2016 Postmortem

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69. The borderline anti-Obama rhetoric and dismissal of cultural issues did him in.

Wed Jun 8, 2016, 02:46 PM

Jun 2016

The common perception is that that Bernie lost because people didn't know him. I knew exactly who he was. He'd been appearing on MSNBC for years and I found much of what he had to say offensive.

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Very few understand why Sanders lost. [View all] LiberalFighter Jun 2016 OP

He lost because he wrote off the minority vote in March. nt LexVegas Jun 2016 #1

Did not even contest the South...terrible mistake alcibiades_mystery Jun 2016 #4

The Halperin/Heilmann write-up of this election is going to be an interesting read brooklynite Jun 2016 #18

Personally I consider that duo a scam. LiberalFighter Jun 2016 #27

They both suck PJMcK Jun 2016 #33

As do I. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #34

Yup. The group LiberalFighter's calling "progressives" Hortensis Jun 2016 #51

He contested it strongly in South Carolina. thesquanderer Jun 2016 #59

Thread is over. Starry Messenger Jun 2016 #20

I think the minority vote wrote off any contender to HRC by 2014 aikoaiko Jun 2016 #28

IIRC Bernie was polling at like 25-35% among AAs in SC before the John Lewis disaster. forjusticethunders Jun 2016 #39

People were open until Sanders had someone who called Obama some form of nigger last year stump uponit7771 Jun 2016 #52

fair enough. I think there were things like that tuned off POC voters who were open. aikoaiko Jun 2016 #57

+1. Weaver and Divine OPENLY admitted they didn't compete in the "southern states" uponit7771 Jun 2016 #40

Bingo! That was Hillary's lead throughout the campaign brush Jun 2016 #58

Yeah, Weaver thought he knew better. joshcryer Jun 2016 #73

Not true at all TheFarseer Jun 2016 #85

This is false, Weaver and Divine both said on 2 different media calls they didn't compete in the... uponit7771 Jun 2016 #91

I see your point but TheFarseer Jun 2016 #93

They were lying. They did try. They just totally sucked at it. SunSeeker Jun 2016 #96

They didn't lie, we can see the money they spent in the "southern states" relative to the nothern uponit7771 Jun 2016 #97

They both lied for a month and a half that they could get the superdelegates , so...yeah. nt SunSeeker Jun 2016 #98

The subject here was about if they competed in the "southern states" and they didn't, they put uponit7771 Jun 2016 #99

They did compete. They just failed. Here's the link to the Maddow segment: SunSeeker Jun 2016 #100

"was increasing spending and staffing for those primary contests" Boom... yes, they were uponit7771 Jun 2016 #101

Sanders spent $1.73 million in SC, about the same as Hillary. SunSeeker Jun 2016 #107

SC is a southern STATE not state(S) uponit7771 Jun 2016 #108

The Democratic Party desperately needs such a grass roots effort between now and the Trust Buster Jun 2016 #2

He lost because there is a centrist party machine that has held the reins of power within The Party azurnoir Jun 2016 #3

Yep. In a nutshell Armstead Jun 2016 #9

Both of you IMO nailed it. n/t Triana Jun 2016 #47

The Democratic Party Proud Liberal Dem Jun 2016 #64

On some issues, yeah. On others not so much Armstead Jun 2016 #67

We can debate Proud Liberal Dem Jun 2016 #70

True. But, that is like saying the US has a better health pangaia Jun 2016 #78

lol pengu Jun 2016 #102

Look inside rather than always blaming others for your problems frazzled Jun 2016 #16

The problem is that anyone who does that becomes part of the machine that's the primary issue Fumesucker Jun 2016 #25

25 some years in Washington, oh he's part of the establisment machine all right . . . brush Jun 2016 #62

Face it. He lost because he got less votes. Its that simple. bullimiami Jun 2016 #19

The poster you responded to was explaining why he got less votes. No scheming, just facts. B Calm Jun 2016 #71

what I have notice is that it seems some Hillary supporters need to make this personal azurnoir Jun 2016 #75

It's a centrist nation realmirage Jun 2016 #55

I'd argue your second point is good, plus... Adrahil Jun 2016 #5

Degree is less important than intent and direction Armstead Jun 2016 #11

I would agree, and add auntpurl Jun 2016 #6

He lost because many people said he couldn't win, so they SamKnause Jun 2016 #7

Wonderful excuses. LanternWaste Jun 2016 #12

And so are your pronouncements. Waiting For Everyman Jun 2016 #14

All so true marions ghost Jun 2016 #17

Bullshit. He lost because he didn't appeal to enough voters. -nt- Lord Magus Jun 2016 #35

I generally find that a stopper is helpful in keeping your whine fresh... brooklynite Jun 2016 #56

Nah! He lost because he and his staff didn't think black and other POC voters . . . brush Jun 2016 #63

he lost because he never had a plan to win geek tragedy Jun 2016 #8

He lost because he joined a party just to get access to their resources. onehandle Jun 2016 #10

⬆⬆⬆ THIS ⬆⬆⬆ sums it up very well. NurseJackie Jun 2016 #21

but *NO ONE* was saying that when he announced to run as a Democrat. yodermon Jun 2016 #29

I'm saying that he shouldn't have started complaining about the rules he signed up for on day one. onehandle Jun 2016 #38

+1 uponit7771 Jun 2016 #41

you should be thanking him for not running indy. yodermon Jun 2016 #43

He never threatened to run third party. Only his supporters ever mention that threat. nt onehandle Jun 2016 #46

Maybe he should run as an indy. I'd vote for him.. jack_krass Jun 2016 #68

You are 100% correct. DawgHouse Jun 2016 #66

Even though he helped the Democrats for decades getting their legislation passed? They liked him Seeinghope Jun 2016 #76

No, Sanders 'lost' because of election fraud and a corrupt Establishment state-run media... TheProgressive Jun 2016 #13

Correct answer marions ghost Jun 2016 #15

More whining, the long shot black guy won with nearly same system Sanders lost with uponit7771 Jun 2016 #42

The monied interests were not against Obama. pangaia Jun 2016 #89

Wingerish CT, no basis in fact uponit7771 Jun 2016 #90

+1 FourScore Jun 2016 #74

He lost because his strategy focused on large crowds and rallies that I guess he hoped would Brickbat Jun 2016 #22

There aren't enough whites left in the Democratic party texstad79 Jun 2016 #23

He lost because he did not build a broad enough coalition Nonhlanhla Jun 2016 #24

"The core of the progressive movement in this country are People of Color, women, LGBTQ, and white.. uponit7771 Jun 2016 #45

Well said ^^^ n/t Blaukraut Jun 2016 #48

I'm pretending to recommend your comment so more people can see it. justiceischeap Jun 2016 #49

Precisely. Starry Messenger Jun 2016 #61

Yes Algernon Moncrieff Jun 2016 #26

Yes. Short term generally doesn't work. LiberalFighter Jun 2016 #30

He lost because the MSM ignored his existence while feeding the people large helpings of another. peace13 Jun 2016 #31

some common sense treestar Jun 2016 #32

Sanders himself lost, yes. The movement that coalesced around him is the future of the party yodermon Jun 2016 #36

yes! Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2016 #53

The movement is not so different to that around Hillary anigbrowl Jun 2016 #54

Progressives have been trying to win from the bottom. Orsino Jun 2016 #37

Build it from the bottom up? Tell it to dem leadership. CrispyQ Jun 2016 #44

Dem leadership seems more interested in recruiting Republicans to run as Democrats Beowulf Jun 2016 #86

Bad advisors, and not enough diversity among his advisors gollygee Jun 2016 #50

A thread full of people who assured us last year that he wouldn't win a single state Kentonio Jun 2016 #60

The"right places" - are you sure you're going to go with that? bettyellen Jun 2016 #65

The borderline anti-Obama rhetoric and dismissal of cultural issues did him in. ecstatic Jun 2016 #69

He also lost because we don't have a democracy. Stevepol Jun 2016 #72

But, he didn't lose. He won. pangaia Jun 2016 #77

That's right! He won a great victory for the movement and the message. nt wiggs Jun 2016 #88

"America has lefties but no left." Garrett78 Jun 2016 #79

He lost because the election was stolen by a thousand cuts earthmanneil Jun 2016 #80

a thousand cuts is an excellent analogy... Raster Jun 2016 #81

+1 n/t Smarmie Doofus Jun 2016 #103

"He lost because progressives tried to win by starting at the top." <--- Boom, there it is. apnu Jun 2016 #82

he lost because Hillary got more votes Botany Jun 2016 #83

He lost cause he invested in large rallies & tv ads rather than registering/organizing voters KittyWampus Jun 2016 #84

We have now had back-to-back primaries where African-Americans and other people of color Tarc Jun 2016 #87

+1 uponit7771 Jun 2016 #92

You damn right. Number23 Jun 2016 #95

People who say Bernie wrote off from the start are incorrect SheenaR Jun 2016 #94

He lost because the establishment cheated pengu Jun 2016 #104

I am sure the cheating by the entire Democratic Party infrastructure had nothing to do with it. GoneFishin Jun 2016 #105

in Shirer's "Rise/fall of 3rd reich" there was a note pretzel4gore Jun 2016 #106

He lost because of massive voter suppression and election fraud Time for change Jun 2016 #109