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2016 Postmortem

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Armstead

(47,803 posts)
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 11:43 PM Jun 2016

Even if you support Clinton, you should also be appalled by the media Bigfooting the voters [View all]

Democracy is a process. The processes are annoying and frustrating. But they are there to provide a backstop to keep everyone accountable.

News is news. If Clinton is ahead, she is ahead.

But the media just set a precedent to take a step like declare the "presumptive nominee" on the night before Big Primaries and before other smaller primaries. It has short circuited the process. Comcast, the AP and otehr Big Media are not supposed to be the arbiters of that.

Let's suppose the show is placed on the otehr foot.

Let's say in late October, on the eve of the election. Trump is significantly ahead of Clinton. The media decides to "Call it" for him while the campaign is still underway. They put his picture up with a little checkmark -- simply because the indications and polls indicate that he is the "likely winner."

"We have to report this because it is the news," they say.

And thus they imply it is all over before the votes have been cast. Thus helping to create a self-fulfilling prophecy, depressing Democrats, and making it likely that many will just stay home rather than waste time on a lost cause.

Would you be happy? I don't think so. Would you complain and challenge it as undemocratic? Probably.

This is no different. Sanders is behind, and Clinton has been the likely winner. But the process ensures that everyone has a chance to weigh in. That's why we have a democracy. Or used to.


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This is well within historical precedence and norms. We have waited a long time to celebrate. Trust Buster Jun 2016 #1
That does not answer the Ops question.... AuntPatsy Jun 2016 #12
No. Not on the night before one of the biggest round of primaries of the season. Unprofessional. reformist2 Jun 2016 #31
THIS! nt tblue37 Jun 2016 #41
Could you provide an historical example... leftinportland Jun 2016 #32
2008 TwilightZone Jun 2016 #53
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2016 #62
All primaries were over at that time... leftinportland Jun 2016 #63
Hypocrites puffy socks Jun 2016 #2
Someone endorsing is not the same as the media calling an election on the noght before a vote Armstead Jun 2016 #4
You're kidding, right ? Trust Buster Jun 2016 #20
Oh please. puffy socks Jun 2016 #21
sanders was a Senator and a number of Senators have endorsed Clinton azurnoir Jun 2016 #51
Those senators werent running for president and whining about puffy socks Jun 2016 #59
Bernie wasn't running for POTUS at the time he endorsed Obama either azurnoir Jun 2016 #61
Well, the media can count. TwilightZone Jun 2016 #46
Two days after all primaries were over...that is when Sanders endorsed Obama... leftinportland Jun 2016 #35
He endorsed when Obama had the nomination wrapped up. puffy socks Jun 2016 #56
Sanders endorsed Obama after everyone had voted democrattotheend Jun 2016 #60
It was much closer in 08 Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #67
They all will "project" winners before the election, yet will cover the returns coming in as always bettyellen Jun 2016 #3
"The Republicans do it too!!!!!!11!!1!" mac56 Jun 2016 #10
The press has been doing this to DEM AND GOP RACES FOR YEARS!!! FOR YEARS! bettyellen Jun 2016 #29
FOR YEARS?? FOR YEARS?? mac56 Jun 2016 #44
It is what it is. The press withholding information would be unethical. bettyellen Jun 2016 #54
Sorry if you do not appreciate the difference Armstead Jun 2016 #11
They regret the outcome, not the fact that the outcome was reported. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #22
this is the night AFTER a weekend of two votes that put her over- DO PR and VI not matter? bettyellen Jun 2016 #23
Jesus Christ -- It could have at least waited 24 hours. Let people vote without that skew. Armstead Jun 2016 #37
Sitting on the results would be irresponsible. TwilightZone Jun 2016 #50
Your advocating for the press to withhold information they know due to the timing of an election? bettyellen Jun 2016 #52
Yes Armstead Jun 2016 #55
I don't see how that would be a good precedent. I'm all for making it easier to vote but no one bettyellen Jun 2016 #65
Why does the rest of the world have to wait 24 hours to accommodate your feelings? anigbrowl Jun 2016 #83
But this is not a Democracy. mia Jun 2016 #5
This is a political party, choosing their nominee by rules they have established. MADem Jun 2016 #39
"The 'democracy' bit" tomorrow's voices and is trying to sway their votes. mia Jun 2016 #74
Political parties are not, by their nature, democratic in their own MADem Jun 2016 #82
My Mom is huge Hillary supporter and does not like this at all OctOct1 Jun 2016 #6
All Democrats should not be happy with the media tonight. LonePirate Jun 2016 #7
Burying the news because it might impact an election is not good journalism. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #19
I agree with your point. I just don't think it would have any impact on the elections. LonePirate Jun 2016 #27
You do not know the effect it will have. Armstead Jun 2016 #40
I have no idea what effect it will have. I simply think the AP could have waited 24 hours. LonePirate Jun 2016 #47
I'll make that decision for you. It's unethical. Armstead Jun 2016 #49
"This mostly seemed like a rush to scoop () a foregone conclusion..." -- nothing more, nothing less. Surya Gayatri Jun 2016 #87
They are like little kids--all they care about is being the first to tell. nt tblue37 Jun 2016 #43
You got one thing right at least. News is news. And what AP investigated and reported is news. onenote Jun 2016 #8
Not only could this suppress Hillary's vote, as well, tblue37 Jun 2016 #48
tomorrows primaries are still going on and Sanders says he still has the delegates to win so msongs Jun 2016 #9
Very well said passiveporcupine Jun 2016 #13
This is not any new precedent. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #14
Were you appalled when Kerry was declared the nominee months before California? BainsBane Jun 2016 #15
A media call does not trump votes KingFlorez Jun 2016 #16
Self fulfilling prophecies Armstead Jun 2016 #30
Sure, and the media has no influence. Corporation give them millions for nothing. rhett o rick Jun 2016 #34
I am livid. DURHAM D Jun 2016 #17
So you admit that the Democrats are divided. Yes we have the Progressives that support rhett o rick Jun 2016 #42
There's nothing ethical about the media influencing an election. Waiting For Everyman Jun 2016 #18
I'm pissed too. nt geek tragedy Jun 2016 #24
why are you guys all blaming the media? Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 #25
hit.nail.head Lizzie Poppet Jun 2016 #57
That sounds pretty reasonable to me Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 #73
Team Sanders should be ecstatic--the announcement might serve to depress the Clinton vote in CA. MADem Jun 2016 #26
If this was Sanders, the whole board would be "berning" with joy, and celebrating lunamagica Jun 2016 #28
Wait'll it happens to a candidate you support Armstead Jun 2016 #33
This is just the media making a call. Everyone is free to vote, jus as they were before lunamagica Jun 2016 #80
LOL, do you think this is our first rodeo? anigbrowl Jun 2016 #84
Calling a race over does suppress turnout. TDale313 Jun 2016 #36
If that's true then support is really weak. Neither of the campaigns wanted this to happen lunamagica Jun 2016 #79
No, we are not like you. We want to help those struggling among us and not the Big Corporations. rhett o rick Jun 2016 #45
ome on, every time there was even a tiny good new about Sanders, you gloated and gloated lunamagica Jun 2016 #78
+1. nt tblue37 Jun 2016 #38
I'm pissed off..they should have waited until Tuesday night...nt asuhornets Jun 2016 #58
In all my posts reviewing the state of the primary, I never included LuvLoogie Jun 2016 #64
She had the delegates so why wait? Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #66
I say this from a truth i felt in 2008. Raine1967 Jun 2016 #68
Clinton was given the chance to concede after the last vote Armstead Jun 2016 #70
She also suspended her campaign. This is a really important point for me. Raine1967 Jun 2016 #72
In 2008 Obama was not facing an FBI investigation (or 2) or possible indictment. stillwaiting Jun 2016 #86
I believe we can confidently expect a disaster Voice for Peace Jun 2016 #69
I have been saying the media Buzz cook Jun 2016 #71
Bullcrap. Blame the SD's for not falling for Bernie's story if you want. BootinUp Jun 2016 #75
The Media have done this in every Democratic Primiary since 1984. Agnosticsherbet Jun 2016 #76
Facts are news. Hard to take sometimes. I was in a funk for months when Kerry lost to Hoyt Jun 2016 #77
This is an absurd argument anigbrowl Jun 2016 #81
Agreed...disgusted Hillary supporter here. No one wins when voter turnout is surpressed. eastwestdem Jun 2016 #85
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