2016 Postmortem

auntpurl

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141. Plus the redistricting/gerrymandering thing

Fri Jun 10, 2016, 11:11 AM

Jun 2016

although I admit I don't understand that issue as well as I should. My understanding is that it could change in 2018? 2020?

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Being apathetic towards a bigot getting elected = White privilege? [View all] qdouble Jun 2016 OP

What about being apathetic about political and corporate corruption? Shame on you think Jun 2016 #1

But it IS about race for people who are POC! auntpurl Jun 2016 #2

Bill encouraged Trump to run. Please don't try to make excuses for this. Good grief... think Jun 2016 #6

You sure about that? moriah Jun 2016 #122

I don't believe Bill. 840high Jun 2016 #157

But you believe Trump? moriah Jun 2016 #170

Why is Trump always brought 840high Jun 2016 #185

Because this was specifically Bill's word vs Donald Trump's? moriah Jun 2016 #189

So, because I am not a POC, I can't have my own concerns? Matt_in_STL Jun 2016 #36

It isn't about those issues being non important... qdouble Jun 2016 #55

Well said. auntpurl Jun 2016 #56

It has nothing to do with privilege as much as it does about having principles Matt_in_STL Jun 2016 #61

White democrats are more likely to have a less positive view of the future than POC and also qdouble Jun 2016 #68

The unemployment rate is not a great example. Matt_in_STL Jun 2016 #77

I think you're mistaking what the article was implying. qdouble Jun 2016 #81

They have seen worse times, and by the numbers, it was during this presidency Matt_in_STL Jun 2016 #83

To say say... qdouble Jun 2016 #91

I admit I limited my discussion to the Great Recession timeframe Matt_in_STL Jun 2016 #93

I don't think most people expected Obama to specifically make a lot of legislation just for qdouble Jun 2016 #97

Of course you can have your own concerns. auntpurl Jun 2016 #58

You assume they will be any better under Hillary. Matt_in_STL Jun 2016 #65

Uh, even if you're right, ZERO is better than actively hunting them FFS! nt auntpurl Jun 2016 #66

Do you honestly think Trump would actively hunt POC and that anyone will let him? Matt_in_STL Jun 2016 #69

We have to take Trump at his word. We obviously can't predict exactly what he'll do because he's qdouble Jun 2016 #72

Again, I think Trump is an absolute trainwreck (and not convinced he'll be the candidate). Matt_in_STL Jun 2016 #82

I understand your position and why you may not like Hillary... qdouble Jun 2016 #85

Again, a non-vote for Hillary is not a vote for Trump Matt_in_STL Jun 2016 #87

That you think having someone who Bernie says has a "platform of bigotry" to be one of qdouble Jun 2016 #94

And I have things that are terrifying to me Matt_in_STL Jun 2016 #101

So you're acknowledging that a white nationalist becoming president isn't terrifying to you? qdouble Jun 2016 #103

I'm not saying that at all, but again, it isn't the only issue I am voting on. Matt_in_STL Jun 2016 #105

I think you've made it pretty clear where you stand and I'm not hating on you... qdouble Jun 2016 #109

Trump can't do anything on his own. He does 840high Jun 2016 #158

It's not just Trump himself, or the presidency auntpurl Jun 2016 #75

Exactly. The biggest problem with Trump winning on that platform is not that congress will let him qdouble Jun 2016 #99

It's already started happening. auntpurl Jun 2016 #132

You're missing the argument entirely. I haven't posited that Hillary is the best possible choice for qdouble Jun 2016 #70

Exactly CorkySt.Clair Jun 2016 #228

It is about race if you think those are the only issues that matter. qdouble Jun 2016 #7

The Clintons hung out with that bigot. They went to his wedding. They golfed with him think Jun 2016 #16

That's bullshit. LWolf Jun 2016 #191

A bigot being elected is an immediate danger to minorities qdouble Jun 2016 #192

And a neo-liberal being elected is a long-term danger. LWolf Jun 2016 #198

Trump is a bigger immediate and long-term danger than Hillary, the man is unhinged. qdouble Jun 2016 #199

Yes and no. LWolf Jun 2016 #200

Yes, surely him filling the court with right-wingers won't be a bigger long term detriment qdouble Jun 2016 #209

That's nice. seriously, I know people afraid to walk down msanthrope Jun 2016 #8

Wall Street greed cost millions of Americans their jobs and their homes. Doesn't that matter? think Jun 2016 #12

Sure....but losing your life, and losing your home? Which do you think is the priority? nt msanthrope Jun 2016 #17

Thanks for giving us such a wonderful candidate that that's the kind of response you must think Jun 2016 #19

Welcome to reality. Luckily, both 44 and 45 care about both. Trump, not fuck-all. nt msanthrope Jun 2016 #22

My husband grew up in one of the poorest barrios in Tucson dbackjon Jun 2016 #188

Trump has made it about race. NCTraveler Jun 2016 #14

Who's the one encouraged this monster to run? Who went to his wedding? Who goes golfing think Jun 2016 #30

Not even a solid lecture. NCTraveler Jun 2016 #42

Bullshit! Trump is a racist and Bill still chose to call him up and encourage him to run think Jun 2016 #47

No stupid games or bullshit here. NCTraveler Jun 2016 #51

.that^ 840high Jun 2016 #156

People insulated by privilege from the consequences of apathy often do msanthrope Jun 2016 #3

+1! apnu Jun 2016 #4

Priviledge is having your former president husband encourage assholes like Trump to run. think Jun 2016 #10

I think you fail to appreciate the genius of Bill Clinton. Trump is like any other Republican... msanthrope Jun 2016 #15

People have never had an excuse for apathy about the GOP Armstead Jun 2016 #71

Yeah, well, unless people get involved in the down ballot races... None of that changes. msanthrope Jun 2016 #125

You can't ascribe that to particular candidates Armstead Jun 2016 #127

this is pretty much off-topic qdouble Jun 2016 #24

No. This is right on topic. Priviledge allows one to golf with a bigot & act like it's no big deal. think Jun 2016 #35

I hope you don't work with anyone who might be a bigot Blue_Adept Jun 2016 #73

I'm self employed, but of course I'd consider leaving a company if I had to work with an openly qdouble Jun 2016 #76

"A BRIEF HISTORY OF DONALD TRUMP AND BILL CLINTON�S FRIENDSHIP" think Jun 2016 #80

Politics makes strange bedfellows Blue_Adept Jun 2016 #84

So Bernie supporters who don't vote for Hillary are guilty of white privilege but Bill golfing with think Jun 2016 #92

I said zero about white privilege Blue_Adept Jun 2016 #95

Sorry. You're in a thread about Bernie supporters being accused of white privilege. Perhaps you think Jun 2016 #98

When the fuck was Trump a politician getting shit done? Other than hanging with Bill and Hill Autumn Jun 2016 #206

I was talking in a far more general sense of how politics used to work Blue_Adept Jun 2016 #212

I don't yell. But one thing for sure, when it come's to T rump I'm gonna be a fucking purist Autumn Jun 2016 #216

when you reply to someone with half a dozen fuck this and fuck that Blue_Adept Jun 2016 #219

I don't care how you perceive me but re read your post, I responded to what you said. Autumn Jun 2016 #220

+1 uponit7771 Jun 2016 #117

Just look at how happy 840high Jun 2016 #159

Trump doesn't pose an existential threat to them, so they could afford to let a bigot win just qdouble Jun 2016 #13

Well.....what I find amusing, and disgusting, is the scorn of incremental progress msanthrope Jun 2016 #20

+1 uponit7771 Jun 2016 #115

On our side its all about anger which will lessen jzodda Jun 2016 #5

BOB-ing for tragedy. Hateful, self-destructive anvils around our ankles. randome Jun 2016 #9

Part of the problem is that it appears most minorities shunned Bernie Sander's. peace13 Jun 2016 #11

Bernie made the main focus of his campaign the economy and corruption... qdouble Jun 2016 #18

Equal pay and jobs, OK. peace13 Jun 2016 #34

This goes back to black voters being more pragmatic than whites in regards to politics... qdouble Jun 2016 #48

Forgetting of course about Bill filling the prisons with Black youngsters... peace13 Jun 2016 #57

+1, "...For black people in particular, the economy has never been fair.." uponit7771 Jun 2016 #118

Clinton's actions have hurt POC. Watch these videos Ash_F Jun 2016 #21

You should post this is the AA group. nt msanthrope Jun 2016 #25

I am sure those videos are there somewhere. Ash_F Jun 2016 #26

You should definitely start a new thread. These are important, right? nt msanthrope Jun 2016 #38

How about you not tell me what to do? Ash_F Jun 2016 #40

Touchy about your truth, aren't we? nt msanthrope Jun 2016 #45

No, I just don't like the way you approached me. Ash_F Jun 2016 #46

Oh....I'm not bothering to watch them. nt msanthrope Jun 2016 #50

Really? I saw the first one on DU years before Clinton announced. Ash_F Jun 2016 #53

No. I assume that PoC who voted for Clinton knew what they were doing. Apparently msanthrope Jun 2016 #67

People can vote their conscious Ash_F Jun 2016 #147

I think a lot of those arguments against the Clintons are spurious...i.e. faulting them for things qdouble Jun 2016 #151

This is rich! peace13 Jun 2016 #39

What do you mean, can't see it? I read the AA forum everyday. Don't you? nt msanthrope Jun 2016 #43

I expect that all topics of importance can be posted where the largest number of users .... peace13 Jun 2016 #52

It's off topic. Foreign policy is a messy arena... whether or not you think Clinton is responsible qdouble Jun 2016 #29

I am just saying this argument rings hollow to me, knowing what I know. Ash_F Jun 2016 #33

No the only thing relevant.... peace13 Jun 2016 #62

.+1 840high Jun 2016 #160

I'm apathetic on the entire general election davidn3600 Jun 2016 #23

I would turn it around. The vast majority of people who support AntiBank Jun 2016 #27

Your rebuttal is off-topic. I've made no arguments about whether or not Clinton is better than qdouble Jun 2016 #31

my rebuttal is completely germane. You are trying to throw racially overtoned shade on AntiBank Jun 2016 #49

I'm only taking issue with Bernie or Busters, not Bernie supporters, so please don't take qdouble Jun 2016 #64

My main problem (not with you after your explanation, thanks for that) is that so so AntiBank Jun 2016 #74

Because there are trolls out there, sometimes it's hard to tell if a person is a genuine Bernie qdouble Jun 2016 #78

for me at least it is so easy to spot the difference, they never offer constructive, well thought AntiBank Jun 2016 #86

I definitely think the BOB movement is about privilege gollygee Jun 2016 #28

+1 qdouble Jun 2016 #37

Beautifully put gollygee Jun 2016 #44

Very well put. auntpurl Jun 2016 #79

+1 uponit7771 Jun 2016 #120

It's not just that they're apathetic - they don't even seem to acknowledge it exists. baldguy Jun 2016 #32

Indeed. For a black person who has a lower chance of getting a job or loan simply because of the qdouble Jun 2016 #41

What? Oh wow. Look, racism existed before economies but not before tribalism evolved out of JCanete Jun 2016 #90

The state of the economy and the state of racism aren't really directly connected in any meaningful qdouble Jun 2016 #96

okay, that wasn't what my post said. I didn't say the state of economy affected racism. I said JCanete Jun 2016 #106

I mean, I get where you are going and I don't necessarily disagree with you... qdouble Jun 2016 #110

Thanks for the conversation! I'll grant that not all posts about Bernie or Bust were in good faith JCanete Jun 2016 #171

I can understand the feeling of being left to pick between two shitty candidates. However, I think qdouble Jun 2016 #173

As far as my vote goes I am voting for the hope of a decent judiciary. gordianot Jun 2016 #221

+1 uponit7771 Jun 2016 #121

^^^This!^^^ Surya Gayatri Jun 2016 #54

Oh well.. coco77 Jun 2016 #59

Maybe you could have... listened? Jester Messiah Jun 2016 #60

Thanks for the completely off-topic post. Obviously, Clinton voters think she will beat Trump. qdouble Jun 2016 #100

3 out of 4 Republicans don't see Trump on judge racist Protalker Jun 2016 #63

+1 uponit7771 Jun 2016 #123

Oh no, not this shit again. NaturalHigh Jun 2016 #88

If Hillary can't beat Trump, then she shouldn't be nominated. HooptieWagon Jun 2016 #89

Hillary voters think she'll be Trump, so your post is irrelevant. qdouble Jun 2016 #102

You haven't been to Texas, have you? Vogon_Glory Jun 2016 #104

Well my post is more towards people who are into politics, not the apolitical. qdouble Jun 2016 #107

I would not dispute you about that BoB people Vogon_Glory Jun 2016 #113

You are right, we need a strong Democratic Party focusing GOTV efforts in TX auntpurl Jun 2016 #129

I think Trump would need a lot of luck and cheating to get elected Vogon_Glory Jun 2016 #136

What bothers me quite a bit, is all the talk about how political correctness is ruining everything tonyt53 Jun 2016 #108

Racists simply wish for a time when being racist was socially acceptable. The very reason why Trump qdouble Jun 2016 #112

Reading many of the comments on Elizabeth Warren's facebook page and elsewhere One of the 99 Jun 2016 #111

Yup. If you read a lot of their comments, it's not that they are throwing the country to the wolves. qdouble Jun 2016 #115

In other words... One of the 99 Jun 2016 #133

Yep, noble principles are those in which you stand up for the rights of everyone. qdouble Jun 2016 #137

Exactly!!! One of the 99 Jun 2016 #140

Two choices: HooptieWagon Jun 2016 #114

And yet both Parties have bacisally insisted upon anti LGBT bigotry in candidates and in electoral Bluenorthwest Jun 2016 #119

Society progressed...there was also a time when democrats stood for slavery. qdouble Jun 2016 #126

And you ignored everything I actually said. I congratulate you and the Clintons for finally figuring Bluenorthwest Jun 2016 #131

The insinuation that anyone you have a casual acquaintance with is somehow your best friend qdouble Jun 2016 #135

"It's just one little prayer." Behind the Aegis Jun 2016 #148

The extra funny thing about it is that privileged liberal are quick to write off minorities if we qdouble Jun 2016 #149

The really extra funny thing is many priviliged liberals write off minorities... Behind the Aegis Jun 2016 #150

Judging by the number of OT response and deflection this OP hits the spot... right on!!! uponit7771 Jun 2016 #124

Absolutely. nt Dr Hobbitstein Jun 2016 #128

50% of eligible voters won't vote in the general kcjohn1 Jun 2016 #130

It's a sign that the Democratic Party isn't doing a good enough job auntpurl Jun 2016 #134

I think the electoral college also keeps the total number of voters low. qdouble Jun 2016 #139

Plus the redistricting/gerrymandering thing auntpurl Jun 2016 #141

2020 TwilightZone Jun 2016 #180

As I said in a response to a different person: qdouble Jun 2016 #138

It does have to do with race, though. auntpurl Jun 2016 #142

I think everyone votes for their own goals based on their experiences. reflection Jun 2016 #143

This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #144

And Bernie supporters aren't the apathetic ones. We have been strongly supporting pdsimdars Jun 2016 #145

Thanks for the completely off topic reply. My argument is in no way against qdouble Jun 2016 #146

calling sanders voters racist and sexist is losing strategy Doctor_J Jun 2016 #152

First of all, I'm not disparaging Bernie voters at all... qdouble Jun 2016 #154

you and the rest of the conservatives have been calling sanders supporters racist, sexist, white, Doctor_J Jun 2016 #174

I'm not a conservative and I'm not calling Sanders supporters racist or sexist. qdouble Jun 2016 #175

I won't be held hostage by Conservative states PowerToThePeople Jun 2016 #193

Southern states = black and latino voters. qdouble Jun 2016 #195

Anyone willing to risk the SCOTUS is being highly irresponsible, MirrorAshes Jun 2016 #153

+1 It shows an overall lack of concern for the country if they don't get their way. qdouble Jun 2016 #155

I don't trust Hillary on SCOTUS. 840high Jun 2016 #162

I'll trust her a hell of a lot more than someone who doesn't want to be judged by qdouble Jun 2016 #172

You do what you want to do. 840high Jun 2016 #186

You should seek help OnDoutside Jun 2016 #217

How nice of an 840high Jun 2016 #222

I'm there for you ! :) OnDoutside Jun 2016 #223

The VAST MAJORITY of Hillary's supporters on DU are older white people. By a huge margin. nt Romulox Jun 2016 #161

1) Whites are the majority of the population...so it's irrelevant unless we are talking about qdouble Jun 2016 #163

No, it's very relevant to the race-baiting we've seen here on DU this Primary season. Romulox Jun 2016 #164

You're not really addressing the OP at all. I'll assume you're just here to post non sequitur qdouble Jun 2016 #166

Of course I am. I suspect I've identified the identity of our OP quite accurately, for example. nt Romulox Jun 2016 #168

I believe you have - absolutely. Juicy_Bellows Jun 2016 #179

I'm not white... so you suspect wrong. qdouble Jun 2016 #183

Good thing Clinton's supporters are completely immune from this. Scootaloo Jun 2016 #165

Circular logic. Eric J in MN Jun 2016 #167

Most Bernie or Busters that I can see that face of are white and specifically white males. qdouble Jun 2016 #169

I have the oppposite anecdotal experience. Eric J in MN Jun 2016 #178

I mean, I saw a black woman who was Bernie or bust on TV, that's not really the point qdouble Jun 2016 #182

Apathy. Both sides are betting on it. Jackilope Jun 2016 #176

I definitely understand where you're coming from qdouble Jun 2016 #177

Being concerned about the US bombing people CanadaexPat Jun 2016 #181

That argument doesn't make any sense. Trump says he will kill the family members of suspected qdouble Jun 2016 #184

White STRAIGHT Liberals. Us LGBT fear Trump and the GOP too dbackjon Jun 2016 #187

True. White straight males are probably the only qdouble Jun 2016 #190

Not to me. craigmatic Jun 2016 #194

There are non-voters of ever race, especially when it comes to young voters. qdouble Jun 2016 #196

The establishment = white privilege AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #197

The ultimate expression of White privilege is the ability of practitioners to con minorities. gordianot Jun 2016 #201

Nice deflection, but just mentioning the words white privilege doesn't mean you're addressing the OP qdouble Jun 2016 #202

Trump is an outspoken bigot a little worse than a limousine white liberal. gordianot Jun 2016 #210

Not all liberals necessarily care about the plight of others, that fact is made obvious by qdouble Jun 2016 #211

Out right bigots are looking for scapegoats. gordianot Jun 2016 #214

Well I agree with you in the sense that both can be bad, qdouble Jun 2016 #215

K&R MaggieD Jun 2016 #203

Apathy is not just a white thing. Orsino Jun 2016 #204

Having apathy towards things that don't effect you isn't a white thing... qdouble Jun 2016 #208

Are you saying Bernie supporters are racists? B Calm Jun 2016 #205

Of course not! qdouble Jun 2016 #207

Voting for your preferred candidate is not "apathy". Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2016 #213

Being gleeful about the prospects of the democrats losing so you can say "I told you so" qdouble Jun 2016 #218

Your definition of apathy is mistaken. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2016 #224

It's not mistaken at all. The attitude given hints at them not caring whether or not Trump qdouble Jun 2016 #225

I'm voting against Trump and Hillary. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2016 #226

I'm voting for the Democratic Party nominee. qdouble Jun 2016 #227