2016 Postmortem

Warren DeMontague

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113. Interesting that you talk about how we had these difficult votes- Nelson, Lieberman, Lincoln etc

Thu Jun 9, 2016, 02:12 AM

Jun 2016

You know who isn't on that list, despite all the noise about "not a real Democrat!". Who would have been a reliable vote for any progressive legislation?

Yeah, you do.

Leaders wrangle votes. I watched the HBO LBJ movie, and for all the guy's flaws... well, I hope Hillary has some of that pragmatic toughness once she gets to the oval office.

The ACA was a signature achievement- I've said as much- although we should have had the public option we were repeatedly promised.

But I expect more from my leaders, that's why I'm a progressive. I was pushing for marriage equality when the same crowd that now makes "420" jokes over cannabis legalization was telling our Gay and Lesbian citizens not to "demand a pony".

That's how we move forward, by expecting more from those who claim the mantle of leadership. I'm not going to apologize for that.

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I'm old, white, liberal, female and disgusted. [View all] Paper Roses Jun 2016 OP

there were plenty of valid reasons to support Sanders over Clinton. geek tragedy Jun 2016 #1

K&R PJMcK Jun 2016 #27

It would be nice to have some progressives to ... Fantastic Anarchist Jun 2016 #86

Congress will almost certainly be more conservative than Clinton. geek tragedy Jun 2016 #88

Liberal in some cases, not so liberal in others. Fantastic Anarchist Jun 2016 #90

the measure was usually e 60th more liberal Senator and 218th most liberal geek tragedy Jun 2016 #91

We actually had a filibuster proof majority at the beginning of Obama's first term. Warren DeMontague Jun 2016 #105

Not until June 7, when Franken was finally sworn in. geek tragedy Jun 2016 #107

7 months, they couldnt do anything. Warren DeMontague Jun 2016 #109

Yes, autocorrect. geek tragedy Jun 2016 #111

Interesting that you talk about how we had these difficult votes- Nelson, Lieberman, Lincoln etc Warren DeMontague Jun 2016 #113

Lieberman was not a Democrat anymore, and withheld his vote pnwmom Jun 2016 #160

Kennedy died August 25th. So it was only 79 days. And how often was Kennedy well enough to vote? n/t ieoeja Jun 2016 #151

The Democrats could have fixed the filibuster rules fasttense Jun 2016 #132

Democrats are using the filibuster these days. geek tragedy Jun 2016 #134

Kennedy died August 25th. So it was only 79 days. And how often was Kennedy well enough to vote? n/t ieoeja Jun 2016 #150

Joe Lieberman was part of that majority, and he was then an independent, pnwmom Jun 2016 #159

Yeah, and a lot of people are still rightly pissed about the non-stop shit that was thrown at us for Warren DeMontague Jun 2016 #104

I have to smile every time I read Sanders supporters complaining geek tragedy Jun 2016 #106

Sure, because according to the all powerful narrative, we're the bad ones. Warren DeMontague Jun 2016 #108

Hey, the group of people who polluted this place geek tragedy Jun 2016 #110

Right, the constant conflation of vocal criticism with abuse. Warren DeMontague Jun 2016 #112

you know that Sanders fans made up the "Brock hiring trolls" stuff, right? geek tragedy Jun 2016 #123

Yeah, okay. And how about all the craptasticly offensive posts from Hill folk? Warren DeMontague Jun 2016 #127

primary season turns people into feral assholes. dog bites man nt geek tragedy Jun 2016 #128

Yeah, I managed to make it through w/o calling people cute nasty names or accusing them of being Warren DeMontague Jun 2016 #129

Some of us had our identity denied nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #145

Fer Christ's sake, give it up. Major Hogwash Jun 2016 #124

I don't even know what that means. Warren DeMontague Jun 2016 #131

Says the person with 10 hides. bvar22 Jun 2016 #157

You might find this article of interest.... Land of Enchantment Jun 2016 #2

The system is clearly rigged to support the Establishment and not the People. rhett o rick Jun 2016 #8

Thank you! At least some of the media is taking notice. senz Jun 2016 #9

You do realize how hurtful the picture of Buzz cook Jun 2016 #14

Hurtful to whom? It states a political/economic reality. senz Jun 2016 #16

I too pretend my opinions are reality. Bias suits us well LanternWaste Jun 2016 #30

There is no parallels MFM008 Jun 2016 #49

That is so true as to not have to be stated. 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2016 #79

Weren't you the one just yesterday racing around DU screaming that she couldn't be the Number23 Jun 2016 #83

Thank you nt Buzz cook Jun 2016 #96

No it does not. They are nowhere close in any way shape or form. apcalc Jun 2016 #135

Here. Read this in the spirit of self-understanding. senz Jun 2016 #19

toughen up buttercup elehhhhna Jun 2016 #26

You and your supporters have been disrespecting Bernie for Lord knows how long, desmiller Jun 2016 #34

Well reasoned article. JudyM Jun 2016 #31

^^^ This ^^^ senz Jun 2016 #47

This is patently false vdogg Jun 2016 #56

... She would not have had that margin without the complicity of AP. JudyM Jun 2016 #57

Lol vdogg Jun 2016 #60

But that is not what the poster is "telling" you. Fantastic Anarchist Jun 2016 #89

Nice straw men, but the band wagon effect is well known nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #148

Oh, FFS! Will you people JUST ONCE do some math? This is ridiculous. Those 107 SD's weren't Squinch Jun 2016 #62

Already answered before you posted your FFS. JudyM Jun 2016 #66

SMH. So much ridiculous. Squinch Jun 2016 #139

Nothing but a Sanders lancer78 Jun 2016 #120

Sanders is bringing a lot of people like us to the convention. Orsino Jun 2016 #3

They will not ignore them. RoccoR5955 Jun 2016 #33

What? Not a funny joke in a democracy at an open convention. The Wielding Truth Jun 2016 #141

Does not matter BlindTiresias Jun 2016 #37

Hope so!!! n/t BlancheSplanchnik Jun 2016 #97

I old, white, liberal, female and disgusted Faux pas Jun 2016 #4

I hope you'll join us in helping to defeat Trump . NurseJackie Jun 2016 #5

I'm with you, sister. senz Jun 2016 #6

Agree except that Hillary did NOT win fair and square. Not by a long shot. cui bono Jun 2016 #7

Thanks! Was so happy to see the OP that I overlooked this crucial point. senz Jun 2016 #10

Amen. My point exactly.....nt Land of Enchantment Jun 2016 #17

Still delusional. And you wonder why that word used! upaloopa Jun 2016 #20

Another Hill fan personal insult? Try arguing your case, upaloopa. senz Jun 2016 #21

Another Hill fan with 11 hides, bvar22 Jun 2016 #158

Completely agree. It was outrageous. Waiting For Everyman Jun 2016 #44

Thanks - well put - couldn't agree more. ciaobaby Jun 2016 #12

That's just a silly post. The Dems have and are moving left, but just because it isn't at the pace OnDoutside Jun 2016 #50

You clearly haven't been paying attention. cui bono Jun 2016 #85

Anyone objecting to the TPP is no better than Trump OnDoutside Jun 2016 #138

Anybody objecting to the attacks on labor, world wide mind you, nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #149

Moving "to the Left" you say? bvar22 Jun 2016 #162

Right now, the Democratic Party stands for war, fracking, Third Way slashing of social djean111 Jun 2016 #137

You have no proof of this so called election rigging. apcalc Jun 2016 #136

The drama is just amazing leftofcool Jun 2016 #11

kinda just proved the point she made. ciaobaby Jun 2016 #13

Drama Drama Drama jzodda Jun 2016 #15

After everything that has been said and everything you have heard, there is nothing more to say. Seeinghope Jun 2016 #42

Her lies are documented, have you not paid attention? cui bono Jun 2016 #43

Always Crickets. Does not pass through the frontal cortex of The Bubble. libdem4life Jun 2016 #71

You mean this? cui bono Jun 2016 #84

That's the one that came to mind. Thanks for the chuckle. He's such a libdem4life Jun 2016 #163

Because she's dishonest and deceitful. Fantastic Anarchist Jun 2016 #92

No, it's not. Hissyspit Jun 2016 #121

So go vote for the other side then. leftofcool Jun 2016 #125

Why would I vote for the other side? Hissyspit Jun 2016 #140

Who are you talking to? Is this a way to put some finality on something. upaloopa Jun 2016 #18

If you don't care and have nothing to say then Waiting For Everyman Jun 2016 #24

the purpose of DU is to support the party nominee. your call whether you do or not. nt msongs Jun 2016 #22

the purpose is to help get Democrats elected. highprincipleswork Jun 2016 #35

I'm old, white, liberal, female and disgusted too. Waiting For Everyman Jun 2016 #23

God Bless the Man and 840high Jun 2016 #36

Most certainly, 840. Waiting For Everyman Jun 2016 #40

Fallen icons. So many of them. Wednesdays Jun 2016 #41

Barbara Boxer ... Fantastic Anarchist Jun 2016 #95

John Lewis beltanefauve Jun 2016 #99

This primary pulled back the curtain - I no longer see us as a Democracy adigal Jun 2016 #75

Agreed. Very well said. Fantastic Anarchist Jun 2016 #94

Great post ! beltanefauve Jun 2016 #98

This is how I feel as well. While 2008 was far uglier, 2016 has been myrna minx Jun 2016 #122

i am with you. they do not see the potential land mines after summer. pansypoo53219 Jun 2016 #25

Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2016 #28

Have fun rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #29

The future is persistent ... It never stops coming Trajan Jun 2016 #32

Sigh BlindTiresias Jun 2016 #39

Bernie was 'this close', without much preparation before jumping headlong into the breach Trajan Jun 2016 #55

He wasn't really that close BlindTiresias Jun 2016 #64

The Democratic party is too entrenched with corporate welfare, and they have convinced adigal Jun 2016 #76

Superdelegates votes are worth more than citizens felix_numinous Jun 2016 #38

Hang in there Time for change Jun 2016 #45

I'm your same demographic lanlady Jun 2016 #46

Me too Happyhippychick Jun 2016 #51

This is a strong indictment of Bernie's candidacy auntpurl Jun 2016 #58

As soon as you called him "sanctimonious" I stopped reading adigal Jun 2016 #77

Oh, that was totally believable, LOL. Ino Jun 2016 #93

Well, I imagine you will be just ecstatic and thrilled with Hillary's penchant for djean111 Jun 2016 #142

The People jamese777 Jun 2016 #48

I'm old, white, female and liberal too dem in texas Jun 2016 #52

That's the spirit! Thank you! n/t VOX Jun 2016 #65

The Party Failed its duty RobertEarl Jun 2016 #53

K&R Zippyzagnut Jun 2016 #54

I am hoping that... coco77 Jun 2016 #59

That would just be the worst thing in the world, wouldn't it. boston bean Jun 2016 #61

If she is so ... coco77 Jun 2016 #63

I said that on Skinner's thread...will every legitimate concern about her be called Sexist? As it is adigal Jun 2016 #78

They are already running it in the ground... coco77 Jun 2016 #164

"I'm sick of being ostracized, criticized, belittled because of my position." ChisolmTrailDem Jun 2016 #67

There has always been tension between those who vote lovemydog Jun 2016 #118

It's been going on for much longer than this election cycle. Nice try though. nt ChisolmTrailDem Jun 2016 #143

You must be new nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #146

This message was self-deleted by its author The empressof all Jun 2016 #68

I agree with you Paper Roses. Worried senior Jun 2016 #69

I'm old, white, liberal, female and disgusted and I supported Hillary Whimsey Jun 2016 #70

Except athena Jun 2016 #144

I'm as old as I feel, white and so what, as liberal as I want, and I'm voting out the men. Period. MichiganVote Jun 2016 #72

I'm 54, white, liberal, female and also disgusted adigal Jun 2016 #73

Middle-aged, white, female, socialist... Lizzie Poppet Jun 2016 #74

Same. nt ncliberal Jun 2016 #81

Excellent article. Me, too. n/t Peregrine Took Jun 2016 #80

Their aversion to discuss policy and the insistence on arguing the inevitability of Hillary from day GoneFishin Jun 2016 #82

What do your age, race and gender have to do with anything? Corporate666 Jun 2016 #87

You are certainly not alone :) nt slipslidingaway Jun 2016 #100

response to Paper Roses 3hummingbirds Jun 2016 #101

Perhaps we can to to brunch on the 8th of November!!! Silver_Witch Jun 2016 #102

That makes two of us, PaperRoses! Glad to know you! George Eliot Jun 2016 #103

I'm middle-aged, white, male, and disgusted by your post. sentenza607 Jun 2016 #114

You must be from the Clinton unifying party ... slipslidingaway Jun 2016 #117

Those poor poor white males. They have it so bad leftofcool Jun 2016 #126

Don't know what you're talking about, don't really care sentenza607 Jun 2016 #153

You are expressing just what I was talking about in my original post. Paper Roses Jun 2016 #165

kickie, bumpie tomm2thumbs Jun 2016 #115

I have nothing against voting for Bernie in the primary. lovemydog Jun 2016 #116

You might "sleep in" in November? oberliner Jun 2016 #119

I do hope you will take some time off and reflect on the good of the country by November. riversedge Jun 2016 #130

We got close this time voteearlyvoteoften Jun 2016 #133

I am younger than you nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #147

+100 nt Duval Jun 2016 #155

too bad you can't see the hatred in your own post. and then there is the 'If Hillary won fair' MariaThinks Jun 2016 #152

I'll continue to support Bernie until then, also. Duval Jun 2016 #154

I'm a Hillary supporter and tired of the same thing treestar Jun 2016 #156

"Sleeping in' in Novemeber is supporting Trump. I do not respect that choice. nt TeamPooka Jun 2016 #161

Locking. Very sorry but meta discussion is not allowed in GDP. hrmjustin Jun 2016 #166