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In reply to the discussion: Newly released FBI documents shows Petraeus disclosures less damaging than Clinton emails [View all]Gothmog
(145,086 posts)104. "Some Or All" Of Clinton Emails Designated SAP Referenced Public Information About U.S. Drone Strike
These charges are really funny. The so call beyond top secret information is material in news reports http://www.politico.com/story/2016/01/hillary-clinton-email-server-top-secret-217985
The official, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said some or all of the emails deemed to implicate special access programs related to U.S. drone strikes. Those who sent the emails were not involved in directing or approving the strikes, but responded to the fallout from them, the official said.
The information in the emails was not obtained through a classified product, but is considered per se classified because it pertains to drones, the official added. The U.S. treats drone operations conducted by the CIA as classified, even though in a 2012 internet chat Presidential Barack Obama acknowledged U.S.-directed drone strikes in Pakistan.
The source noted that the intelligence community considers information about classified operations to be classified even if it appears in news reports or is apparent to eyewitnesses on the ground. For example, U.S. officials with security clearances have been warned not to access classified information leaked to WikiLeaks and published in the New York Times.
Even though things are in the public domain, they still retain their classification level, the official said. The ICIG maintains its position that its still codeword classified.
The State Department is likely to persist in its contention that some information the intelligence community claimed was top secret because it related to North Korean nuclear tests was actually the product of parallel reporting that did not rely on classified intelligence products and so should not be treated as highly classified, the official said.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/01/hillary-clinton-email-server-top-secret-217985#ixzz3xvQpGCwW
The information in the emails was not obtained through a classified product, but is considered per se classified because it pertains to drones, the official added. The U.S. treats drone operations conducted by the CIA as classified, even though in a 2012 internet chat Presidential Barack Obama acknowledged U.S.-directed drone strikes in Pakistan.
The source noted that the intelligence community considers information about classified operations to be classified even if it appears in news reports or is apparent to eyewitnesses on the ground. For example, U.S. officials with security clearances have been warned not to access classified information leaked to WikiLeaks and published in the New York Times.
Even though things are in the public domain, they still retain their classification level, the official said. The ICIG maintains its position that its still codeword classified.
The State Department is likely to persist in its contention that some information the intelligence community claimed was top secret because it related to North Korean nuclear tests was actually the product of parallel reporting that did not rely on classified intelligence products and so should not be treated as highly classified, the official said.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/01/hillary-clinton-email-server-top-secret-217985#ixzz3xvQpGCwW
E-mails discussing material in the Washington Post are not top secret or SAP.
Thank you for the laughs
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Newly released FBI documents shows Petraeus disclosures less damaging than Clinton emails [View all]
leveymg
Jun 2016
OP
It worked for Richard Bruce Cheney et. al. and now you embrace it too-how sickening.
bobthedrummer
Jun 2016
#121
It is sickening that people , wittingly or unwittingly, enable Trump.
DemocratSinceBirth
Jun 2016
#131
To some extent .. but if someone is posting negative article after negative article
SFnomad
Jun 2016
#30
No, this is the speculation of a layperson who does not understand the legal concepts
Gothmog
Jun 2016
#66
No I specifically left the definition of layperson in my previous reply to you.
Separation
Jun 2016
#140
One poster who has been beating beating this dead horse has already been flagged.
DemocratSinceBirth
Jun 2016
#33
She can't be "exonerated." The State Dept has already found she broke dozens of regulations. The
leveymg
Jun 2016
#67
I started to compile a list when the IG report came out, but didn't get even half way through.
leveymg
Jun 2016
#134
This has nothing to do with Sanders...it has everything to do with the Dem Party...
tex-wyo-dem
Jun 2016
#71
Still a lot of bitter sore losers ... guess it will take a while to get over it n/t
SFnomad
Jun 2016
#159
With 2,200 classified emails over an uncertified server, including 22 TS-SAP, that is not damaging?
leveymg
Jun 2016
#7
It was released by unauthorized people in emails to her. It was a felony for HRC to not report them.
leveymg
Jun 2016
#13
Yup! Hillary had a legal obligation to fill out spillage reports on quite a few emails
NWCorona
Jun 2016
#17
We've been through this before, you can site code section over & over, doesn't make it a violation.
Hoyt
Jun 2016
#18
Please ask your interlocutor why he won't accept my "loser leaves DU" wager.
DemocratSinceBirth
Jun 2016
#26
The acts fit the statute cited. The facts are well-known. She violated the law.
leveymg
Jun 2016
#29
You guys' interpretation of law and circumstances are wrong. I get how badly you want it to be true.
Hoyt
Jun 2016
#49
So how are those "guys'" interpretations wrong? Maybe you could be more specific...nt
tex-wyo-dem
Jun 2016
#54
Read law, but not looking for a way to pin something on Clinton. My guess, Obama would not endorse
Hoyt
Jun 2016
#111
You just keep getting wilder with BS. Read what poster told you below -- No Intent, No Indictment.
Hoyt
Jun 2016
#115
I've said for a long time that I don't expect DOJ to actually indict her. I do believe the FBI
leveymg
Jun 2016
#93
"Some Or All" Of Clinton Emails Designated SAP Referenced Public Information About U.S. Drone Strike
Gothmog
Jun 2016
#104
Actually, if you read the FBI warrant application, she had a security clearance, and she was author-
leveymg
Jun 2016
#23
I read the issue with providing classified information to his lover (security clearance or not)
DCBob
Jun 2016
#27
It doesn't really matter if either of you guys stay or go. The larger questions are:
jonno99
Jun 2016
#52
His AG, Loretta Lynch, will not indict now, even if the FBI recommends it to her.
amandabeech
Jun 2016
#96
I'm not sure if the President can pardon absent a trial or even an indictment.
amandabeech
Jun 2016
#107
The Presidential power of pardon is part of his Article II powers. He can pardon anyone, some argue
leveymg
Jun 2016
#112
1) your headline is FAKE 2) and as usual your "spin" doesn't match the article.
emulatorloo
Jun 2016
#39
This isn't LBN. It's analysis of a news article and a document. I didn't "fake" anything.
leveymg
Jun 2016
#73
Of course this isn't LBN. Doesn't make your headline any less fake. Nor does it make
emulatorloo
Jun 2016
#89
We already know a vast number of facts the FBI will confirm because the State Dept, CIA and NSA have
leveymg
Jun 2016
#95
The stuff under the *** doesn't appear in the article at all...interesting.
sharp_stick
Jun 2016
#61
Pathetic. Why is it that you can't point to a single factual assertion that is any way in error?
leveymg
Jun 2016
#83
honestly, projecting "reading comprehension issues" on to others is not a winner for you.
emulatorloo
Jun 2016
#101
As I continue to say, if you have a problem with facts, correct me. Since you don't, that's telling
leveymg
Jun 2016
#108
Your article guts and disproves your amusing theory on the need for culpable mental state
Gothmog
Jun 2016
#68
Well, I guess I'm safe then. The FBI report certainly won't "clear her of any illegal
leveymg
Jun 2016
#98
Your analysis is totally wrong yet again-this article guts your theory that no mens rea is required
Gothmog
Jun 2016
#53
Petraeus was convicted of violating Sec. 1924, which requires specific intent. He was charged w/793
leveymg
Jun 2016
#77
The Libertarian candidate for vice president and former director of the criminal division of ...
DemocratSinceBirth
Jun 2016
#78
When all you have is an animus toward Hillary Clinton and a failed candidate the whole world....
DemocratSinceBirth
Jun 2016
#90
The Espionage Act is not a strict liability law and so no indictment will be forthcoming
Gothmog
Jun 2016
#97
That is entirely about Sec. 1924, which requires intent, but in Sec. 793 "gross negligence" applies
leveymg
Jun 2016
#123
Again, the officials who actually decide these issues disagree with your vox.com "expert"
leveymg
Jun 2016
#129
I'll repeat what I said to a couple people above. This isn't LBN, it's analysis of an FBI document
leveymg
Jun 2016
#79
so did that woman who slept with Petraeus steal the recording? Article says he recorded it and it wa
Sunlei
Jun 2016
#63
Wall street crimes are a boogeyman, single payer is a unicorn, & FBI investigations involve a fairy.
think
Jun 2016
#106
+1 I'm never buying into that NEW DEMOCRAT/Clinton cult again, Voice for Peace
bobthedrummer
Jun 2016
#120
No actual damage isn't a defense under the Espionage Act. Those who raised it were convicted.
leveymg
Jun 2016
#133
I understand your point on the DUI. That's true, it's against the law to drive under the influence.
napi21
Jun 2016
#139
It is against the law, however, to place classified information on an uncertified server.
leveymg
Jun 2016
#158
I've been here a decade longer than you, and fully intend to remain for another decade. Delete yours
leveymg
Jun 2016
#138
Welcome to the Brave New World of blogging. No ink-stained wretches, just greasy keys,
leveymg
Jun 2016
#147
So you think the emails about drone strikes were the only ones on her server?
pdsimdars
Jun 2016
#165