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In reply to the discussion: Bernie Supporters Please Pay Attention to This Good Advice and Then Smile [View all]Tragl1
(104 posts)43. Um you can't read the TPP
https://theintercept.com/2015/06/13/cant-read-tpp-cant-find-congress/
Are you seriously arguing pro TPP? Wow, I smell a plant. If you claim to be pro-consumer by definition you cannot also be pro-TPP. Those two don't go together unless you have convoluted capitalism and humanism, which is no bueno. Anyways, the context to many of those bills is they have given up/alienated rights of workers/individuals protections, not gone far enough. So it's a matter of perspective and context.
Historically for example, you can say oh wow, look what Columbus did, crossed the ocean and all that, yay, but he killed how many native Arawacks and mainland Indians through genocide and slavery?
Or a more pertinent example take the Clintons crime bill of the 90's, she and Bill like to tout the lowest unemployment rate statistic for African Americans. Well if you add in the incarceration rate by product of said legislation the net effect is that unemployment essentially stayed unchanged, but the cultural and societal impact, well that's just barely being understood today. It wasn't good though, the decimation of the black community being its after effect.
I'm just after truth and fair context, a lot of those bills are poor retreads of a tire of corporate power. Women will still make less than men, the latest bill didn't really address the inherent sexism in hiring/employment. So to argue the democrats and Clinton by proxy are the next heralding of an progressive movement.
Well, I chortle.
I am chortling now.
Are you seriously arguing pro TPP? Wow, I smell a plant. If you claim to be pro-consumer by definition you cannot also be pro-TPP. Those two don't go together unless you have convoluted capitalism and humanism, which is no bueno. Anyways, the context to many of those bills is they have given up/alienated rights of workers/individuals protections, not gone far enough. So it's a matter of perspective and context.
Historically for example, you can say oh wow, look what Columbus did, crossed the ocean and all that, yay, but he killed how many native Arawacks and mainland Indians through genocide and slavery?
Or a more pertinent example take the Clintons crime bill of the 90's, she and Bill like to tout the lowest unemployment rate statistic for African Americans. Well if you add in the incarceration rate by product of said legislation the net effect is that unemployment essentially stayed unchanged, but the cultural and societal impact, well that's just barely being understood today. It wasn't good though, the decimation of the black community being its after effect.
I'm just after truth and fair context, a lot of those bills are poor retreads of a tire of corporate power. Women will still make less than men, the latest bill didn't really address the inherent sexism in hiring/employment. So to argue the democrats and Clinton by proxy are the next heralding of an progressive movement.
Well, I chortle.
I am chortling now.
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Bernie Supporters Please Pay Attention to This Good Advice and Then Smile [View all]
Joe Nation
Jun 2016
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Why won't they support him? Well, if he's not the candidate? So who was responsible for NAFTA anyway
highprincipleswork
Jun 2016
#3
This is not going to be over for a long, long time. There is a movement out here, and it is not
highprincipleswork
Jun 2016
#11
See ya! I didn't even say Bernie supporters would go to Trump. I said "some" would. With some good
highprincipleswork
Jun 2016
#15
I'm talking about what Trump is going to say, and it's going to be so easy with Hillary as the
highprincipleswork
Jun 2016
#20
Guess you folks can't see that Democrats like the Clintons are responsible for passing so much
highprincipleswork
Jun 2016
#32
is it how Germany does it? I find your views kind of pretentious and also mistaken. but seems
highprincipleswork
Jun 2016
#36
Problem is, I don't trust her not to put just as many corporate tools in those positions.
Lizzie Poppet
Jun 2016
#24
Besides, some people benefit from being slapped in the face with patronizing.
Joe Nation
Jun 2016
#22