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In reply to the discussion: Not With Her, Still a Feminist [View all]AntiBank
(1,339 posts)118. I disagree completely. She is a warhawk, she did and does support fracking, she, for ages supported
the TPP and she has said single payer is never going to happen.
Does Hillary Clinton support fracking?
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/apr/13/bernie-s/does-hillary-clinton-support-fracking/
Our ruling
Sanders said that Clinton supported and continues "to support fracking."
As secretary of state, Clinton supported and promoted fracking around the world. As a 2016 candidate, her support comes with conditions such as local choice, stronger environmental regulation and chemicals.
Sanders claim is accurate but needs additional information. We rate it Mostly True.
Sanders said that Clinton supported and continues "to support fracking."
As secretary of state, Clinton supported and promoted fracking around the world. As a 2016 candidate, her support comes with conditions such as local choice, stronger environmental regulation and chemicals.
Sanders claim is accurate but needs additional information. We rate it Mostly True.
Hillary Clintons Energy Initiative Pressed Countries to Embrace Fracking, New Emails Reveal
https://theintercept.com/2016/05/23/hillary-clinton-fracking/
Far from challenging fossil fuel companies, the emails obtained by The Intercept show that State Department officials worked closely with private sector oil and gas companies, pressed other agencies within the Obama administration to commit federal government resources including technical assistance for locating shale reserves, and distributed agreements with partner nations pledging to help secure investments for new fracking projects.
The documents also reveal the departments role in bringing foreign dignitaries to a fracking site in Pennsylvania, and its plans to make Poland a laboratory for testing whether U.S. success in developing shale gas can be repeated in a different country, particularly in Europe, where local governments had expressed opposition and in some cases even banned fracking.
The campaign included plans to spread the drilling technique to China, South Africa, Romania, Morocco, Bulgaria, Chile, India, Pakistan, Argentina, Indonesia, and Ukraine.
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As for warhawk, Iraq, Libya, Syria, etc, enough said. She is a humanitarian bomber, like Power, Albright, Rice, etc. Empiric war projection with bogus altruistic covers.
Democrats, this is why you need to fear Hillary Clinton: The NY Times is absolutely right shes a bigger hawk than the Republicans
http://www.salon.com/2016/04/27/democrats_this_is_why_you_need_to_fear_hillary_clinton_the_ny_times_is_absolutely_right_shes_a_bigger_hawk_than_the_republicanse/
Democratic Presidential candidate Hillary Clinton is even more of a war hawk than her Republican counterparts, the U.S. newspaper of record says in a new report.
How Hillary Clinton Became a Hawk, a long-form article published this week in the New York Times Magazine, details how Clintons hyper-hawkish foreign-policy instincts are bred in the bone, based on what one of her aides calls a textbook view of American exceptionalism.
Clintons extreme belligerence will likely set her apart from the Republican candidate she meets in the general election, the Times explains, noting neither Donald J. Trump nor Senator Ted Cruz of Texas have demonstrated anywhere near the appetite for military engagement abroad that Clinton has.
In the 2016 presidential campaign, the report concludes, Hillary Clinton is the last true hawk left in the race.
The almost 7,000-word piece in the New York Times, which endorsed Clinton, details how, as secretary of state, Clinton pressured President Obama to take more aggressive military action in a variety of conflicts, including Iraq, Afghanistan, Russia, Syria and more.
How Hillary Clinton Became a Hawk, a long-form article published this week in the New York Times Magazine, details how Clintons hyper-hawkish foreign-policy instincts are bred in the bone, based on what one of her aides calls a textbook view of American exceptionalism.
Clintons extreme belligerence will likely set her apart from the Republican candidate she meets in the general election, the Times explains, noting neither Donald J. Trump nor Senator Ted Cruz of Texas have demonstrated anywhere near the appetite for military engagement abroad that Clinton has.
In the 2016 presidential campaign, the report concludes, Hillary Clinton is the last true hawk left in the race.
The almost 7,000-word piece in the New York Times, which endorsed Clinton, details how, as secretary of state, Clinton pressured President Obama to take more aggressive military action in a variety of conflicts, including Iraq, Afghanistan, Russia, Syria and more.
TPP, I am sorry, her recent conditional semi-reversal is well overweighted by her previous fundamental support of it. It is, IMHO, pure political opportunism, and is one of the biggest reasons I was not happy with her as the pick, which I do admit she now is, and I will support her over Trump. That said, I fully expect the TPP to rammed down our throats.
45 times Secretary Clinton pushed the trade bill she now opposes
http://edition.cnn.com/2015/06/15/politics/45-times-secretary-clinton-pushed-the-trade-bill-she-now-opposes/
Chamber of Commerce expects Clinton to support TPP as president
http://digbysblog.blogspot.se/2016/02/chamber-of-commerce-expects-clinton-to.html
If Hillary Clinton is elected president, will she support TPP anyway? Clinton has been pro-"free trade" deals, including very pro-TPP until just recently, when she announced her opposition.
How strong is that opposition? Tom Donohue, chief of the powerful pro-business lobby Chamber of Commerce, thinks it's not very strong at all. He expects, if elected, she will follow her husband's earlier lead (he actually brought that up) and get "practical."
Here's a clip:
This is the essence of money talking about money at a place where money's private jets have gathered (the World Economic Forum at Davos, Switzerland). From the Bloomberg News introduction:
U.S. Chamber of Commerce President and CEO Thomas Donohue discusses his stance and outlook for the Trans-Pacific Partnership deal. He speaks from the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland on "Bloomberg GO."
In the conversation above, note first that the reason he thinks the Senate can't approve TPP until after the election is that too many Republican senators would be made vulnerable by voting to approve it. Before the election those senators couldn't vote for TPP and still preserve their seats. After the election, or in a lame duck session, that restriction is lifted.
In other words, he knows and admits that even Republican voters hate TPP. But the wealthy want it anyway, and they're willing to wait a few months to get it. Even if it wins by "two votes," as he explains above, it still wins, as do they. Second, he thinks Clinton will revert back to the family pattern remember, "two for the price of one" was a Clinton claim and become "practical" once she gains power and frees herself from having to make promises to voters.
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Single payer
Hillary Clinton: Single-payer health care will "never, ever" happen
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/hillary-clinton-single-payer-health-care-will-never-ever-happen/
Just a few days before the Iowa caucuses, Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton stressed to voters in Des Moines just how unfeasible she considers her opponent Bernie Sanders' plan to pursue a single-payer health care system.
"I want you to understand why I am fighting so hard for the Affordable Care Act," she said at Grand View University after hearing from a woman who spoke about her daughter receiving cancer treatment thanks to the health care law. "I don't want it repealed, I don't want us to be thrown back into a terrible, terrible national debate. I don't want us to end up in gridlock. People can't wait!"
She added, "People who have health emergencies can't wait for us to have a theoretical debate about some better idea that will never, ever come to pass."
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Okay... Not sure why because both those statements have been widely reported this week.
Melissa G
Jun 2016
#45
All of us are our own person. But Hillary's achievement IS indisputably historic.
pnwmom
Jun 2016
#55
historic? first Jewish POTUS candidate to nearly win nomination and w/o corporate donations?
zazen
Jun 2016
#91
He will say (as he has all along) that she is better than Trump. Low bar and doesn't make him
Live and Learn
Jun 2016
#109
Maybe she was trying to be subtle, start out slowly and build to a big finish.
NurseJackie
Jun 2016
#25
Don't be ... She's opting for the equally dramatic, alternate ending ...
1StrongBlackMan
Jun 2016
#30
Bull, the OP was in all likelihood targeted. FFR occurs simply by having 2 posts hidden in the same
Live and Learn
Jun 2016
#112
+10,000 Personal attacks are apparently okay for 'her' supporters to use. nt
Live and Learn
Jun 2016
#110
I hear ya. If I haven't had coffee, I have the reading comprehension of a goldfish.
auntpurl
Jun 2016
#22
the voters decided. I don't think Hillary a gate keeper of any sort much less Gozer
Demsrule86
Jun 2016
#134
Hillary isn't "for war and fracking and the TPP and cluster bombs and saying no to single payer."
pnwmom
Jun 2016
#58
I disagree completely. She is a warhawk, she did and does support fracking, she, for ages supported
AntiBank
Jun 2016
#118
In your politifact quote you left out the part about how restrictive Clinton will be on fracking.
pnwmom
Jun 2016
#125
""TPP" likes it's a meme, instead of a complex trade negotiation."<<< just like.... NAFTA
AntiBank
Jun 2016
#127
It is ok to be in the minority, it doesn't really affect most of the middle-aged black women
Tarc
Jun 2016
#42
I'm a feminist too, and absolutely support Hillary. And I respect your right to support Bernie.
nolabear
Jun 2016
#43
long term radical feminist who's sad how profoundly you misunderstand social and economic justice
zazen
Jun 2016
#96
The world's first women leaders were from countries not known for feminism
IronLionZion
Jun 2016
#113
That you compare Clinton to a Cain says all. A lifetime putting in time, effort, $ for women and
seabeyond
Jun 2016
#49
I was looking for Warren to get a little more experience in Congress and then
George Eliot
Jun 2016
#71
My dear Rebkeh, I am concerned that feminism will forever be tainted by this campaign
Betty Karlson
Jun 2016
#123
LOL, this poster is now 'Flagged for review' which I 100% support. Trump is the enemy.
Logical
Jun 2016
#130
I applaud your ability to separate being a feminist and being a Clinton supporter.
Miles Archer
Jun 2016
#138