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samson212

(83 posts)
89. Super condescending for no reason
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 01:20 PM
Jun 2016
You talk in the language of ideas but have no way to implement them

Only if you ignore the ways to implement them. Seriously, this isn't a insane-o campaign, as much as you'd like it to be. There are real, well reasoned, policy positions which, by and large, have detailed plans for their execution. Not to mention that they are common ideas throughout the modern world.

we do have a good chance to get the Senate if you Bernie folk would just stop.

How does that work? You think that Bernie voters will not go to the ballot box because their candidate didn't get the nomination? I think you've got that backwards. A huge number of people who wouldn't have voted at all will be going to the polling places in November, because they're suddenly interested in a political system they believed had abandoned them. I think the fact that Bernie ran at all has probably significantly changed the makeup of both the Senate and House, in the Democratic party's favor.

I saw occupy fizzle out and was deeply saddened.

Do you mean you saw Occupy be beaten into submission by the police and MSM? What do you think happened to all the people who participated in / were inspired by Occupy? I think a lot of them are now Bernie supporters. I think many of them are more involved in politics now than they were before. I think some of them are running for office, or joining / have joined local party organizations. I think that this revolution has nowhere to go but up, as we'll probably see in Philadelphia and going forward for the next decade at least. Young people are finally getting involved, and that's a recipie for real change. Ignore it at your own peril.

You listened to Bernie and thought he could do those things right away.

No, we listened to Bernie when he said that real change starts at the bottom. You seem to think that there is no hope for positive change in Washington. I (and Bernie and Bernie supporters) think that the only hope is to actively hold our government accountable to our interests. Do you think that's pie in the sky? Do you have examples of large-scale changes that have happened in America which didn't stem from such direct action?

You all have lost touch with reality. ... If anyone lied to you, it was Bernie. ... insisting on 'concessions' that are meaningless if you live in the real world.

I don't even have words. Maybe we should have a rational conversation about policy points and the future of our democracy, instead of callously writing off nearly half of the Democratic party and a significant chunk of Independent voters.
totally agree Cat larkrake Jun 2016 #1
He shouldn't listen to Obama at all. He has a promise to keep. That promise is to take it to atomingai Jun 2016 #2
Bernie asked for the meeting. If Bernie thinks he's going there to dictate terms he should rethink. LuvLoogie Jun 2016 #11
Um....He's not going there to dictate anything. He's just stating his case and keeping his word. atomingai Jun 2016 #43
Um annavictorious Jun 2016 #52
Sanders does not do things for himself. That crappy talk has gotten stale. Sanders is a grown man. atomingai Jun 2016 #53
What a load. Hillary has run two slimy presidential campaigns now. She race-baited in 2008 cui bono Jun 2016 #62
What are you talking about? samson212 Jun 2016 #87
Looks like POTUS has moved on, Obi Wan. LuvLoogie Jun 2016 #65
It was my understanding.... WiffenPoof Jun 2016 #45
Really Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #30
He's going to the convention to state his case and keeping his word to the people. atomingai Jun 2016 #44
His case for what ...what you don't want to admit he wants to steal the primary from actual voters? Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #46
If by the convention he has not conceded GulfCoast66 Jun 2016 #58
Sanders has already made it clear that he will go the convention and make his case. You Hillary... atomingai Jun 2016 #60
I agree with you GulfCoast66 Jun 2016 #61
Couldn't disagree more Dem2 Jun 2016 #3
Or maybe it's like he's been saying, that he wants to bring pressure QC Jun 2016 #4
Pure projection. Take what's bad about your candidate, glowing Jun 2016 #27
Funny that you say that because from where I sit, Berie's giant ego is the issue here. Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #31
Address the issues how exactly? Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #37
Super condescending for no reason samson212 Jun 2016 #89
Those are going to be Clinton votes. ucrdem Jun 2016 #5
Wanna bet? catnhatnh Jun 2016 #8
many of those ballots will be republican. the rest split between hillary and bernie in some msongs Jun 2016 #9
Older people MFM008 Jun 2016 #10
Post removed Post removed Jun 2016 #13
Seriously? You are sticking with that one? seabeyond Jun 2016 #16
This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #12
Update Wed. 4:56 pm says ~500,000 left, 1.4+ million counted: ucrdem Jun 2016 #17
They also said it would not change the outcome. Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #32
"Based on other mailed in ballots, her lead may widen." I think that judging by how large her lead Number23 Jun 2016 #73
More accurately, he's been doing the deceiving. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #6
Bernie is victorious. He won a long time ago. You just don't understand what this is about. cui bono Jun 2016 #66
Well said marions ghost Jun 2016 #79
3,000,000 votes? RobertEarl Jun 2016 #7
I'd be interested to see the documentation... Orrex Jun 2016 #35
She won, he lost. He knows this. geek tragedy Jun 2016 #14
If they want him to drop out, they need to stop jerking him around. Ken Burch Jun 2016 #15
"If they want him to drop out, they need to stop jerking him around." Orrex Jun 2016 #36
I have to wonder about some of you Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #38
If Bernie hadn't been allergic to telling his supporters to register as Democrats from the start TeamPooka Jun 2016 #18
My party right or wrong? He concentrated on the issues that should matter to people ... slipslidingaway Jun 2016 #20
He missed a chance to win and take over. You missed the point. You were not pushed away TeamPooka Jun 2016 #21
WTF are you talking about, you are now trying to supposedly blame the demise of the progressives slipslidingaway Jun 2016 #22
Bernie isn't and has never been the be all and end all of the progressive movement baldguy Jun 2016 #23
I never said the progressive movement was dead. It's alive in this party with or without Bernie and TeamPooka Jun 2016 #47
It is not alive in the Democratic Party. djean111 Jun 2016 #55
The progressive movement is not alive in this party. It's alive IN SPITE of it. cui bono Jun 2016 #67
Get your holier than thou attitudes out of your sytems now. You won't be whining here much longer TeamPooka Jun 2016 #69
I'm not whining and I don't have a holier than thou attitude. I'm simply stating a fact. cui bono Jun 2016 #81
You are not stating fact you are offering opinion. nt TeamPooka Jun 2016 #82
An opinion that is supported by facts. It's documented. You can look up everything I said. cui bono Jun 2016 #83
Sanders had a choice to run as an independent and be true MyNameGoesHere Jun 2016 #34
Because even he didn't think the Democratic leadership would condone cheating and election fraud. cui bono Jun 2016 #63
Not true Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #40
Big difference between 2008 and now, there are many younger voters who have signed up slipslidingaway Jun 2016 #19
Then forget about Sanders if he won't help, he gets nothing. nt Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #41
If Sanders gets nothing, his supporters will sit on their hands, or worse. Its a problem for Hillary reformist2 Jun 2016 #64
Where did the poster say Sanders won't help??? cui bono Jun 2016 #86
No magic wand required, just inspirational leadership. Like Obama's in 2008, his new followers TeamPooka Jun 2016 #48
um , a shitload of young people registered in 2008. Obama brought them out too TeamPooka Jun 2016 #70
It doesn't matter Florencenj2point0 Jun 2016 #24
That is a good analysis. They can't be trusted to follow through with anything that they say. w4rma Jun 2016 #25
A life lived in conspiricy theories must be hard to navigate. upaloopa Jun 2016 #26
Anybody not on board to fight Trump at this late hour, ... Tortmaster Jun 2016 #28
Good point. DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2016 #33
Oh please. Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #29
Isn't Sanders talking directly to President Obama? apnu Jun 2016 #39
Last time Sen. Feinstein helped bring peace Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #42
Because he suffers from persecution complex lanlady Jun 2016 #49
You may do whatever you like, but in a week, this will no longer be the website to do it in Tarc Jun 2016 #50
I thought this morning we'd see a decline in new screeds... brooklynite Jun 2016 #54
From some of your other posts, it doesn't seem like you are over the primaries yet democrattotheend Jun 2016 #59
That's not what it is at all, I'm afraid Tarc Jun 2016 #71
No one cares about that. cui bono Jun 2016 #68
Elections have winners and losers Tarc Jun 2016 #72
He is supporting the 99% as we speak. cui bono Jun 2016 #80
Get over it! Or don't. No one cares how you vote. leftofcool Jun 2016 #51
Maybe it's time for him to admit that no one wanted him in the first place. eastwestdem Jun 2016 #56
In my opinion Time for change Jun 2016 #57
TO THE CONVENTION!!!! F. THE NAYSAYERS! jack_krass Jun 2016 #74
Amen. kadaholo Jun 2016 #75
Well said…. midnight Jun 2016 #76
7 more days.... chillfactor Jun 2016 #77
On to the convention Bernie! GoneFishin Jun 2016 #78
We don't care jzodda Jun 2016 #84
You know, you're implying that Sanders is a gullible fool, right? I don't think that's true, fwiw. randome Jun 2016 #85
I don't believe he's gullible. catnhatnh Jun 2016 #88
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