2016 Postmortem

Paper Roses

(7,519 posts) Wed Jun 8, 2016, 01:08 PM Jun 2016

I'm old, white, liberal, female and disgusted. [View all]

This discussion thread was locked as off-topic by hrmjustin (a host of the 2016 Postmortem forum).

The long of it, I'm sad that Bernie has lost, at least for now.
The short of it:
I'm sick of being ostracized, criticized, belittled because of my position. Discourse is good, hate is not one of our fine points!
I supported Bernie and will until the end.

I do not appreciate the cruel comments from the opposition regarding my position and that of others on this site.
Most of us try to be fair, to post our opinions, to inform. But to those who gloat, rub it in, call us disillusioned...too much.
This opinion applies to both sides.

If Hillary won fair and square, fine. Yes, I am sad about that. If problems arise later that question her past, her capabilities, don't tell me I am a foolish old lady. I supported the person I thought would be the best representative for all of America.

I will support Bernie until and if there is no other option.
As for November. Maybe I'll sleep in.

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I'm old, white, liberal, female and disgusted. [View all] Paper Roses Jun 2016 OP

there were plenty of valid reasons to support Sanders over Clinton. geek tragedy Jun 2016 #1

K&R PJMcK Jun 2016 #27

It would be nice to have some progressives to ... Fantastic Anarchist Jun 2016 #86

Congress will almost certainly be more conservative than Clinton. geek tragedy Jun 2016 #88

Liberal in some cases, not so liberal in others. Fantastic Anarchist Jun 2016 #90

the measure was usually e 60th more liberal Senator and 218th most liberal geek tragedy Jun 2016 #91

We actually had a filibuster proof majority at the beginning of Obama's first term. Warren DeMontague Jun 2016 #105

Not until June 7, when Franken was finally sworn in. geek tragedy Jun 2016 #107

7 months, they couldnt do anything. Warren DeMontague Jun 2016 #109

Yes, autocorrect. geek tragedy Jun 2016 #111

Interesting that you talk about how we had these difficult votes- Nelson, Lieberman, Lincoln etc Warren DeMontague Jun 2016 #113

Lieberman was not a Democrat anymore, and withheld his vote pnwmom Jun 2016 #160

Kennedy died August 25th. So it was only 79 days. And how often was Kennedy well enough to vote? n/t ieoeja Jun 2016 #151

The Democrats could have fixed the filibuster rules fasttense Jun 2016 #132

Democrats are using the filibuster these days. geek tragedy Jun 2016 #134

Kennedy died August 25th. So it was only 79 days. And how often was Kennedy well enough to vote? n/t ieoeja Jun 2016 #150

Joe Lieberman was part of that majority, and he was then an independent, pnwmom Jun 2016 #159

Yeah, and a lot of people are still rightly pissed about the non-stop shit that was thrown at us for Warren DeMontague Jun 2016 #104

I have to smile every time I read Sanders supporters complaining geek tragedy Jun 2016 #106

Sure, because according to the all powerful narrative, we're the bad ones. Warren DeMontague Jun 2016 #108

Hey, the group of people who polluted this place geek tragedy Jun 2016 #110

Right, the constant conflation of vocal criticism with abuse. Warren DeMontague Jun 2016 #112

you know that Sanders fans made up the "Brock hiring trolls" stuff, right? geek tragedy Jun 2016 #123

Yeah, okay. And how about all the craptasticly offensive posts from Hill folk? Warren DeMontague Jun 2016 #127

primary season turns people into feral assholes. dog bites man nt geek tragedy Jun 2016 #128

Yeah, I managed to make it through w/o calling people cute nasty names or accusing them of being Warren DeMontague Jun 2016 #129

Some of us had our identity denied nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #145

Fer Christ's sake, give it up. Major Hogwash Jun 2016 #124

I don't even know what that means. Warren DeMontague Jun 2016 #131

Says the person with 10 hides. bvar22 Jun 2016 #157

You might find this article of interest.... Land of Enchantment Jun 2016 #2

The system is clearly rigged to support the Establishment and not the People. rhett o rick Jun 2016 #8

Thank you! At least some of the media is taking notice. senz Jun 2016 #9

You do realize how hurtful the picture of Buzz cook Jun 2016 #14

Hurtful to whom? It states a political/economic reality. senz Jun 2016 #16

I too pretend my opinions are reality. Bias suits us well LanternWaste Jun 2016 #30

There is no parallels MFM008 Jun 2016 #49

That is so true as to not have to be stated. 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2016 #79

Weren't you the one just yesterday racing around DU screaming that she couldn't be the Number23 Jun 2016 #83

Thank you nt Buzz cook Jun 2016 #96

No it does not. They are nowhere close in any way shape or form. apcalc Jun 2016 #135

Here. Read this in the spirit of self-understanding. senz Jun 2016 #19

toughen up buttercup elehhhhna Jun 2016 #26

You and your supporters have been disrespecting Bernie for Lord knows how long, desmiller Jun 2016 #34

Well reasoned article. JudyM Jun 2016 #31

^^^ This ^^^ senz Jun 2016 #47

This is patently false vdogg Jun 2016 #56

... She would not have had that margin without the complicity of AP. JudyM Jun 2016 #57

Lol vdogg Jun 2016 #60

But that is not what the poster is "telling" you. Fantastic Anarchist Jun 2016 #89

Nice straw men, but the band wagon effect is well known nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #148

Oh, FFS! Will you people JUST ONCE do some math? This is ridiculous. Those 107 SD's weren't Squinch Jun 2016 #62

Already answered before you posted your FFS. JudyM Jun 2016 #66

SMH. So much ridiculous. Squinch Jun 2016 #139

Nothing but a Sanders lancer78 Jun 2016 #120

Sanders is bringing a lot of people like us to the convention. Orsino Jun 2016 #3

They will not ignore them. RoccoR5955 Jun 2016 #33

What? Not a funny joke in a democracy at an open convention. The Wielding Truth Jun 2016 #141

Does not matter BlindTiresias Jun 2016 #37

Hope so!!! n/t BlancheSplanchnik Jun 2016 #97

I old, white, liberal, female and disgusted Faux pas Jun 2016 #4

I hope you'll join us in helping to defeat Trump . NurseJackie Jun 2016 #5

I'm with you, sister. senz Jun 2016 #6

Agree except that Hillary did NOT win fair and square. Not by a long shot. cui bono Jun 2016 #7

Thanks! Was so happy to see the OP that I overlooked this crucial point. senz Jun 2016 #10

Amen. My point exactly.....nt Land of Enchantment Jun 2016 #17

Still delusional. And you wonder why that word used! upaloopa Jun 2016 #20

Another Hill fan personal insult? Try arguing your case, upaloopa. senz Jun 2016 #21

Another Hill fan with 11 hides, bvar22 Jun 2016 #158

Completely agree. It was outrageous. Waiting For Everyman Jun 2016 #44

Thanks - well put - couldn't agree more. ciaobaby Jun 2016 #12

That's just a silly post. The Dems have and are moving left, but just because it isn't at the pace OnDoutside Jun 2016 #50

You clearly haven't been paying attention. cui bono Jun 2016 #85

Anyone objecting to the TPP is no better than Trump OnDoutside Jun 2016 #138

Anybody objecting to the attacks on labor, world wide mind you, nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #149

Moving "to the Left" you say? bvar22 Jun 2016 #162

Right now, the Democratic Party stands for war, fracking, Third Way slashing of social djean111 Jun 2016 #137

You have no proof of this so called election rigging. apcalc Jun 2016 #136

The drama is just amazing leftofcool Jun 2016 #11

kinda just proved the point she made. ciaobaby Jun 2016 #13

Drama Drama Drama jzodda Jun 2016 #15

After everything that has been said and everything you have heard, there is nothing more to say. Seeinghope Jun 2016 #42

Her lies are documented, have you not paid attention? cui bono Jun 2016 #43

Always Crickets. Does not pass through the frontal cortex of The Bubble. libdem4life Jun 2016 #71

You mean this? cui bono Jun 2016 #84

That's the one that came to mind. Thanks for the chuckle. He's such a libdem4life Jun 2016 #163

Because she's dishonest and deceitful. Fantastic Anarchist Jun 2016 #92

No, it's not. Hissyspit Jun 2016 #121

So go vote for the other side then. leftofcool Jun 2016 #125

Why would I vote for the other side? Hissyspit Jun 2016 #140

Who are you talking to? Is this a way to put some finality on something. upaloopa Jun 2016 #18

If you don't care and have nothing to say then Waiting For Everyman Jun 2016 #24

the purpose of DU is to support the party nominee. your call whether you do or not. nt msongs Jun 2016 #22

the purpose is to help get Democrats elected. highprincipleswork Jun 2016 #35

I'm old, white, liberal, female and disgusted too. Waiting For Everyman Jun 2016 #23

God Bless the Man and 840high Jun 2016 #36

Most certainly, 840. Waiting For Everyman Jun 2016 #40

Fallen icons. So many of them. Wednesdays Jun 2016 #41

Barbara Boxer ... Fantastic Anarchist Jun 2016 #95

John Lewis beltanefauve Jun 2016 #99

This primary pulled back the curtain - I no longer see us as a Democracy adigal Jun 2016 #75

Agreed. Very well said. Fantastic Anarchist Jun 2016 #94

Great post ! beltanefauve Jun 2016 #98

This is how I feel as well. While 2008 was far uglier, 2016 has been myrna minx Jun 2016 #122

i am with you. they do not see the potential land mines after summer. pansypoo53219 Jun 2016 #25

Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2016 #28

Have fun rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #29

The future is persistent ... It never stops coming Trajan Jun 2016 #32

Sigh BlindTiresias Jun 2016 #39

Bernie was 'this close', without much preparation before jumping headlong into the breach Trajan Jun 2016 #55

He wasn't really that close BlindTiresias Jun 2016 #64

The Democratic party is too entrenched with corporate welfare, and they have convinced adigal Jun 2016 #76

Superdelegates votes are worth more than citizens felix_numinous Jun 2016 #38

Hang in there Time for change Jun 2016 #45

I'm your same demographic lanlady Jun 2016 #46

Me too Happyhippychick Jun 2016 #51

This is a strong indictment of Bernie's candidacy auntpurl Jun 2016 #58

As soon as you called him "sanctimonious" I stopped reading adigal Jun 2016 #77

Oh, that was totally believable, LOL. Ino Jun 2016 #93

Well, I imagine you will be just ecstatic and thrilled with Hillary's penchant for djean111 Jun 2016 #142

The People jamese777 Jun 2016 #48

I'm old, white, female and liberal too dem in texas Jun 2016 #52

That's the spirit! Thank you! n/t VOX Jun 2016 #65

The Party Failed its duty RobertEarl Jun 2016 #53

K&R Zippyzagnut Jun 2016 #54

I am hoping that... coco77 Jun 2016 #59

That would just be the worst thing in the world, wouldn't it. boston bean Jun 2016 #61

If she is so ... coco77 Jun 2016 #63

I said that on Skinner's thread...will every legitimate concern about her be called Sexist? As it is adigal Jun 2016 #78

They are already running it in the ground... coco77 Jun 2016 #164

"I'm sick of being ostracized, criticized, belittled because of my position." ChisolmTrailDem Jun 2016 #67

There has always been tension between those who vote lovemydog Jun 2016 #118

It's been going on for much longer than this election cycle. Nice try though. nt ChisolmTrailDem Jun 2016 #143

You must be new nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #146

This message was self-deleted by its author The empressof all Jun 2016 #68

I agree with you Paper Roses. Worried senior Jun 2016 #69

I'm old, white, liberal, female and disgusted and I supported Hillary Whimsey Jun 2016 #70

Except athena Jun 2016 #144

I'm as old as I feel, white and so what, as liberal as I want, and I'm voting out the men. Period. MichiganVote Jun 2016 #72

I'm 54, white, liberal, female and also disgusted adigal Jun 2016 #73

Middle-aged, white, female, socialist... Lizzie Poppet Jun 2016 #74

Same. nt ncliberal Jun 2016 #81

Excellent article. Me, too. n/t Peregrine Took Jun 2016 #80

Their aversion to discuss policy and the insistence on arguing the inevitability of Hillary from day GoneFishin Jun 2016 #82

What do your age, race and gender have to do with anything? Corporate666 Jun 2016 #87

You are certainly not alone :) nt slipslidingaway Jun 2016 #100

response to Paper Roses 3hummingbirds Jun 2016 #101

Perhaps we can to to brunch on the 8th of November!!! Silver_Witch Jun 2016 #102

That makes two of us, PaperRoses! Glad to know you! George Eliot Jun 2016 #103

I'm middle-aged, white, male, and disgusted by your post. sentenza607 Jun 2016 #114

You must be from the Clinton unifying party ... slipslidingaway Jun 2016 #117

Those poor poor white males. They have it so bad leftofcool Jun 2016 #126

Don't know what you're talking about, don't really care sentenza607 Jun 2016 #153

You are expressing just what I was talking about in my original post. Paper Roses Jun 2016 #165

kickie, bumpie tomm2thumbs Jun 2016 #115

I have nothing against voting for Bernie in the primary. lovemydog Jun 2016 #116

You might "sleep in" in November? oberliner Jun 2016 #119

I do hope you will take some time off and reflect on the good of the country by November. riversedge Jun 2016 #130

We got close this time voteearlyvoteoften Jun 2016 #133

I am younger than you nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #147

+100 nt Duval Jun 2016 #155

too bad you can't see the hatred in your own post. and then there is the 'If Hillary won fair' MariaThinks Jun 2016 #152

I'll continue to support Bernie until then, also. Duval Jun 2016 #154

I'm a Hillary supporter and tired of the same thing treestar Jun 2016 #156

"Sleeping in' in Novemeber is supporting Trump. I do not respect that choice. nt TeamPooka Jun 2016 #161

Locking. Very sorry but meta discussion is not allowed in GDP. hrmjustin Jun 2016 #166