2016 Postmortem

DCBob

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59. No doubt they will... the issue will be defeating Trump and the GOP.. a worthy and rational cause.

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Sat Jun 11, 2016, 09:22 AM

Jun 2016

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Sanders campaign has become a classic example of the phenomenon of "group polarization" [View all] DCBob Jun 2016 OP

Great analysis. NurseJackie Jun 2016 #1

the problem with this, this group believes they represent a majority view because of their elevated beachbum bob Jun 2016 #2

Also like "mob mentality" or "herd mentality". DCBob Jun 2016 #4

Funny, I see the sane thin in Clinton or busters Armstead Jun 2016 #38

I dont think so. DCBob Jun 2016 #40

You are stereotyping again -- Same stuff was said about Obama and his campaign Armstead Jun 2016 #52

As I said in previous post.. there was some of same stuff with Obama 2008. DCBob Jun 2016 #65

That's because there is the same widhunger for substantial change -- It's not just about D v. R Armstead Jun 2016 #69

It is about D vs R. DCBob Jun 2016 #71

If you can;t see what has happened since 1980 I can't help you Armstead Jun 2016 #73

See this.. DCBob Jun 2016 #79

We're holding a conversation in different scattered posts...It gets a little confusing. Armstead Jun 2016 #91

Yeah, but its a good conversation. DCBob Jun 2016 #94

What Bush did to this country can never be allowed to happen again.... kerry-is-my-prez Jun 2016 #96

I was an Independent in the late 90's.. Bush convinced me forever Democrats are the good guys. DCBob Jun 2016 #98

Yes - I felt like I wanted to retch every time I came on here as a Hillary supporter. kerry-is-my-prez Jun 2016 #83

Yes, and look what happened. auntpurl Jun 2016 #70

That's a gross simplification Armstead Jun 2016 #78

No, not mistaking criticism for vilification auntpurl Jun 2016 #82

Of course not he was on your side ideologically and promoted your people to the plum posts TheKentuckian Jun 2016 #150

The far left does have a little problem that way, Hortensis Jun 2016 #146

+1 uponit7771 Jun 2016 #174

I see a tremendous amount of projectionism in that article. Baitball Blogger Jun 2016 #88

The Chicago Tribune didn't write the article, Cass Sunstein did. sufrommich Jun 2016 #93

You're blaming this on the internet, really? Baitball Blogger Jun 2016 #103

Do you think I'm Cass Sunstein? sufrommich Jun 2016 #107

I was under the impression that you posted in support Baitball Blogger Jun 2016 #110

Cass Sunstein is not a woman. DCBob Jun 2016 #121

Or they watch a lot of TV which has been going HARD for Clinton. Ash_F Jun 2016 #197

True.. RW media especially Faux has been pounding her ever since this election began. DCBob Jun 2016 #198

I meant supporting Clinton hard. Barring Fox. Ash_F Jun 2016 #200

"Clinton or bust" was never a thing, which is the whole point. CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #50

You are making the mistake of seeng this as a Tiger Beat Beauty Contest Armstead Jun 2016 #51

Stick to the facts liberalnarb Jun 2016 #172

+1 uponit7771 Jun 2016 #175

I don't think there is such a thing. I think that most of us would have gladly voted for Sanders at kerry-is-my-prez Jun 2016 #95

Clinton or busters? brush Jun 2016 #109

I just made up that term,... Armstead Jun 2016 #117

Not buying it at all. Most Clinton voters are actual Dems who believe in voting blue . . . brush Jun 2016 #136

A well oiled machine is not the same as actually working for people Armstead Jun 2016 #138

Eh, it worked. Try joining it and working within it to change it . . . brush Jun 2016 #143

If one disagrees with something, one has to express disagreement Armstead Jun 2016 #148

Come on. You've lived life. You, just as I have, have learned that the way to get . . . brush Jun 2016 #154

In real life I'm a very nice guy Armstead Jun 2016 #157

I agree with that. Sometimes you have to push, sometimes to yield. brush Jun 2016 #159

Yup. And the Democratic party has been yielding for 25 years bonemachine Jun 2016 #207

I think you have that backwards. The Party fought him swhisper1 Jun 2016 #194

Here are some quotes from Sanders and a links that makes one wonder why ran . . . brush Jun 2016 #201

being a democrat is pointing out corruption, even within a party swhisper1 Jun 2016 #204

Other Dems don't publicly trash the party, maybe their opponent, or the repugs. brush Jun 2016 #205

voice leads to change, silence does not, I would think you would know that swhisper1 Jun 2016 #206

I said work internally within the party. Did you miss that? brush Jun 2016 #210

the movement is against all corruption in DC, not just DNC corruption swhisper1 Jun 2016 #216

Okay, he joined the party. You don't publicly tear down your party . . . brush Jun 2016 #218

Christ, you will never understand. Goodbye, have a nice day swhisper1 Jun 2016 #219

There's no evidence to back that up. TeacherB87 Jun 2016 #151

What group would that be? Lord Magus Jun 2016 #160

I rather think of it as the group that is allergic to corruption. roguevalley Jun 2016 #186

But Hillary's supporters don't fit this model? tecelote Jun 2016 #3

Hillary supporters think and react more individually than Bernie supporters who prefer "groupthink". DCBob Jun 2016 #5

If it makes you feel better to think that, go ahead and delude yourself. tecelote Jun 2016 #8

The difference is... Blanks Jun 2016 #39

Hillary voters see the danger that is Trump. apcalc Jun 2016 #80

That's not true. I have seen hillary supporters repeatedly say they will vote for Bernie if he AgadorSparticus Jun 2016 #139

Ahem, you're agreeing with me. eom Blanks Jun 2016 #155

Just keeping you on your toes! 😜 lol sorry. Supposed to be under a different post upthread.. AgadorSparticus Jun 2016 #156

Thanks... Blanks Jun 2016 #191

I remember at least one who proudly said she would vote for Trump over Sanders mythology Jun 2016 #189

I expect you are right... Blanks Jun 2016 #190

Thats because we're all Communists Armstead Jun 2016 #41

Finally you admitted it! DCBob Jun 2016 #42

yeah I'm also a Scientologist and Moonie on the side Armstead Jun 2016 #47

Some of you have a lot of delusions that you're seen sufrommich Jun 2016 #44

Unlike Clintonites who see themselves as part of the powerful "in crowd" of insiders Armstead Jun 2016 #46

I see myself as a voter,a democratic voter. sufrommich Jun 2016 #48

" I have no delusions that I'm feared by huge swaths of the U.S." tecelote Jun 2016 #53

I can't even respond to such dismissive smug stereotyping nonsense Armstead Jun 2016 #58

Because you meant "vicious cool kids" as a good thing? sufrommich Jun 2016 #62

That was in response to your characterization Armstead Jun 2016 #67

Not quite apcalc Jun 2016 #81

Well said. auntpurl Jun 2016 #84

One can't defeat decades of identification in a single year Armstead Jun 2016 #97

In my opinion, Bernie did not do enough to enfranchise people auntpurl Jun 2016 #99

I said you don''t change Rome in a day... Armstead Jun 2016 #104

You can say it simultaneously, but Bernie didn't really say it at all. auntpurl Jun 2016 #113

You just didn't listen then Armstead Jun 2016 #120

Well, we'll agree to disagree. auntpurl Jun 2016 #122

Armstead your thinking its false division but sometimes its not DLCWIdem Jun 2016 #161

First I am not a Marxist. Second I am well aware that race is not an issue invented for this campaig Armstead Jun 2016 #163

I guess we will just have to agree to disagree DLCWIdem Jun 2016 #168

I agree that economics will not solve all racial problems. Armstead Jun 2016 #185

+1, I said the exact same thing the other day... WS was bad but not the top 5 of PoC and LGBT and.. uponit7771 Jun 2016 #177

Depends on which in crowd one refers to Armstead Jun 2016 #90

+1 uponit7771 Jun 2016 #176

It will never compute... deathrind Jun 2016 #54

You are wrong. Clinton's policies are better than Sanders. Nt seabeyond Jun 2016 #106

I guess if you think deathrind Jun 2016 #114

And this would be the group think. Create a caricature not of fact, to easily tear the person down. seabeyond Jun 2016 #118

I thought Rush already found a secret way in through the Sanders campaign. TeacherB87 Jun 2016 #152

I'll remember you said that when Obama and Clinton hold big rallies Armstead Jun 2016 #56

No doubt they will... the issue will be defeating Trump and the GOP.. a worthy and rational cause. DCBob Jun 2016 #59

Please stop for a moment and think about what you're saying Armstead Jun 2016 #64

Obama was the real deal. Bernie is great but his focus is way off target. DCBob Jun 2016 #68

Okay obviously you are locked into that template Armstead Jun 2016 #72

Yeah, I see the systemic corruption.. anyone can see that. DCBob Jun 2016 #77

That has been said consistently by the Democrats since the rise of the Clintons and DLC Armstead Jun 2016 #85

"Keeping out the GOP" is by far and away the most important issue. DCBob Jun 2016 #87

You have to change the people's minds. That is how real change happens. There's a lot of angry kerry-is-my-prez Jun 2016 #108

What I honestly wish is the Obama had listened more to his "inner Bernie" as President instead of .. Armstead Jun 2016 #112

I can agree with you there. He was too chicken, afraid he would be seen as an "angry black man." kerry-is-my-prez Jun 2016 #140

Can one choose to rip both? I could not stand the Obama adulation and the Dean adulation before kerry-is-my-prez Jun 2016 #131

I have been thinking for myself for 52 years. I have been for Publicly Funded Elections Dustlawyer Jun 2016 #60

Bizarre AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #128

An odd phenomenon, don't you think? Most young democrats rallying round an old, fringe, outsider? lumberjack_jeff Jun 2016 #144

He has tapped into their anger. DCBob Jun 2016 #147

Huh? Did you actually just say all of that? Miles Archer Jun 2016 #179

Of course I didnt mean to imply all Sanders supporters. DCBob Jun 2016 #188

This isn't demonisation. auntpurl Jun 2016 #15

Well said. DCBob Jun 2016 #23

This "cultlike" meme was thrown at supporters of Obama in 2008 too. Armstead Jun 2016 #49

There was some of that.. me included. I thought he was going to save the world. DCBob Jun 2016 #61

I remember that idealism way back then and it didn't make sense, any more than this one. seabeyond Jun 2016 #116

I was hopeful back then. DCBob Jun 2016 #125

Hopeful, sure. I was hoping he would legally go after Bushco though not seeing it. The difference seabeyond Jun 2016 #141

We are all vulnerable to it... Blanks Jun 2016 #43

Yes - I hero- worshipped Clark. I was more susceptible to it when I was young - McGovern and JFK. kerry-is-my-prez Jun 2016 #75

Actually, no. Berners did it to themselves with their behavior. Lil Missy Jun 2016 #145

they aren't getting more extreme treestar Jun 2016 #170

I've been saying this on DU for months now. auntpurl Jun 2016 #6

You were right-on auntie! DCBob Jun 2016 #7

The other point the article mentions auntpurl Jun 2016 #9

Yeah, a bit like the French Revolution.. DCBob Jun 2016 #17

At the end of the process, no one ever passes the purity test auntpurl Jun 2016 #21

"no one ever passes the purity test" sufrommich Jun 2016 #33

Yes, this leads to more polarisation auntpurl Jun 2016 #36

That's been particularly evident the past few days. TwilightZone Jun 2016 #102

PS. Here's my post on it from back in March auntpurl Jun 2016 #11

I didnt see that post back then but you were spot on. DCBob Jun 2016 #19

its not hard to figure it out...the perfect "zealot" mentality and why sanders supporters so beachbum bob Jun 2016 #10

It's important to remember that they aren't "zealots" in their individual selves auntpurl Jun 2016 #13

z***** mentality as a "group"...with a few real z***** mixed in. Pretty normal group behavior beachbum bob Jun 2016 #24

Yes, I think that's a very fair characterisation. nt auntpurl Jun 2016 #26

This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #12

or that Clinton is a captive of the banks, you risk their good will if you disagree. justiceischeap Jun 2016 #14

This is a one-sided and therefore polemic analysis aikoaiko Jun 2016 #16

As I posted earlier Hillary supporters tend to think more individually. DCBob Jun 2016 #20

I also think a lot Hillary's supporters never thought she was the perfect candidate redstateblues Jun 2016 #29

Exactly.. me for one. DCBob Jun 2016 #31

I am gonna miss that guy a lot. He has been an outstanding President redstateblues Jun 2016 #34

Yep.. we all are. DCBob Jun 2016 #37

+1 uponit7771 Jun 2016 #180

+1 CorkySt.Clair Jun 2016 #220

What "extreme degrees"? Name some.The Bernie group sufrommich Jun 2016 #35

For one, mere criticism of a HRC endorsers becomes villianization aikoaiko Jun 2016 #126

this might have been because HC supporters found themselves under attack DLCWIdem Jun 2016 #124

I'm not saying there wasn't polarization, I'm saying by definition it goes in both directions. aikoaiko Jun 2016 #127

Excellent analysis. K & R Surya Gayatri Jun 2016 #18

Definitely fits the berners workinclasszero Jun 2016 #22

K&R betsuni Jun 2016 #25

This isn't about Bernie. it never was. Ruby the Liberal Jun 2016 #27

And the question is: Is the tremendous anger with the "whole DC drama scene" justified and rational? DCBob Jun 2016 #30

The answer to that likely depends on your situation Ruby the Liberal Jun 2016 #45

My company went bankrupt during the recession. DCBob Jun 2016 #57

The idea that someone would borrow $100,000 to get a degree in a field redstateblues Jun 2016 #111

It is a terrifying phenomenon and has led to the truly awful things in history. I am in no Squinch Jun 2016 #28

Group think on a grand scale. DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2016 #32

Oh bullshit. blackspade Jun 2016 #55

His positions are not necessarily extreme.. its his followers. DCBob Jun 2016 #63

The group polarisation has been much less about "pro-Bernie" than about "anti-Hillary" auntpurl Jun 2016 #66

Exactly. The anti Hillary movement took on a life of their own. AgadorSparticus Jun 2016 #149

Minimization through classification... tom-servo Jun 2016 #74

I remember a time when this country respected minority views Baitball Blogger Jun 2016 #76

"minority views" auntpurl Jun 2016 #86

This might come as news to you, but "minority" has legal meaning Baitball Blogger Jun 2016 #89

Yes...and? auntpurl Jun 2016 #92

Well, it is an American legal principle. Baitball Blogger Jun 2016 #100

I am an American. auntpurl Jun 2016 #101

They don't hate Hillary. Baitball Blogger Jun 2016 #105

Oh, they hate her. auntpurl Jun 2016 #115

I've heard some pretty nasty things said by Clinton supporters here Baitball Blogger Jun 2016 #119

How many Clinton supporters have you seen/heard say they'll vote for Trump if Bernie is the nominee? auntpurl Jun 2016 #123

They could be blowing off steam. Baitball Blogger Jun 2016 #129

I don't think it's trivialising the movement at all! auntpurl Jun 2016 #130

Show us one Sanders supporter saying they will vote for Trump AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #132

I don't want to link it directly auntpurl Jun 2016 #134

This OP is a pisspoor exercise in cognitive dissonance AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #133

It is easy to point at Republicans and say, that's polarization, difficult to admit Agnosticsherbet Jun 2016 #135

Nothing wrong with being polarized against neoliberalism & war. PowerToThePeople Jun 2016 #137

There was never anything extreme about Sanders' positions. bluedigger Jun 2016 #142

It not so much Sanders himself, its his supporters who have gone off the deep end. DCBob Jun 2016 #167

We've definitely seen that at DU from Sanders followers. CorkySt.Clair Jun 2016 #153

more dismissive bashing of Sanders supporters. Betty Karlson Jun 2016 #158

I agree with you that the influence of social media is all the difference in modern elections. eastwestdem Jun 2016 #162

Works out the other way as well, Racist, sexist just to name a few what we have been called. insta8er Jun 2016 #164

There is value in group polarization andym Jun 2016 #165

The point of the article is that group polarization.. DCBob Jun 2016 #166

That goes with the territory andym Jun 2016 #169

Taking this sort of editorial seriously requires group polarization Vattel Jun 2016 #171

The author is credible.. worked in the Obama admin. DCBob Jun 2016 #173

Don't worry, I know who Sustein is. Vattel Jun 2016 #178

Sunstein. DCBob Jun 2016 #187

thaks Vattel Jun 2016 #193

K&R I always remember that iceberg photo the Sanders supporters were always waving around Number23 Jun 2016 #181

Yes, we were all chanting, "it's Bernie's turn", "It's time for a socialist in the White House"! brewens Jun 2016 #182

.+1 840high Jun 2016 #183

Nice strawman you've got there. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #184

"I think this dynamic is also tremendously enhanced by social media." Maven Jun 2016 #192

But the "echo chamber" inside the beltway sphincter is no problem, eh? pat_k Jun 2016 #195

I think the author's main point refers to the extreme irrational negative view of Hillary... DCBob Jun 2016 #196

Seems to me he's painting the campaign with a broader brush. pat_k Jun 2016 #202

I think you misinterpret the author's main point. DCBob Jun 2016 #203

Extreme inequality is the driver of extreme viewpoints. Orsino Jun 2016 #199

What a stupid commentary. It much better describes Hillary supporters than Bernie supporters. Live and Learn Jun 2016 #208

I think the author has alot more credibility than you do.. DCBob Jun 2016 #209

I know a lot of stupid people that graduated from elitist schools. Dubya for one. Live and Learn Jun 2016 #212

Comparing this author to Bush?? DCBob Jun 2016 #213

Yeah, that is exactly what I did. Live and Learn Jun 2016 #214

This is spot on MaggieD Jun 2016 #211

Wrong again. nt Live and Learn Jun 2016 #215

This dynamic is not just enhanced by social media, but exploited by it. nt anigbrowl Jun 2016 #217