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118. I disagree completely. She is a warhawk, she did and does support fracking, she, for ages supported
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 11:11 AM
Jun 2016

the TPP and she has said single payer is never going to happen.


Does Hillary Clinton support fracking?

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/apr/13/bernie-s/does-hillary-clinton-support-fracking/

Our ruling

Sanders said that Clinton supported and continues "to support fracking."

As secretary of state, Clinton supported and promoted fracking around the world. As a 2016 candidate, her support comes with conditions such as local choice, stronger environmental regulation and chemicals.

Sanders’ claim is accurate but needs additional information. We rate it Mostly True.




Hillary Clinton’s Energy Initiative Pressed Countries to Embrace Fracking, New Emails Reveal

https://theintercept.com/2016/05/23/hillary-clinton-fracking/


Far from challenging fossil fuel companies, the emails obtained by The Intercept show that State Department officials worked closely with private sector oil and gas companies, pressed other agencies within the Obama administration to commit federal government resources including technical assistance for locating shale reserves, and distributed agreements with partner nations pledging to help secure investments for new fracking projects.

The documents also reveal the department’s role in bringing foreign dignitaries to a fracking site in Pennsylvania, and its plans to make Poland a “laboratory for testing whether U.S. success in developing shale gas can be repeated in a different country,” particularly in Europe, where local governments had expressed opposition and in some cases even banned fracking.

The campaign included plans to spread the drilling technique to China, South Africa, Romania, Morocco, Bulgaria, Chile, India, Pakistan, Argentina, Indonesia, and Ukraine.

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As for warhawk, Iraq, Libya, Syria, etc, enough said. She is a humanitarian bomber, like Power, Albright, Rice, etc. Empiric war projection with bogus altruistic covers.

Democrats, this is why you need to fear Hillary Clinton: The NY Times is absolutely right — she’s a bigger hawk than the Republicans

http://www.salon.com/2016/04/27/democrats_this_is_why_you_need_to_fear_hillary_clinton_the_ny_times_is_absolutely_right_shes_a_bigger_hawk_than_the_republicanse/

Democratic Presidential candidate Hillary Clinton is even more of a war hawk than her Republican counterparts, the U.S. newspaper of record says in a new report.

“How Hillary Clinton Became a Hawk,” a long-form article published this week in the New York Times Magazine, details how Clinton’s hyper-hawkish “foreign-policy instincts are bred in the bone,” based on what one of her aides calls “a textbook view of American exceptionalism.”

Clinton’s extreme belligerence “will likely set her apart from the Republican candidate she meets in the general election,” the Times explains, noting “neither Donald J. Trump nor Senator Ted Cruz of Texas have demonstrated anywhere near the appetite for military engagement abroad that Clinton has.”

In the 2016 presidential campaign, the report concludes, “Hillary Clinton is the last true hawk left in the race.”

The almost 7,000-word piece in the New York Times, which endorsed Clinton, details how, as secretary of state, Clinton pressured President Obama to take more aggressive military action in a variety of conflicts, including Iraq, Afghanistan, Russia, Syria and more.





TPP, I am sorry, her recent conditional semi-reversal is well overweighted by her previous fundamental support of it. It is, IMHO, pure political opportunism, and is one of the biggest reasons I was not happy with her as the pick, which I do admit she now is, and I will support her over Trump. That said, I fully expect the TPP to rammed down our throats.


45 times Secretary Clinton pushed the trade bill she now opposes

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/06/15/politics/45-times-secretary-clinton-pushed-the-trade-bill-she-now-opposes/

Chamber of Commerce expects Clinton to support TPP as president

http://digbysblog.blogspot.se/2016/02/chamber-of-commerce-expects-clinton-to.html

If Hillary Clinton is elected president, will she support TPP anyway? Clinton has been pro-"free trade" deals, including very pro-TPP until just recently, when she announced her opposition.

How strong is that opposition? Tom Donohue, chief of the powerful pro-business lobby Chamber of Commerce, thinks it's not very strong at all. He expects, if elected, she will follow her husband's earlier lead (he actually brought that up) and get "practical."

Here's a clip:



This is the essence of money talking about money at a place where money's private jets have gathered (the World Economic Forum at Davos, Switzerland). From the Bloomberg News introduction:
U.S. Chamber of Commerce President and CEO Thomas Donohue discusses his stance and outlook for the Trans-Pacific Partnership deal. He speaks from the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland on "Bloomberg ‹GO›."

In the conversation above, note first that the reason he thinks the Senate can't approve TPP until after the election is that too many Republican senators would be made vulnerable by voting to approve it. Before the election those senators couldn't vote for TPP and still preserve their seats. After the election, or in a lame duck session, that restriction is lifted.
In other words, he knows and admits that even Republican voters hate TPP. But the wealthy want it anyway, and they're willing to wait a few months to get it. Even if it wins by "two votes," as he explains above, it still wins, as do they. Second, he thinks Clinton will revert back to the family pattern — remember, "two for the price of one" was a Clinton claim — and become "practical" once she gains power and frees herself from having to make promises to voters.


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Single payer

Hillary Clinton: Single-payer health care will "never, ever" happen

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/hillary-clinton-single-payer-health-care-will-never-ever-happen/


Just a few days before the Iowa caucuses, Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton stressed to voters in Des Moines just how unfeasible she considers her opponent Bernie Sanders' plan to pursue a single-payer health care system.

"I want you to understand why I am fighting so hard for the Affordable Care Act," she said at Grand View University after hearing from a woman who spoke about her daughter receiving cancer treatment thanks to the health care law. "I don't want it repealed, I don't want us to be thrown back into a terrible, terrible national debate. I don't want us to end up in gridlock. People can't wait!"

She added, "People who have health emergencies can't wait for us to have a theoretical debate about some better idea that will never, ever come to pass."

her candidacy is historic, your personal feelings are irrelevant to that geek tragedy Jun 2016 #1
Your logic is flawed. Melissa G Jun 2016 #3
so if Bernie endorses her, will you still be with Bernie geek tragedy Jun 2016 #4
Unlike the conservative Democrats, bvar22 Jun 2016 #37
+10,000 We think for ourselves and vote on issues. nt Live and Learn Jun 2016 #106
Post removed Post removed Jun 2016 #40
Bookmarking nt geek tragedy Jun 2016 #41
Okay... Not sure why because both those statements have been widely reported this week. Melissa G Jun 2016 #45
Bernie Sanders said in multiple debates Eric J in MN Jun 2016 #81
Trying to frame this in her "with" slogan doesn't work. LWolf Jun 2016 #120
All of us are our own person. But Hillary's achievement IS indisputably historic. pnwmom Jun 2016 #55
LOL Scootaloo Jun 2016 #64
Bernie is not going to contest the convention BainsBane Jun 2016 #88
Um, I don'e she was comparing HRC to Cain or Carson. panader0 Jun 2016 #5
Sure she was. LuvLoogie Jun 2016 #78
historic? first Jewish POTUS candidate to nearly win nomination and w/o corporate donations? zazen Jun 2016 #91
+10,000 nt Live and Learn Jun 2016 #108
Historic doesn't mean good. nt Live and Learn Jun 2016 #105
K N R-ed Faux pas Jun 2016 #2
I am a white woman. djean111 Jun 2016 #6
So do I. 840high Jun 2016 #13
Hate to tell you this jzodda Jun 2016 #7
Well then don't worry about it. 840high Jun 2016 #14
Sanders will endorse HRC but still have different values. NT Eric J in MN Jun 2016 #83
He will say (as he has all along) that she is better than Trump. Low bar and doesn't make him Live and Learn Jun 2016 #109
He can work to defeat Trump and not "be with her" Miles Archer Jun 2016 #137
Yes, that was my sentiment about Clinton in 2008 and it is the same now. JimDandy Jun 2016 #8
My, aren't you on a roll today. zappaman Jun 2016 #9
not any more, FFR nt geek tragedy Jun 2016 #11
Four minutes, three rants, two hides, one account "Flagged for Review" ... NurseJackie Jun 2016 #15
I feel rather robbed auntpurl Jun 2016 #19
Maybe she was trying to be subtle, start out slowly and build to a big finish. NurseJackie Jun 2016 #25
Don't be ... She's opting for the equally dramatic, alternate ending ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2016 #30
... sheshe2 Jun 2016 #50
Sure, sure this is fine too auntpurl Jun 2016 #74
Not seeing much civility here PaulaFarrell Jun 2016 #82
First of all auntpurl Jun 2016 #87
It's irrelevant PaulaFarrell Jun 2016 #89
Again, my apologies. auntpurl Jun 2016 #90
Bull, the OP was in all likelihood targeted. FFR occurs simply by having 2 posts hidden in the same Live and Learn Jun 2016 #112
+10,000 Personal attacks are apparently okay for 'her' supporters to use. nt Live and Learn Jun 2016 #110
Or, remember the DUer called ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2016 #111
Lol. Nt seabeyond Jun 2016 #117
Lots of those these days. It's a game with them. Squinch Jun 2016 #56
I don't see what you see.... Silver_Witch Jun 2016 #70
I guess you missed the show. NurseJackie Jun 2016 #95
Sounds like you're stalking her n/t PaulaFarrell Jun 2016 #79
It's easy to watch fireworks from a distance ... NurseJackie Jun 2016 #93
And you enjoyed it immensely n/t PaulaFarrell Jun 2016 #97
Fireworks are fun, Paula. NurseJackie Jun 2016 #98
Funny -- kind of resembles your short history here. n/t brentspeak Jun 2016 #142
Is there a problem? NurseJackie Jun 2016 #143
Thanks for sharing.... LexVegas Jun 2016 #10
k n r 99Forever Jun 2016 #12
These types of posts are so stupid. Being proud that you get to vote for a qdouble Jun 2016 #16
No one who is supporting Hillary because she's a woman athena Jun 2016 #18
I think you and the person you replied to are making the same point. auntpurl Jun 2016 #20
Oh, OK, thanks. athena Jun 2016 #21
I hear ya. If I haven't had coffee, I have the reading comprehension of a goldfish. auntpurl Jun 2016 #22
Shhh. Of course your post is true but they like to pretend it isn't. Squinch Jun 2016 #57
And I'm a meat-eating vegan. athena Jun 2016 #17
Are you saying no real feminists voted for Sanders? NT Eric J in MN Jun 2016 #84
"Feminist" is a word that means something. athena Jun 2016 #99
Bull Amaril Jun 2016 #129
44 male presidents is "equal treatment?" athena Jun 2016 #132
Seriously? Amaril Jun 2016 #139
There is no Bernie Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #23
No, they are not the only choices. Beowulf Jun 2016 #27
They are the only realistic choices. Nt gollygee Jun 2016 #31
Ok, I'll concede. Beowulf Jun 2016 #33
Thanks for a thoughtful comment, Beowulf. senz Jun 2016 #65
The AP doesn't decide the election. No one has won it yet. nt senz Jun 2016 #63
only zuul? tandem5 Jun 2016 #68
the voters decided. I don't think Hillary a gate keeper of any sort much less Gozer Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #134
I voted for Clinton and I like Ghostbusters so... tandem5 Jun 2016 #135
Still a Feminist, With Her tallahasseedem Jun 2016 #24
We don't like Hillary because of her stances on the ISSUES. djean111 Jun 2016 #36
LOL! tallahasseedem Jun 2016 #39
LOL yourself. :-) djean111 Jun 2016 #44
Hillary isn't "for war and fracking and the TPP and cluster bombs and saying no to single payer." pnwmom Jun 2016 #58
I disagree completely. She is a warhawk, she did and does support fracking, she, for ages supported AntiBank Jun 2016 #118
In your politifact quote you left out the part about how restrictive Clinton will be on fracking. pnwmom Jun 2016 #125
Every time I dig into a post like this ismnotwasm Jun 2016 #126
""TPP" likes it's a meme, instead of a complex trade negotiation."<<< just like.... NAFTA AntiBank Jun 2016 #127
So, ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2016 #26
Wouldn't supporting Sanders have required some settling? BainsBane Jun 2016 #86
Of course it would have ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2016 #116
I voted for Bernie gollygee Jun 2016 #28
Good for you (actually GGGGGGREAT) laserhaas Jun 2016 #29
Wow! How eloquently you make your case! HooptieWagon Jun 2016 #32
Feminist to my core. Not with her. Lizzie Poppet Jun 2016 #34
Still with her, still a feminist. PeaceNikki Jun 2016 #35
Yup, not with her. Still a feminist eom Arazi Jun 2016 #38
It is ok to be in the minority, it doesn't really affect most of the middle-aged black women Tarc Jun 2016 #42
I'm a feminist too, and absolutely support Hillary. And I respect your right to support Bernie. nolabear Jun 2016 #43
Yep: there's no single "correct feminist response" to this question. Lizzie Poppet Jun 2016 #47
I'm sorry but they're not all over the map. Feminists are with Hillary. zixiofix Jun 2016 #66
I am a feminist and I am not with Hillary.... Silver_Witch Jun 2016 #72
Hillary's feminist credentials are irrelevant zixiofix Jun 2016 #133
So if Trump were female and Clinton were male, Ms. Toad Jun 2016 #136
long term radical feminist who's sad how profoundly you misunderstand social and economic justice zazen Jun 2016 #96
+1 great post!, so true jack_krass Jun 2016 #141
"no true Scotsman" Lizzie Poppet Jun 2016 #100
The world's first women leaders were from countries not known for feminism IronLionZion Jun 2016 #113
Another hit and run post Andy823 Jun 2016 #46
that person is unable to respond to you. nt geek tragedy Jun 2016 #48
That you compare Clinton to a Cain says all. A lifetime putting in time, effort, $ for women and seabeyond Jun 2016 #49
I see you're still at it bravenak Jun 2016 #51
Well aren't you special...! FrenchieCat Jun 2016 #52
LOL! Squinch Jun 2016 #59
LOL ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2016 #115
Vote for Hitler, I don't care Gomez163 Jun 2016 #53
x1000000 onecaliberal Jun 2016 #54
Thank you, Rebkeh! senz Jun 2016 #60
"Never settle, my dear sisters. Never settle." Well stated ... slipslidingaway Jun 2016 #61
65 year old Fem here, agree with you 100%. 2banon Jun 2016 #62
We're all... LenaBaby61 Jun 2016 #67
left of left liberal, not feeling the bern. tandem5 Jun 2016 #69
I was looking for Warren to get a little more experience in Congress and then George Eliot Jun 2016 #71
I am surfing the same wave... alittlelark Jun 2016 #73
Senior citizen here, 67. A year or so younger than Hillary. SheilaT Jun 2016 #75
Wish I could rec your post 1K times! Well said! n/t woodsprite Jun 2016 #92
Awesomely well said. Thank you. djean111 Jun 2016 #103
in case you missed it.. chillfactor Jun 2016 #76
I don't want a symbol. LWolf Jun 2016 #122
when the convention is over MFM008 Jun 2016 #77
I'm 66, a woman, and completely agree Waiting For Everyman Jun 2016 #80
Elections are a choice BainsBane Jun 2016 #85
I would let a lot slide if Hillary was not such a hawk. tecelote Jun 2016 #94
What if Bernie suspends after the DC primary Tuesday and endorses Hillary? oberliner Jun 2016 #101
I'm not with her, either. I'm still a feminist. LWolf Jun 2016 #102
K&R nt Live and Learn Jun 2016 #104
it's good to remind the establishment there are lots of liberals IronLionZion Jun 2016 #107
Excellent! erlewyne Jun 2016 #114
K & R (nt) harris8 Jun 2016 #119
K&R kadaholo Jun 2016 #121
My dear Rebkeh, I am concerned that feminism will forever be tainted by this campaign Betty Karlson Jun 2016 #123
I agree. nt LWolf Jun 2016 #144
I'm still a feminist too, and nope - gender is not enough. Avalux Jun 2016 #124
Did you support Obama? Whimsey Jun 2016 #128
LOL, this poster is now 'Flagged for review' which I 100% support. Trump is the enemy. Logical Jun 2016 #130
Also a feminist, also not with her Amaril Jun 2016 #131
I applaud your ability to separate being a feminist and being a Clinton supporter. Miles Archer Jun 2016 #138
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jun 2016 #140
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