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Good morning rhett o rick Jun 2016 #1
Does Obama support the TPP? Zorro Jun 2016 #130
Is Obama a corporatist? rhett o rick Jun 2016 #131
Asked you first. Zorro Jun 2016 #132
Mine was an answer in the form of a question. He is a corporatist and he loves the TPP. rhett o rick Jun 2016 #133
If it's good enough for Obama then it's good enough for me Zorro Jun 2016 #134
It must be so comforting to blindly trust, but not Democratic. Skepticism is healthy. rhett o rick Jun 2016 #135
45 times Secretary Clinton pushed the trade bill she now opposes Loudestlib Jun 2016 #2
Hillary Cannot Tell The TRUTH On Her Best Day... Especially Re: Her Position On TPP! NOWWW CorporatistNation Jun 2016 #10
That is some in your face crap. Loudestlib Jun 2016 #12
This is clearly Clinton speak:"the President should listen to and work with his allies in Congress," rhett o rick Jun 2016 #17
She doesn't really oppose it. Anyone who believes she now magically does also NorthCarolina Jun 2016 #80
Corporate laws written by corporations for corporations and their profits. think Jun 2016 #3
The logic of the non-progressives befuddles me. They support the Major Corporations that rhett o rick Jun 2016 #42
The use of 'progressive' irritates me becasue it's normally associated with people appalachiablue Jun 2016 #78
They embrace the conservative ideology why can't they admit it? Rhetorical question. rhett o rick Jun 2016 #121
The multi-country trade agreement is not 'conservative ideology'. FDR created it, Sweden uses it pampango Jun 2016 #122
The way that the Dems have favored banks, corporations, free trade and regulation has been the...... dmosh42 Jun 2016 #4
What is frustrating is those that are so devoted to Clinton will not discuss Free Trade. rhett o rick Jun 2016 #24
Yes, you're so right. Not about what's best for the country, but being on the winning side! dmosh42 Jun 2016 #25
Hell no. VulgarPoet Jun 2016 #5
Yes. The trade deals have delivered. Recursion Jun 2016 #6
If everything is going so great why do so many people feel like they are barely surviving? Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 #9
Why do people think crime is more common now than in the 1990s? Recursion Jun 2016 #13
Something tells me you're missing a huge part of the picture Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 #19
Many people have their own statistics, but the government has showed a 20 yr downward trend for..... dmosh42 Jun 2016 #27
20 year? Proof please. 16 year maybe. tonyt53 Jun 2016 #28
Not even 16. Recursion Jun 2016 #34
Upward Recursion Jun 2016 #31
Nobody said the situation is perfect, far from it. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #30
^ That (nt) Recursion Jun 2016 #33
Barely making it because my trendy restaurant in the MyNameGoesHere Jun 2016 #36
Those may be backed up by the numbers forjusticethunders Jun 2016 #32
It actually is an argument, just not a tactful one Recursion Jun 2016 #57
There's research that shows the opposite, however forjusticethunders Jun 2016 #72
Your last paragraph gets to the point Recursion Jun 2016 #79
Seems we have different things in mind forjusticethunders Jun 2016 #98
The high cost of a college education is never figured into the snake oil statistics either think Jun 2016 #61
Yes it is: education costs are included in the CPI Recursion Jun 2016 #81
Where in this thread has anyone referred to the CPI except you in this post? think Jun 2016 #84
The CPI is the formula that adjusts for changing costs, so you brought it up (nt) Recursion Jun 2016 #85
Please show me where I brought the CPI up. think Jun 2016 #89
"The high cost of a college education is never figured into the snake oil statistics" Recursion Jun 2016 #90
I was referring to your snake oil statistics Recursion. You know the ones you create and post here. think Jun 2016 #92
Since we're talking about inflation-adjusted income, that means the CPI (nt) Recursion Jun 2016 #96
Pew Research: "For most workers, real wages have barely budged for decades" think Jun 2016 #99
Yup. But they rose more in the 2 decades after NAFTA Recursion Jun 2016 #103
Nope. Free Trade is a lie used to prevent wealth from trickling down. Orsino Jun 2016 #75
unemployment is higher, wages are lower, the poverty rate is higher and growing..... larkrake Jun 2016 #94
Well, other than the fact that all of those are false, that would be a good argument Recursion Jun 2016 #97
Who did they deliver for? Wall St Mnpaul Jun 2016 #125
Nope. And I will not support any politician who is for them. djean111 Jun 2016 #7
^^THIS^^ CharlotteVale Jun 2016 #46
We already have free trade with every TPP country. HooptieWagon Jun 2016 #8
^^^This^^^ 99Forever Jun 2016 #54
No we don't. Unless you consider ALL trade as being 'free' trade. pampango Jun 2016 #58
NO. And I fail to understand voters who also do not and yet who will vote for Hillary Triana Jun 2016 #11
I can explain it in one word, Authoritarian Adulation. rhett o rick Jun 2016 #18
Gotta be it. Triana Jun 2016 #22
The TPP is pure evil yourpaljoey Jun 2016 #14
Why do you oppose Brunei workers having a minimum wage? Recursion Jun 2016 #15
If they have a government capable of signing a deal then they have one capable of setting TheKentuckian Jun 2016 #23
We didn't wait; we forced them to implement one Recursion Jun 2016 #29
We didn't wait on them to set our minimum wage and if they don't want one it is on them. We should TheKentuckian Jun 2016 #129
Hell no. mmonk Jun 2016 #16
Easy one. Nope. NorthCarolina Jun 2016 #20
I hear you. I think a lot of people will join you. The neoliberals have taken control of rhett o rick Jun 2016 #40
nope. elana i am Jun 2016 #21
Of course they do Robbins Jun 2016 #26
No, I don't, especially after doctors without borders sadoldgirl Jun 2016 #35
According to polls, a lot more Democrats support 'free trade' than republicans. Trump read his base pampango Jun 2016 #37
Well Free Trade does have the word "Free" in it and I am afraid that's about as rhett o rick Jun 2016 #38
Apparently the republican base is not fooled by the "Free" the way Democrats are. pampango Jun 2016 #43
Is it free trade or free labor? EndElectoral Jun 2016 #39
No. I'm not a neolib. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2016 #41
Do you have an iPhone? Mac? a PC? a Flat Screen TV? A Samsung phone? Yavin4 Jun 2016 #44
What's your point? rhett o rick Jun 2016 #45
We live in a global economy Yavin4 Jun 2016 #48
No one said anything about doing away with trade. The TPP isn't about trade it's about empowering rhett o rick Jun 2016 #49
A guy called into a local show today Mnpaul Jun 2016 #47
But the key word is free. We are free to screw ourselves to make the corporations bigger and rhett o rick Jun 2016 #50
Then he isn't trying very hard; consumer reports even has a page for it Recursion Jun 2016 #55
There aren't any labor rules in the TPP Mnpaul Jun 2016 #60
And union leaders being murdered isn't a violation of the agreements either think Jun 2016 #62
If you had a real argument you wouldn't have to resort to a lie like that Recursion Jun 2016 #67
"But the document does not specify how any of those measures should work." think Jun 2016 #82
We don't tell them how to raise the minimum wage, we just make them do it Recursion Jun 2016 #83
SoS Clinton had no problem telling the govt of Haiti it had to lower it's minimum wage.... think Jun 2016 #86
Another reason I didn't vote for her (nt) Recursion Jun 2016 #88
But you just said we don't tell govts how to set the minimum wage. What happened? think Jun 2016 #91
Do we have an FTA with Haiti that I missed? (nt) Recursion Jun 2016 #95
So you're saying that with the TTP we can't influence the minimum wage but without it we can? think Jun 2016 #100
We did influence the minimun wage with the TPP Recursion Jun 2016 #101
We don't enforce the agreements we already have & the AFL-CIO prez calls the TPP a carbon copy: think Jun 2016 #105
And yet you want to take away the AFL-CIO's ability to sue Colombia over those outrages Recursion Jun 2016 #107
Bullshit. I want fair trade where the AFL-CIO sits at the damn table like Obama said he'd do think Jun 2016 #108
Yes, you do. They're suing right now (that's what that complaint is part of) Recursion Jun 2016 #109
If the unions were involved in drafting the FTAs they wouldn't be suing over the 99 murders think Jun 2016 #110
The FTAs are why they can sue Recursion Jun 2016 #112
Are you claiming unions wouldn't have the right to sue if they got to help draft the FTAs? think Jun 2016 #113
They did help to draft the FTAs (just not as much as I would have liked) Recursion Jun 2016 #114
"Unfortunately, our ideas were rejected." That's not helping draft the TTP. That's being shut out think Jun 2016 #117
99 union members and leaders were murdered in Columbia. CAFTA FAILED to protect those workers. think Jun 2016 #115
Well actually yes they are Recursion Jun 2016 #116
NO. The ILAB division of the Department of labor is in charge of over seeing FTA enforcement. think Jun 2016 #118
Since I never claimed that, I obviously haven't repeated it Recursion Jun 2016 #119
Why don't you back up your claims Mnpaul Jun 2016 #124
No NO and no. undergroundpanther Jun 2016 #51
... Scuba Jun 2016 #52
Maybe you should check out the facts about trade agreements. Sancho Jun 2016 #53
I clicked the first link ....Written by a member of a right-wing "freedom" think tank Armstead Jun 2016 #63
Other articles by DANIEL BIER...there's more than one person with that name Sancho Jun 2016 #66
I clicked to the links to the author....A true liberal bashing conservative Armstead Jun 2016 #69
Pick whatever sources you want. Very few will agree 100% with anyone. Sancho Jun 2016 #71
I agree with Ron Paul on certain things...like his opposition to the War in Iraq Armstead Jun 2016 #73
War? Trade? Sancho Jun 2016 #74
I'm not discussing the large subject of war...only as an example Armstead Jun 2016 #76
None of this matters because.. coco77 Jun 2016 #56
Some parts of all trade agreements are good for the US, some parts not. We will never get 100% Jitter65 Jun 2016 #59
Yeah those silly domestic laws should be gotten rid of to make life easier for Corporations Armstead Jun 2016 #64
This is a ridiculous argument though: the countries joining have to *raise* their minimum wage Recursion Jun 2016 #68
"We'll pay you $1.25 a day instead of $1." Armstead Jun 2016 #70
But right now, today, they can move to those countries and just pay $1 Recursion Jun 2016 #77
Who cares? Trade is now off the table. Along with fracking. Universal Health....etc. Armstead Jun 2016 #65
Absolutely. No reputable economist opposes free trade. Nye Bevan Jun 2016 #87
TPP 'worst trade deal ever,' says Nobel-winning economist Joseph Stiglitz think Jun 2016 #93
The TPP is not a "free trade agreement". Nye Bevan Jun 2016 #102
https://ustr.gov/trade-agreements/free-trade-agreements/trans-pacific-partnership/tpp-full-text think Jun 2016 #106
No (nt) bigwillq Jun 2016 #104
Kissinger helped spawn NAFTA. Octafish Jun 2016 #111
I'm currently living in my home state of Michigan. amandabeech Jun 2016 #120
Why do you always pick on Goldman Sachs, as opposed to Deutsche Bank, JP Morgan, or Barclays? Algernon Moncrieff Jun 2016 #123
PNTR for China is the culprit that NAFTA always gets blamed for Recursion Jun 2016 #126
If we have to ship jobs, I'd much rather keep them in Central America or the Caribbean Algernon Moncrieff Jun 2016 #128
Not only no shanti Jun 2016 #127
hell no and no! hopemountain Jun 2016 #136
Clinton Spokesman Brian Fallon on Hillary’s Economic Message | Video link below BootinUp Jun 2016 #137
No. I never have, LWolf Jun 2016 #138
HRC Owns TPP and Would Pass It As Well as TTIP amborin Jun 2016 #139
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