun 2016 #121

I have yet to come across a SINGLE Hill voter yourpaljoey Jun 2016 #123

McGovern and Mondale also had big crowds and lost in landslides book_worm Jun 2016 #126

We should choose our nominees using an aerial headcount of people attending public rallies. Skinner Jun 2016 #129

In other news ... tin foil stock rises sharply. JoePhilly Jun 2016 #140

PLEASE tell me this is parody. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #141

lol whut? rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #143

It's sad to see people on the left resorting to the old Tea Party trick of exaggerating crowd sizes. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #150

Thanks! I needed the laugh. tarheelsunc Jun 2016 #152

Ask yourself how many people are with Bernie or with Hillary whom you know? Octafish Jun 2016 #154

This message was self-deleted by its author Autumn Colors Jun 2016 #156

reformist2...what is the average age of attendees at Sanders rallies? Fresh_Start Jun 2016 #159

Ask Vice President Ferraro nt arely staircase Jun 2016 #162

Or President Howard Dean. n/t pnwmom Jun 2016 #187

I don't believe it either. Obvious fraud taking place in my opinion. ThePhilosopher04 Jun 2016 #164

This year, my wife and I attended campaign events of all 3 candidates days before the Iowa Caucus. stone space Jun 2016 #167

Why have elections? Just count crowds! Adrahil Jun 2016 #172

As long as counting is involved. Better than going on the strength of shouting Yeas and Nays. Hiraeth Jun 2016 #189

Oh boy RandySF Jun 2016 #176

Here's a question-- why is it exactly that Clinton has no large rallies at all? Fast Walker 52 Jun 2016 #177

A number of reasons.... Adrahil Jun 2016 #191

I'm sure a lot of Bernie supporters don't go either Fast Walker 52 Jun 2016 #217

There are still many more with other things to do RandySF Jun 2016 #180

Or appropriating ballot boxes annavictorious Jun 2016 #181

LOL, what's rotten is the ridiculous crowd inflation aka massive overreporting of numbers. ucrdem Jun 2016 #182

I haven't seen a police estimate of any crowd above 30K anywhere. But hyperbole pnwmom Jun 2016 #184

Even the police estimates. In Oakland for example an article with a 20,000 OPD tweet ucrdem Jun 2016 #186

Fine, then don't believe it. It only makes you look like an idiot. beaglelover Jun 2016 #183

The entire DNC infrastructure is dedicated to ramming Hillary in as the nominee. Why wouldn't GoneFishin Jun 2016 #195

3 million could not vote in NY's closed primary noiretextatique Jun 2016 #196

sigh.... MFM008 Jun 2016 #201

Most of us just vote tandot Jun 2016 #205

Many agree with you. Whether true or not, it is a symptom of azmom Jun 2016 #212

Kicked and recommended! Exit polls. eom Enthusiast Jun 2016 #216

Reports from those who try to go to Hillary's mini rallies say they are like Studio 54 GreatGazoo Jun 2016 #219

I intentionally avoid large crowds like the plague Generic Brad Jun 2016 #220