2016 Postmortem

thucythucy

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125. Well, I agree about the AP story.

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 09:59 PM

Jun 2016

I personally doubt the Clinton campaign had anything to do with this, because if anything it suppresses their turnout, not Bernie's.

But I hear what you're saying. The media in this country are incorrigible. The whole point is "get it out first" and "lead with what sells." Even the fucking weather is sensationalized. I can't tune into a local station to hear a weather report now, I have to tune into "First Warning!!!"

Fracking for me is an even bigger issue than the Iraq vote. I mean, Bobby Kennedy voted for the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution, and lived to regret it. So if Hillary cast that vote out of political expediency, or cowardice, or even--who knows?--actually believe that WMD bullshit, she's seen the error and I can (just about) forgive her.

But fracking is, I think, a threat to the entire planet, and last I heard (and I could be wrong) Hillary hasn't changed her position on that. Either way, it's an issue we can't allow to go away.

American politics can drive one to eat detergent. I'll be glad when this primary is over.

Best wishes.

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Hillary deliberately timed this announcement to suppress voter turnout in California. [View all] Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 OP

Nope. Agschmid Jun 2016 #1

A large majority of Hillary's voters have already voted. Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 #4

If there is anything I know about Bernie supporters all this will do is drive turnout. Agschmid Jun 2016 #7

This will suppress turnout. That's also the intended consequence. Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 #36

I absolutely disagree. Agschmid Jun 2016 #41

That makes no sense. Most of Hillary's people have already voted. Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 #44

I agree with you gopiscrap Jun 2016 #80

You are no longer allowed to use the phrases "very clear" and "intended consequences." Tortmaster Jun 2016 #196

challenge accepted Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 #197

Why isn't he winning. I mean he is the okieinpain Jun 2016 #224

Historically things like this alwasy depress turnout passiveporcupine Jun 2016 #56

... Agschmid Jun 2016 #61

There are a lot of issues and other seats on the California ballot, some in more counties then still_one Jun 2016 #68

I live in California and I'll vote LastLiberal in PalmSprings Jun 2016 #145

You realize it was AP, not the Hillary campaign. The ones "crowing" are here on DU, and probably still_one Jun 2016 #181

I now know that it was the AP that released the information. LastLiberal in PalmSprings Jun 2016 #217

I hear you. still_one Jun 2016 #218

I agree completely. I hate that this happened. displacedtexan Jun 2016 #225

you're so wrong amborin Jun 2016 #173

Well, that could be said of Hillary supporters too. Beacool Jun 2016 #176

Delusional. The AP made the call. The other media outlets followed. randome Jun 2016 #2

The Clinton campaign and their new delegates obviously had to place a call to the AP to let them Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 #13

"Obviously". randome Jun 2016 #17

That's too much apcalc Jun 2016 #34

delusional, the MSM has consistently fucked Sanders from the start, from every angle AntiBank Jun 2016 #192

Well, kind of.... kayakjohnny Jun 2016 #35

Just more desperate shenanigans from her flagging campaign AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #94

Almost 300 delegates and millions of votes ahead ... NanceGreggs Jun 2016 #108

Apparently they can't handle their internals in California AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #111

Oh, yeah ... NanceGreggs Jun 2016 #120

Trajectory. cui bono Jun 2016 #179

dems are only 27% of voters larkrake Jun 2016 #121

And the Dems have chosen their candidate. NanceGreggs Jun 2016 #123

uh huh. TheFarS1de Jun 2016 #122

I've never seen a single clip of Carlin in which he appeared stupid. merrily Jun 2016 #220

No, not exactly apcalc Jun 2016 #45

delegates choose when to return these phone calls to the press. Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 #60

Yes....but not with the campaign. It's kinda funny you're missing the bigger story here. nt msanthrope Jun 2016 #91

Uh no, superdelegates absolutely do coordinate their endorsements with the campaigns. Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 #96

No....you are missing the point. These aren't public endorsements. These are private knives, from msanthrope Jun 2016 #98

To avoid primary challenges and being flamed on social media? Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 #101

SDs just bit the bullet. Go after them, you might msanthrope Jun 2016 #106

Boom stevil Jun 2016 #112

Post removed Post removed Jun 2016 #133

Oh for gosh sakes, you know how pathetic that sounds. still_one Jun 2016 #69

I don't see how anybody could possibly not see that. What are you missing? Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 #73

I live in California. California does NOT vote on a single issue. There are a lot of issues, and still_one Jun 2016 #79

Yup. zappaman Jun 2016 #114

I voted by mail, but anyone who was going to vote this morning, will still be voting tomorrow. still_one Jun 2016 #132

I like to do it in person. zappaman Jun 2016 #139

I understand, a lot of folks prefer the real time action of voting still_one Jun 2016 #184

who said they do Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 #239

Yup, more dirty tricks to tilt nomimation to Hillary... is anyone surprised by this? InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2016 #90

Its not a dirty trick creeksneakers2 Jun 2016 #151

Yeah, and you know something? Those calls weren't all made in the last hour. randome Jun 2016 #205

Yeah she did it so she could suppress her own voter turnout. nt Jitter65 Jun 2016 #3

Polls have shown Hillary wins California easily in a low turnout situation. Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 #15

Correct. nt Duval Jun 2016 #83

Except for the fact that Hillary wins when turnout is high. stopbush Jun 2016 #182

Except for the fact that I posted a link to poll in the OP that shows that Bernie would be Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 #183

But it isn't true. stopbush Jun 2016 #185

Did you read it ? Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 #187

Yeah, I did, and I didn't see the evidence to back up your claims. stopbush Jun 2016 #188

you can try reading this summary Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 #189

Well, the summary you linked to had nothing to do with the link you stopbush Jun 2016 #193

I linked to the poll in the OP and now I've also provided you with two news articles discussing the Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 #194

Yes you did. But the poll you linked to in your OP stopbush Jun 2016 #216

Here's another summary Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 #190

wrong *again* LaydeeBug Jun 2016 #5

WRONG DURHAM D Jun 2016 #6

This is muy delicioso bravenak Jun 2016 #8

Jeez...Not everything that happens in this primary is Hillary's nefarious doing Blaukraut Jun 2016 #9

Why? New Jersey was going to put her over the top anyway book_worm Jun 2016 #10

Well yeah cause nobody now will remember that embarrassing loss Skink Jun 2016 #11

AP called it KingFlorez Jun 2016 #12

The Clinton campaign coorinated with their delegates on the timing of their phone calls to the AP Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 #20

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof anigbrowl Jun 2016 #26

Superdelegates coordinate their endorsement announcements with the campaigns. Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 #99

Often they do, but this is hardly a law of nature as you seem to imagine anigbrowl Jun 2016 #103

It's not a law of nature but it's a political reality. Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 #105

Sez you anigbrowl Jun 2016 #113

You think 20+ delegates all called the AP on the same day, the night before the Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 #119

Ill explain this again MFM008 Jun 2016 #186

The AP made the telephone calls KingFlorez Jun 2016 #31

Think whatever you want... RichGirl Jun 2016 #39

10 more days.....nt ecstatic Jun 2016 #14

Until people stop attacking Democrats like Senator Sanders. Matt_R Jun 2016 #212

Every time I think maybe I can hold my nose and vote for her. Barack_America Jun 2016 #16

This Tragl1 Jun 2016 #33

The good news is, we voters are apparently not needed. Barack_America Jun 2016 #43

She didn't dp thus. In fact, she did not want this. apcalc Jun 2016 #48

Yeah, at this point her fault or not, Tragl1 Jun 2016 #58

"I'm done trying to justify voting for her." thucythucy Jun 2016 #85

For me it's her stance on fracking Tragl1 Jun 2016 #97

I voted Bernie in my state's primary thucythucy Jun 2016 #104

Yeah... Tragl1 Jun 2016 #115

Well, I agree about the AP story. thucythucy Jun 2016 #125

Best wishes to you to Thucy Tragl1 Jun 2016 #131

Your last straw creeksneakers2 Jun 2016 #152

oh but she did larkrake Jun 2016 #124

The last straw for me was their "Sanders controls voting stations in Puerto Rico" lie AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #95

Please explain to me how this is a Clinton "stunt" TeacherB87 Jun 2016 #54

It's gonna really be hard to ignore the stink... The empressof all Jun 2016 #63

STOP THE VOTE! dchill Jun 2016 #18

Her big thumb has been on the scale every step of the way. Waiting For Everyman Jun 2016 #19

This will go down in history as one of the greatest media and election manipulations of all time. Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 #29

2004 and 2008 Tarc Jun 2016 #50

It is for her. senz Jun 2016 #135

This isn't cheese, it's a slice of bitter lemon. Waiter!! anigbrowl Jun 2016 #21

doubt it, and yeah she's going to win mail-ins but they take a while to count ucrdem Jun 2016 #22

That's exactly right. Our democracy has been sold to the plutocrats icecreamfan Jun 2016 #23

They are smarter than you give them credit for. upaloopa Jun 2016 #38

Uh huh RandySF Jun 2016 #24

. Brickbat Jun 2016 #25

It wouldn't stop me MFM008 Jun 2016 #27

It shouldn't. Same scenario whether the let the air out of Clintons celebration or not. Nt seabeyond Jun 2016 #47

Blame AP Setsuna1972 Jun 2016 #28

why? reddread Jun 2016 #53

The AP has been surveying super delegates for the entire election. creeksneakers2 Jun 2016 #154

Honestly I don't know why they did it on Monday Setsuna1972 Jun 2016 #246

I think it will depress her turnout apcalc Jun 2016 #30

always ready with a new conspiricy. upaloopa Jun 2016 #32

Nope oh 17 hides Gomez163 Jun 2016 #37

Or 13 hides, for those understand the concept of hypocrisy Android3.14 Jun 2016 #201

This message was self-deleted by its author Gomez163 Jun 2016 #214

Absolutely. Republicans and Hillary do well with low turnout RufusTFirefly Jun 2016 #40

Yep, cause who wants more delegates in their column justiceischeap Jun 2016 #42

Buulshit and just more irresponsible false accusations. seabeyond Jun 2016 #46

So now Hillary controls the AP? Lol you people eom rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #49

She coordinates with her (super)delegates on the timing of their announcements Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 #52

Oh sure she did eom rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #59

You have proof of this? zappaman Jun 2016 #118

Oh for cheese sake. Get a life. HRC didn't want this announced tonight Fla Dem Jun 2016 #51

there is something worse than Fat Free Foods reddread Jun 2016 #57

Yeah, she probably told AP "Cut it out!" n/t RufusTFirefly Jun 2016 #65

exactly. Also, the OP like this is insulting to Californian's like me. We have other issues and still_one Jun 2016 #71

Someone did Marrah_G Jun 2016 #172

Yes, the press. AP had to have the scoop, so they could claim they called it first. Fla Dem Jun 2016 #213

Bullshit Justitia Jun 2016 #55

There There Doctor Jack Jun 2016 #62

LOL Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 #64

Concur laserhaas Jun 2016 #66

That is blatantly false. First there are a lot of other races and issues on the California ballot, still_one Jun 2016 #67

I posted a link to that poll and it says exactly what I indicated Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 #75

believe whatever you want. I am from California, and Californians are going to vote. Your belief still_one Jun 2016 #86

Just stop. madaboutharry Jun 2016 #70

Doesn't this belong in the Conspiracy Theory Group? SFnomad Jun 2016 #72

I don't understand LoverOfLiberty Jun 2016 #74

Her supporters don't need to vote. HooptieWagon Jun 2016 #76

Of course they do. Fla Dem Jun 2016 #88

Didn't you hear? She's locked up the nomination, HooptieWagon Jun 2016 #92

that's what I just said also gopiscrap Jun 2016 #77

. RandySF Jun 2016 #78

LOL!!!!! Beacool Jun 2016 #177

only someone short sighted wouldn't vote because of this announcement Fresh_Start Jun 2016 #81

I can't judge people so harshly. A lot of people don't follow politics but they might be smart in Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 #84

it makes no sense to care about the presidency and not care about the US Congress Fresh_Start Jun 2016 #87

I softened the language...nt Fresh_Start Jun 2016 #89

More sleaze in a contest already rife with it. Jester Messiah Jun 2016 #82

Yeah, they tried to taint the Hispanic vote by claiming Sanders controlled the election in PR AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #93

You are a talented fiction writer Renew Deal Jun 2016 #100

It's not really fiction. It's a fairly obvious political reality. Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 #102

It's not true. the AP contacted the SD's on their own. Hillary rejected the BreakfastClub Jun 2016 #107

When you call a superdelegate it goes to voicemail or their secretary. Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 #110

No, it's just your claim anigbrowl Jun 2016 #138

OK Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 #141

It could be horrible for Hillary too stevil Jun 2016 #109

The majority of Hillary's votes have already been cast by mail. Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 #117

Explain to me like I'm a Cheese Sandwich stevil Jun 2016 #128

Lol because her people have mostly already finished voting? Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 #130

So mail vote is suspect? Most of them? Hardly. stevil Jun 2016 #137

No they already voted by mail. The majority of California voters do vote by mail, Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 #140

High turnout has been shown to be advantageous to Bernie. senz Jun 2016 #142

So sorry. stevil Jun 2016 #144

Bernie would have been helped by high turnout in California. That was clear in the polls. Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 #147

Ok stevil Jun 2016 #149

This primary was unbelievable. It may not be possible for many to come together. stillwaiting Jun 2016 #207

yes she did larkrake Jun 2016 #116

She had nothing to do with this call tonight. wisteria Jun 2016 #126

I don't see how anyone who follows politics and media trends could possibly believe that. Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 #161

oh good god.... chillfactor Jun 2016 #127

Hillary Clinton is not the Associated Press. Agnosticsherbet Jun 2016 #129

If they didn't announce it some other new agency would have. Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 #136

It's a dirty deed with no rationale. Why today? senz Jun 2016 #134

Your other reasons creeksneakers2 Jun 2016 #163

Warmonger, poor judgment, recklessness, lying, quid pro quo deals as SOS, senz Jun 2016 #166

Winner, presumptive nominee, next president arely staircase Jun 2016 #208

+1000. She just keeps smugly, arrogantly slathering on her amoral grease. JudyM Jun 2016 #168

Californians have a lot to vote on. nini Jun 2016 #143

This message was self-deleted by its author Lizzie Poppet Jun 2016 #146

California has a Senate Primary election to replace Boxer and many other things to vote on JI7 Jun 2016 #148

That makes no sense Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #150

Not really because the only state in question is California, but the majority of Hillary's Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 #156

Well then why does it matter ...if voting has happened? Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #167

The majority of California votes by mail. Hillary has a much bigger portion of her voters using mail Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 #170

Good one. You topped yourself again itsrobert Jun 2016 #153

.. Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 #165

At this point IDC. I want to make sure Trumo IS NEVER ALLOED IN THE WH. Raine1967 Jun 2016 #155

Why does this matter? Raine1967 Jun 2016 #157

I'm still focused on fighting Hillary Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 #159

Alright; I am moving on to fight Trump. Raine1967 Jun 2016 #160

She also ordered Tropical Storm Colin lovemydog Jun 2016 #158

No. Raine1967 Jun 2016 #162

It's a conspiracy man! HarmonyRockets Jun 2016 #164

So you hate Hillary enough that now you're making up things? Might want to see a specialist eastwestdem Jun 2016 #169

Someone did Marrah_G Jun 2016 #171

Cheese, the air must be thin in the parallel world that you inhabit. Beacool Jun 2016 #174

it would effect the result but there are other things at stake in California Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 #175

Hey, who knew ... NanceGreggs Jun 2016 #178

I haven't seen a new California poll released in LibDemAlways Jun 2016 #180

"If Clinton manages to hold him off and win the primary, it would be as a result of a low turnout" Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 #191

Uh huh... MrWendel Jun 2016 #195

“For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, DrDan Jun 2016 #198

nah I'm not feeeling that at all Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 #244

K & R AzDar Jun 2016 #199

If she spent half as much time on her message instead of her tactical game, she might win pdsimdars Jun 2016 #200

Politicians politicking Bad Dog Jun 2016 #202

If politics isn't news why do we have so much news about politics Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 #238

I didn't say politics wasn't news, just that typical politicking isn't. Bad Dog Jun 2016 #241

She was not the one doing it Nonhlanhla Jun 2016 #203

Timed winning? OK. LOL arely staircase Jun 2016 #204

Yep. This is a perk of having the media on her side. Doctor_J Jun 2016 #206

Okay. Fareal? Gurl pleeze! NurseJackie Jun 2016 #209

... LexVegas Jun 2016 #210

"..."depending on how they feel" Tarc Jun 2016 #211

Kicked MaeScott Jun 2016 #215

Calling this voter suppression is insulting to the real victims of voter suppression onenote Jun 2016 #219

BWAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!! MohRokTah Jun 2016 #221

That was sneaky of her to have contests that would put her over the top these past 6 months themaguffin Jun 2016 #222

So, releasing bad news about your opponent is now "voter suppression?" Freddie Stubbs Jun 2016 #223

Campaigning against Bernie is voter suppression by definition alcibiades_mystery Jun 2016 #230

I leave my radio on at night libodem Jun 2016 #226

Hillary is all powerful! She can control the weather WhiteTara Jun 2016 #227

But she's also a Very Weak Candidate (tm) alcibiades_mystery Jun 2016 #231

I know. That's why she has more votes WhiteTara Jun 2016 #232

everyone already knew she won ... eom artyteacher Jun 2016 #228

So all these first time voters felix_numinous Jun 2016 #229

Recommended Cheese Sandwich saidsimplesimon Jun 2016 #233

It's not SOP (standard operating procedure) certainly, as some here claim. Triana Jun 2016 #234

Every dirty trick Pukes do Hillary can do better. JEB Jun 2016 #235

^This. AzDar Jun 2016 #247

The corporate media is so incredibly desperate to subvert democracy. Why? mhatrw Jun 2016 #236

They don't give a fuck about democracy. Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 #237

FWIW Whether The Clintons Are Behind This Or Not AND I ChiciB1 Jun 2016 #240

Here's an idea. Why don't you pull something outta your ass and post it as fact? Lil Missy Jun 2016 #242

This just seems completely obvious to me. Not sure how you don't see it Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 #243

What "announcement" are you talking about? George II Jun 2016 #245