2016 Postmortem

anigbrowl

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138. No, it's just your claim

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 10:29 PM

Jun 2016

You're acting like it's a universal law when it isn't. Just because you think something is obviously true doesn't make it so. I feel like I'm arguing with some fundamentalist religious type that can't conceive of any ideas besides those they already believe.

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Hillary deliberately timed this announcement to suppress voter turnout in California. [View all] Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 OP

Nope. Agschmid Jun 2016 #1

A large majority of Hillary's voters have already voted. Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 #4

If there is anything I know about Bernie supporters all this will do is drive turnout. Agschmid Jun 2016 #7

This will suppress turnout. That's also the intended consequence. Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 #36

I absolutely disagree. Agschmid Jun 2016 #41

That makes no sense. Most of Hillary's people have already voted. Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 #44

I agree with you gopiscrap Jun 2016 #80

You are no longer allowed to use the phrases "very clear" and "intended consequences." Tortmaster Jun 2016 #196

challenge accepted Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 #197

Why isn't he winning. I mean he is the okieinpain Jun 2016 #224

Historically things like this alwasy depress turnout passiveporcupine Jun 2016 #56

... Agschmid Jun 2016 #61

There are a lot of issues and other seats on the California ballot, some in more counties then still_one Jun 2016 #68

I live in California and I'll vote LastLiberal in PalmSprings Jun 2016 #145

You realize it was AP, not the Hillary campaign. The ones "crowing" are here on DU, and probably still_one Jun 2016 #181

I now know that it was the AP that released the information. LastLiberal in PalmSprings Jun 2016 #217

I hear you. still_one Jun 2016 #218

I agree completely. I hate that this happened. displacedtexan Jun 2016 #225

you're so wrong amborin Jun 2016 #173

Well, that could be said of Hillary supporters too. Beacool Jun 2016 #176

Delusional. The AP made the call. The other media outlets followed. randome Jun 2016 #2

The Clinton campaign and their new delegates obviously had to place a call to the AP to let them Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 #13

"Obviously". randome Jun 2016 #17

That's too much apcalc Jun 2016 #34

delusional, the MSM has consistently fucked Sanders from the start, from every angle AntiBank Jun 2016 #192

Well, kind of.... kayakjohnny Jun 2016 #35

Just more desperate shenanigans from her flagging campaign AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #94

Almost 300 delegates and millions of votes ahead ... NanceGreggs Jun 2016 #108

Apparently they can't handle their internals in California AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #111

Oh, yeah ... NanceGreggs Jun 2016 #120

Trajectory. cui bono Jun 2016 #179

dems are only 27% of voters larkrake Jun 2016 #121

And the Dems have chosen their candidate. NanceGreggs Jun 2016 #123

uh huh. TheFarS1de Jun 2016 #122

I've never seen a single clip of Carlin in which he appeared stupid. merrily Jun 2016 #220

No, not exactly apcalc Jun 2016 #45

delegates choose when to return these phone calls to the press. Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 #60

Yes....but not with the campaign. It's kinda funny you're missing the bigger story here. nt msanthrope Jun 2016 #91

Uh no, superdelegates absolutely do coordinate their endorsements with the campaigns. Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 #96

No....you are missing the point. These aren't public endorsements. These are private knives, from msanthrope Jun 2016 #98

To avoid primary challenges and being flamed on social media? Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 #101

SDs just bit the bullet. Go after them, you might msanthrope Jun 2016 #106

Boom stevil Jun 2016 #112

Post removed Post removed Jun 2016 #133

Oh for gosh sakes, you know how pathetic that sounds. still_one Jun 2016 #69

I don't see how anybody could possibly not see that. What are you missing? Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 #73

I live in California. California does NOT vote on a single issue. There are a lot of issues, and still_one Jun 2016 #79

Yup. zappaman Jun 2016 #114

I voted by mail, but anyone who was going to vote this morning, will still be voting tomorrow. still_one Jun 2016 #132

I like to do it in person. zappaman Jun 2016 #139

I understand, a lot of folks prefer the real time action of voting still_one Jun 2016 #184

who said they do Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 #239

Yup, more dirty tricks to tilt nomimation to Hillary... is anyone surprised by this? InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2016 #90

Its not a dirty trick creeksneakers2 Jun 2016 #151

Yeah, and you know something? Those calls weren't all made in the last hour. randome Jun 2016 #205

Yeah she did it so she could suppress her own voter turnout. nt Jitter65 Jun 2016 #3

Polls have shown Hillary wins California easily in a low turnout situation. Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 #15

Correct. nt Duval Jun 2016 #83

Except for the fact that Hillary wins when turnout is high. stopbush Jun 2016 #182

Except for the fact that I posted a link to poll in the OP that shows that Bernie would be Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 #183

But it isn't true. stopbush Jun 2016 #185

Did you read it ? Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 #187

Yeah, I did, and I didn't see the evidence to back up your claims. stopbush Jun 2016 #188

you can try reading this summary Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 #189

Well, the summary you linked to had nothing to do with the link you stopbush Jun 2016 #193

I linked to the poll in the OP and now I've also provided you with two news articles discussing the Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 #194

Yes you did. But the poll you linked to in your OP stopbush Jun 2016 #216

Here's another summary Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 #190

wrong *again* LaydeeBug Jun 2016 #5

WRONG DURHAM D Jun 2016 #6

This is muy delicioso bravenak Jun 2016 #8

Jeez...Not everything that happens in this primary is Hillary's nefarious doing Blaukraut Jun 2016 #9

Why? New Jersey was going to put her over the top anyway book_worm Jun 2016 #10

Well yeah cause nobody now will remember that embarrassing loss Skink Jun 2016 #11

AP called it KingFlorez Jun 2016 #12

The Clinton campaign coorinated with their delegates on the timing of their phone calls to the AP Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 #20

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof anigbrowl Jun 2016 #26

Superdelegates coordinate their endorsement announcements with the campaigns. Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 #99

Often they do, but this is hardly a law of nature as you seem to imagine anigbrowl Jun 2016 #103

It's not a law of nature but it's a political reality. Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 #105

Sez you anigbrowl Jun 2016 #113

You think 20+ delegates all called the AP on the same day, the night before the Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 #119

Ill explain this again MFM008 Jun 2016 #186

The AP made the telephone calls KingFlorez Jun 2016 #31

Think whatever you want... RichGirl Jun 2016 #39

10 more days.....nt ecstatic Jun 2016 #14

Until people stop attacking Democrats like Senator Sanders. Matt_R Jun 2016 #212

Every time I think maybe I can hold my nose and vote for her. Barack_America Jun 2016 #16

This Tragl1 Jun 2016 #33

The good news is, we voters are apparently not needed. Barack_America Jun 2016 #43

She didn't dp thus. In fact, she did not want this. apcalc Jun 2016 #48

Yeah, at this point her fault or not, Tragl1 Jun 2016 #58

"I'm done trying to justify voting for her." thucythucy Jun 2016 #85

For me it's her stance on fracking Tragl1 Jun 2016 #97

I voted Bernie in my state's primary thucythucy Jun 2016 #104

Yeah... Tragl1 Jun 2016 #115

Well, I agree about the AP story. thucythucy Jun 2016 #125

Best wishes to you to Thucy Tragl1 Jun 2016 #131

Your last straw creeksneakers2 Jun 2016 #152

oh but she did larkrake Jun 2016 #124

The last straw for me was their "Sanders controls voting stations in Puerto Rico" lie AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #95

Please explain to me how this is a Clinton "stunt" TeacherB87 Jun 2016 #54

It's gonna really be hard to ignore the stink... The empressof all Jun 2016 #63

STOP THE VOTE! dchill Jun 2016 #18

Her big thumb has been on the scale every step of the way. Waiting For Everyman Jun 2016 #19

This will go down in history as one of the greatest media and election manipulations of all time. Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 #29

2004 and 2008 Tarc Jun 2016 #50

It is for her. senz Jun 2016 #135

This isn't cheese, it's a slice of bitter lemon. Waiter!! anigbrowl Jun 2016 #21

doubt it, and yeah she's going to win mail-ins but they take a while to count ucrdem Jun 2016 #22

That's exactly right. Our democracy has been sold to the plutocrats icecreamfan Jun 2016 #23

They are smarter than you give them credit for. upaloopa Jun 2016 #38

Uh huh RandySF Jun 2016 #24

. Brickbat Jun 2016 #25

It wouldn't stop me MFM008 Jun 2016 #27

It shouldn't. Same scenario whether the let the air out of Clintons celebration or not. Nt seabeyond Jun 2016 #47

Blame AP Setsuna1972 Jun 2016 #28

why? reddread Jun 2016 #53

The AP has been surveying super delegates for the entire election. creeksneakers2 Jun 2016 #154

Honestly I don't know why they did it on Monday Setsuna1972 Jun 2016 #246

I think it will depress her turnout apcalc Jun 2016 #30

always ready with a new conspiricy. upaloopa Jun 2016 #32

Nope oh 17 hides Gomez163 Jun 2016 #37

Or 13 hides, for those understand the concept of hypocrisy Android3.14 Jun 2016 #201

This message was self-deleted by its author Gomez163 Jun 2016 #214

Absolutely. Republicans and Hillary do well with low turnout RufusTFirefly Jun 2016 #40

Yep, cause who wants more delegates in their column justiceischeap Jun 2016 #42

Buulshit and just more irresponsible false accusations. seabeyond Jun 2016 #46

So now Hillary controls the AP? Lol you people eom rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #49

She coordinates with her (super)delegates on the timing of their announcements Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 #52

Oh sure she did eom rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #59

You have proof of this? zappaman Jun 2016 #118

Oh for cheese sake. Get a life. HRC didn't want this announced tonight Fla Dem Jun 2016 #51

there is something worse than Fat Free Foods reddread Jun 2016 #57

Yeah, she probably told AP "Cut it out!" n/t RufusTFirefly Jun 2016 #65

exactly. Also, the OP like this is insulting to Californian's like me. We have other issues and still_one Jun 2016 #71

Someone did Marrah_G Jun 2016 #172

Yes, the press. AP had to have the scoop, so they could claim they called it first. Fla Dem Jun 2016 #213

Bullshit Justitia Jun 2016 #55

There There Doctor Jack Jun 2016 #62

LOL Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 #64

Concur laserhaas Jun 2016 #66

That is blatantly false. First there are a lot of other races and issues on the California ballot, still_one Jun 2016 #67

I posted a link to that poll and it says exactly what I indicated Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 #75

believe whatever you want. I am from California, and Californians are going to vote. Your belief still_one Jun 2016 #86

Just stop. madaboutharry Jun 2016 #70

Doesn't this belong in the Conspiracy Theory Group? SFnomad Jun 2016 #72

I don't understand LoverOfLiberty Jun 2016 #74

Her supporters don't need to vote. HooptieWagon Jun 2016 #76

Of course they do. Fla Dem Jun 2016 #88

Didn't you hear? She's locked up the nomination, HooptieWagon Jun 2016 #92

that's what I just said also gopiscrap Jun 2016 #77

. RandySF Jun 2016 #78

LOL!!!!! Beacool Jun 2016 #177

only someone short sighted wouldn't vote because of this announcement Fresh_Start Jun 2016 #81

I can't judge people so harshly. A lot of people don't follow politics but they might be smart in Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 #84

it makes no sense to care about the presidency and not care about the US Congress Fresh_Start Jun 2016 #87

I softened the language...nt Fresh_Start Jun 2016 #89

More sleaze in a contest already rife with it. Jester Messiah Jun 2016 #82

Yeah, they tried to taint the Hispanic vote by claiming Sanders controlled the election in PR AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #93

You are a talented fiction writer Renew Deal Jun 2016 #100

It's not really fiction. It's a fairly obvious political reality. Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 #102

It's not true. the AP contacted the SD's on their own. Hillary rejected the BreakfastClub Jun 2016 #107

When you call a superdelegate it goes to voicemail or their secretary. Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 #110

No, it's just your claim anigbrowl Jun 2016 #138

OK Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 #141

It could be horrible for Hillary too stevil Jun 2016 #109

The majority of Hillary's votes have already been cast by mail. Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 #117

Explain to me like I'm a Cheese Sandwich stevil Jun 2016 #128

Lol because her people have mostly already finished voting? Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 #130

So mail vote is suspect? Most of them? Hardly. stevil Jun 2016 #137

No they already voted by mail. The majority of California voters do vote by mail, Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 #140

High turnout has been shown to be advantageous to Bernie. senz Jun 2016 #142

So sorry. stevil Jun 2016 #144

Bernie would have been helped by high turnout in California. That was clear in the polls. Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 #147

Ok stevil Jun 2016 #149

This primary was unbelievable. It may not be possible for many to come together. stillwaiting Jun 2016 #207

yes she did larkrake Jun 2016 #116

She had nothing to do with this call tonight. wisteria Jun 2016 #126

I don't see how anyone who follows politics and media trends could possibly believe that. Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 #161

oh good god.... chillfactor Jun 2016 #127

Hillary Clinton is not the Associated Press. Agnosticsherbet Jun 2016 #129

If they didn't announce it some other new agency would have. Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 #136

It's a dirty deed with no rationale. Why today? senz Jun 2016 #134

Your other reasons creeksneakers2 Jun 2016 #163

Warmonger, poor judgment, recklessness, lying, quid pro quo deals as SOS, senz Jun 2016 #166

Winner, presumptive nominee, next president arely staircase Jun 2016 #208

+1000. She just keeps smugly, arrogantly slathering on her amoral grease. JudyM Jun 2016 #168

Californians have a lot to vote on. nini Jun 2016 #143

This message was self-deleted by its author Lizzie Poppet Jun 2016 #146

California has a Senate Primary election to replace Boxer and many other things to vote on JI7 Jun 2016 #148

That makes no sense Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #150

Not really because the only state in question is California, but the majority of Hillary's Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 #156

Well then why does it matter ...if voting has happened? Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #167

The majority of California votes by mail. Hillary has a much bigger portion of her voters using mail Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 #170

Good one. You topped yourself again itsrobert Jun 2016 #153

.. Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 #165

At this point IDC. I want to make sure Trumo IS NEVER ALLOED IN THE WH. Raine1967 Jun 2016 #155

Why does this matter? Raine1967 Jun 2016 #157

I'm still focused on fighting Hillary Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 #159

Alright; I am moving on to fight Trump. Raine1967 Jun 2016 #160

She also ordered Tropical Storm Colin lovemydog Jun 2016 #158

No. Raine1967 Jun 2016 #162

It's a conspiracy man! HarmonyRockets Jun 2016 #164

So you hate Hillary enough that now you're making up things? Might want to see a specialist eastwestdem Jun 2016 #169

Someone did Marrah_G Jun 2016 #171

Cheese, the air must be thin in the parallel world that you inhabit. Beacool Jun 2016 #174

it would effect the result but there are other things at stake in California Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 #175

Hey, who knew ... NanceGreggs Jun 2016 #178

I haven't seen a new California poll released in LibDemAlways Jun 2016 #180

"If Clinton manages to hold him off and win the primary, it would be as a result of a low turnout" Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 #191

Uh huh... MrWendel Jun 2016 #195

“For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, DrDan Jun 2016 #198

nah I'm not feeeling that at all Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 #244

K & R AzDar Jun 2016 #199

If she spent half as much time on her message instead of her tactical game, she might win pdsimdars Jun 2016 #200

Politicians politicking Bad Dog Jun 2016 #202

If politics isn't news why do we have so much news about politics Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 #238

I didn't say politics wasn't news, just that typical politicking isn't. Bad Dog Jun 2016 #241

She was not the one doing it Nonhlanhla Jun 2016 #203

Timed winning? OK. LOL arely staircase Jun 2016 #204

Yep. This is a perk of having the media on her side. Doctor_J Jun 2016 #206

Okay. Fareal? Gurl pleeze! NurseJackie Jun 2016 #209

... LexVegas Jun 2016 #210

"..."depending on how they feel" Tarc Jun 2016 #211

Kicked MaeScott Jun 2016 #215

Calling this voter suppression is insulting to the real victims of voter suppression onenote Jun 2016 #219

BWAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!! MohRokTah Jun 2016 #221

That was sneaky of her to have contests that would put her over the top these past 6 months themaguffin Jun 2016 #222

So, releasing bad news about your opponent is now "voter suppression?" Freddie Stubbs Jun 2016 #223

Campaigning against Bernie is voter suppression by definition alcibiades_mystery Jun 2016 #230

I leave my radio on at night libodem Jun 2016 #226

Hillary is all powerful! She can control the weather WhiteTara Jun 2016 #227

But she's also a Very Weak Candidate (tm) alcibiades_mystery Jun 2016 #231

I know. That's why she has more votes WhiteTara Jun 2016 #232

everyone already knew she won ... eom artyteacher Jun 2016 #228

So all these first time voters felix_numinous Jun 2016 #229

Recommended Cheese Sandwich saidsimplesimon Jun 2016 #233

It's not SOP (standard operating procedure) certainly, as some here claim. Triana Jun 2016 #234

Every dirty trick Pukes do Hillary can do better. JEB Jun 2016 #235

^This. AzDar Jun 2016 #247

The corporate media is so incredibly desperate to subvert democracy. Why? mhatrw Jun 2016 #236

They don't give a fuck about democracy. Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 #237

FWIW Whether The Clintons Are Behind This Or Not AND I ChiciB1 Jun 2016 #240

Here's an idea. Why don't you pull something outta your ass and post it as fact? Lil Missy Jun 2016 #242

This just seems completely obvious to me. Not sure how you don't see it Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 #243

What "announcement" are you talking about? George II Jun 2016 #245