2016 Postmortem

Todays_Illusion

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83. I will acknowledge that HC is the candidate after the convention, but I don't think I will call it a

Sat Jun 11, 2016, 11:46 AM

Jun 2016

win even then. There was too much manipulation, to many dirty tricks, and the elections themselves raised too many flags, Iowa,Arizona New York, Illinois, Kentucky, Missouri, Nevada, the South and the grand finale, California.

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Even if you cannot vote for Hillary, can you at least acknowledge that she won [View all] theboss Jun 2016 OP

I'd say it's MATHEMATICALLY POSSIBLE that they can't... brooklynite Jun 2016 #1

Deleted. Response to wrong post. pat_k Jun 2016 #9

If you don't include the millions of people whose votes weren't counted, or didn't get to vote... reformist2 Jun 2016 #2

Which cities? metroins Jun 2016 #15

Are you suggestiong that black voters secretly love Bernie? theboss Jun 2016 #22

The complaints were not only about "cities" Armstead Jun 2016 #74

Oh give me a break. There weren't any such millions of votes not counted. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #31

Who didn't get to vote? tarheelsunc Jun 2016 #54

Even if true, in every case Clinton LOST votes Dem2 Jun 2016 #60

Congrats to Hillary and her team. bigwillq Jun 2016 #3

She is still short of the delegate threshold Trajan Jun 2016 #4

she got the most votes and the most delegates. geek tragedy Jun 2016 #7

You're both right in a way. InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2016 #59

It's not over until it is over. tecelote Jun 2016 #78

Same reason Obama and Warren and Merkley geek tragedy Jun 2016 #82

She has. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #32

Dint think you could have summed that up any better. 😂 AgadorSparticus Jun 2016 #52

The rules change when the candidate is a woman. athena Jun 2016 #57

I really doubt that lancer78 Jun 2016 #66

It's easy to find excuses athena Jun 2016 #69

Oh, it is lancer78 Jun 2016 #84

Of course. Lizzie Poppet Jun 2016 #5

I'd say she "won" since that's what officialdom claims Kelvin Mace Jun 2016 #6

Will a polite shrug and "meh" suffice? Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2016 #8

I'll take it theboss Jun 2016 #17

$hillary didn't get more votes because the totals don't include... tandem5 Jun 2016 #10

Can you acknowledge that... pat_k Jun 2016 #11

Sure theboss Jun 2016 #18

I wish that more DUers... pat_k Jun 2016 #25

yes to all of those things. geek tragedy Jun 2016 #24

Deleted. pat_k Jun 2016 #26

What difference does it actually make? Hav Jun 2016 #12

Because you can have your own opinions but not your own facts theboss Jun 2016 #23

You make a good point. Garrett78 Jun 2016 #30

Fact - Hillary is winning, but has not won demwing Jun 2016 #43

Also, I have a question for you: Kelvin Mace Jun 2016 #13

I want Warren as VP theboss Jun 2016 #16

If she causes Trump to have a stroke............... leftofcool Jun 2016 #47

I can't shake the feeling that Warren as VP would be the equivalent of Clinton muzzling her. nt VulgarPoet Jun 2016 #19

I have faith in Warren Kelvin Mace Jun 2016 #28

She Won. floppyboo Jun 2016 #14

Why do you oppose closed primaries but have no problem with the voter suppression known as caucuses? Lord Magus Jun 2016 #34

Yeah, there's nothing more vote-suppressing than a caucus. Garrett78 Jun 2016 #39

I totally oppose caucuses. Are you trying to pick a fight? floppyboo Jun 2016 #49

No, I wasn't. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #85

And I'll take some blame here too - The Primaries vs primaries - can be confused. floppyboo Jun 2016 #87

Shes winning, but hasn't won demwing Jun 2016 #44

Who are you responding to? Maybe you should check first before you type. floppyboo Jun 2016 #50

You're right - I thought I was responding to the OP demwing Jun 2016 #63

hugs floppyboo Jun 2016 #72

No and Hell no. litlbilly Jun 2016 #20

I'll wait to see how the TrustVote lawsuit turns out before I decide. floriduck Jun 2016 #21

Case dismissed. MineralMan Jun 2016 #70

;-)) floriduck Jun 2016 #88

acceptance and acknowledgement are the first steps to recovery. some people never recover because msongs Jun 2016 #27

She won the battle, but won't win the war. azmom Jun 2016 #29

What the hell does that mean? theboss Jun 2016 #33

Means NO demwing Jun 2016 #45

This is what it means Trajan Jun 2016 #81

No, let's not beg the losers for a pat on the head. procon Jun 2016 #35

I agree! leftofcool Jun 2016 #48

No, because I think that what I witnessed was a manipulated outcome and the absence of a big Todays_Illusion Jun 2016 #36

nope. there was fraud, disenfranchisement, and cheating. nt restorefreedom Jun 2016 #37

I acknowledge she won TSIAS Jun 2016 #38

This I like! Silver_Witch Jun 2016 #65

Yes, I do democrattotheend Jun 2016 #40

Nope demwing Jun 2016 #41

You realize that is a LIE, right? Lord Magus Jun 2016 #46

I admit it. And I WILL support her in the general. liberalnarb Jun 2016 #42

Never Pastiche423 Jun 2016 #51

I will acknowledge she has an unsurpassable lead in popular and delegate votes aikoaiko Jun 2016 #53

^this^ floppyboo Jun 2016 #55

I will acknowledge that HC is the candidate after the convention, but I don't think I will call it a Todays_Illusion Jun 2016 #83

I voted for Sanders. And I admit she won fair and square. ButterflyBlood Jun 2016 #56

+1 itsrobert Jun 2016 #58

Sure and plausibly but I think the process sucks so much ass in general that TheKentuckian Jun 2016 #61

Sounds like you're trying to put yourself to sleep. bvf Jun 2016 #62

She won; she got more votes... Silver_Witch Jun 2016 #64

No, she didn't win. Not until the convention. Waiting For Everyman Jun 2016 #67

no and no: she has not won before the unpledged ones cast their votes. Betty Karlson Jun 2016 #68

No.... MrMickeysMom Jun 2016 #71

As soon as she actually has. But that doesn't mean it will have been won fairly. nt Live and Learn Jun 2016 #73

She won. JustABozoOnThisBus Jun 2016 #75

You do know that Bernie won 72% in Washington. pdsimdars Jun 2016 #76

I'll give you that IF you acknowledge that even though he didn't "win"..... Armstead Jun 2016 #77

Sorry, I don't trust anything about our elections any more. kayakjohnny Jun 2016 #79

It is not official laserhaas Jun 2016 #80

"Won" is an evaluation at this point. David__77 Jun 2016 #86