2016 Postmortem

TheKentuckian

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150. Of course not he was on your side ideologically and promoted your people to the plum posts

Sat Jun 11, 2016, 11:53 AM

Jun 2016

We didn't want a Turd Way administration, fought like hell to avoid one and as soon as the voting was done we got one anyway.

Clinton people lost their figurehead from the top post but far from out of power and got an administration in their own mold.

The dynamic is not surprising, what other outcome could be expected? All the capitulation to the TeaPubLieKlans it seems would frustrate everyone but apparently lots are ideologically devoted to "meeting in the middle" and giving in to right wing terrorists throwing tantrums (though quick with the iron heel for liberals making any noise, get tons of brass then).

I was also taken aback some by the comfort with "look forward", it seems a dangerous mentality to have in the situation that would seem to be beyond the left/right paradigm but overall responses are pretty natural.

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Sanders campaign has become a classic example of the phenomenon of "group polarization" [View all] DCBob Jun 2016 OP

Great analysis. NurseJackie Jun 2016 #1

the problem with this, this group believes they represent a majority view because of their elevated beachbum bob Jun 2016 #2

Also like "mob mentality" or "herd mentality". DCBob Jun 2016 #4

Funny, I see the sane thin in Clinton or busters Armstead Jun 2016 #38

I dont think so. DCBob Jun 2016 #40

You are stereotyping again -- Same stuff was said about Obama and his campaign Armstead Jun 2016 #52

As I said in previous post.. there was some of same stuff with Obama 2008. DCBob Jun 2016 #65

That's because there is the same widhunger for substantial change -- It's not just about D v. R Armstead Jun 2016 #69

It is about D vs R. DCBob Jun 2016 #71

If you can;t see what has happened since 1980 I can't help you Armstead Jun 2016 #73

See this.. DCBob Jun 2016 #79

We're holding a conversation in different scattered posts...It gets a little confusing. Armstead Jun 2016 #91

Yeah, but its a good conversation. DCBob Jun 2016 #94

What Bush did to this country can never be allowed to happen again.... kerry-is-my-prez Jun 2016 #96

I was an Independent in the late 90's.. Bush convinced me forever Democrats are the good guys. DCBob Jun 2016 #98

Yes - I felt like I wanted to retch every time I came on here as a Hillary supporter. kerry-is-my-prez Jun 2016 #83

Yes, and look what happened. auntpurl Jun 2016 #70

That's a gross simplification Armstead Jun 2016 #78

No, not mistaking criticism for vilification auntpurl Jun 2016 #82

Of course not he was on your side ideologically and promoted your people to the plum posts TheKentuckian Jun 2016 #150

The far left does have a little problem that way, Hortensis Jun 2016 #146

+1 uponit7771 Jun 2016 #174

I see a tremendous amount of projectionism in that article. Baitball Blogger Jun 2016 #88

The Chicago Tribune didn't write the article, Cass Sunstein did. sufrommich Jun 2016 #93

You're blaming this on the internet, really? Baitball Blogger Jun 2016 #103

Do you think I'm Cass Sunstein? sufrommich Jun 2016 #107

I was under the impression that you posted in support Baitball Blogger Jun 2016 #110

Cass Sunstein is not a woman. DCBob Jun 2016 #121

Or they watch a lot of TV which has been going HARD for Clinton. Ash_F Jun 2016 #197

True.. RW media especially Faux has been pounding her ever since this election began. DCBob Jun 2016 #198

I meant supporting Clinton hard. Barring Fox. Ash_F Jun 2016 #200

"Clinton or bust" was never a thing, which is the whole point. CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #50

You are making the mistake of seeng this as a Tiger Beat Beauty Contest Armstead Jun 2016 #51

Stick to the facts liberalnarb Jun 2016 #172

+1 uponit7771 Jun 2016 #175

I don't think there is such a thing. I think that most of us would have gladly voted for Sanders at kerry-is-my-prez Jun 2016 #95

Clinton or busters? brush Jun 2016 #109

I just made up that term,... Armstead Jun 2016 #117

Not buying it at all. Most Clinton voters are actual Dems who believe in voting blue . . . brush Jun 2016 #136

A well oiled machine is not the same as actually working for people Armstead Jun 2016 #138

Eh, it worked. Try joining it and working within it to change it . . . brush Jun 2016 #143

If one disagrees with something, one has to express disagreement Armstead Jun 2016 #148

Come on. You've lived life. You, just as I have, have learned that the way to get . . . brush Jun 2016 #154

In real life I'm a very nice guy Armstead Jun 2016 #157

I agree with that. Sometimes you have to push, sometimes to yield. brush Jun 2016 #159

Yup. And the Democratic party has been yielding for 25 years bonemachine Jun 2016 #207

I think you have that backwards. The Party fought him swhisper1 Jun 2016 #194

Here are some quotes from Sanders and a links that makes one wonder why ran . . . brush Jun 2016 #201

being a democrat is pointing out corruption, even within a party swhisper1 Jun 2016 #204

Other Dems don't publicly trash the party, maybe their opponent, or the repugs. brush Jun 2016 #205

voice leads to change, silence does not, I would think you would know that swhisper1 Jun 2016 #206

I said work internally within the party. Did you miss that? brush Jun 2016 #210

the movement is against all corruption in DC, not just DNC corruption swhisper1 Jun 2016 #216

Okay, he joined the party. You don't publicly tear down your party . . . brush Jun 2016 #218

Christ, you will never understand. Goodbye, have a nice day swhisper1 Jun 2016 #219

There's no evidence to back that up. TeacherB87 Jun 2016 #151

What group would that be? Lord Magus Jun 2016 #160

I rather think of it as the group that is allergic to corruption. roguevalley Jun 2016 #186

But Hillary's supporters don't fit this model? tecelote Jun 2016 #3

Hillary supporters think and react more individually than Bernie supporters who prefer "groupthink". DCBob Jun 2016 #5

If it makes you feel better to think that, go ahead and delude yourself. tecelote Jun 2016 #8

The difference is... Blanks Jun 2016 #39

Hillary voters see the danger that is Trump. apcalc Jun 2016 #80

That's not true. I have seen hillary supporters repeatedly say they will vote for Bernie if he AgadorSparticus Jun 2016 #139

Ahem, you're agreeing with me. eom Blanks Jun 2016 #155

Just keeping you on your toes! 😜 lol sorry. Supposed to be under a different post upthread.. AgadorSparticus Jun 2016 #156

Thanks... Blanks Jun 2016 #191

I remember at least one who proudly said she would vote for Trump over Sanders mythology Jun 2016 #189

I expect you are right... Blanks Jun 2016 #190

Thats because we're all Communists Armstead Jun 2016 #41

Finally you admitted it! DCBob Jun 2016 #42

yeah I'm also a Scientologist and Moonie on the side Armstead Jun 2016 #47

Some of you have a lot of delusions that you're seen sufrommich Jun 2016 #44

Unlike Clintonites who see themselves as part of the powerful "in crowd" of insiders Armstead Jun 2016 #46

I see myself as a voter,a democratic voter. sufrommich Jun 2016 #48

" I have no delusions that I'm feared by huge swaths of the U.S." tecelote Jun 2016 #53

I can't even respond to such dismissive smug stereotyping nonsense Armstead Jun 2016 #58

Because you meant "vicious cool kids" as a good thing? sufrommich Jun 2016 #62

That was in response to your characterization Armstead Jun 2016 #67

Not quite apcalc Jun 2016 #81

Well said. auntpurl Jun 2016 #84

One can't defeat decades of identification in a single year Armstead Jun 2016 #97

In my opinion, Bernie did not do enough to enfranchise people auntpurl Jun 2016 #99

I said you don''t change Rome in a day... Armstead Jun 2016 #104

You can say it simultaneously, but Bernie didn't really say it at all. auntpurl Jun 2016 #113

You just didn't listen then Armstead Jun 2016 #120

Well, we'll agree to disagree. auntpurl Jun 2016 #122

Armstead your thinking its false division but sometimes its not DLCWIdem Jun 2016 #161

First I am not a Marxist. Second I am well aware that race is not an issue invented for this campaig Armstead Jun 2016 #163

I guess we will just have to agree to disagree DLCWIdem Jun 2016 #168

I agree that economics will not solve all racial problems. Armstead Jun 2016 #185

+1, I said the exact same thing the other day... WS was bad but not the top 5 of PoC and LGBT and.. uponit7771 Jun 2016 #177

Depends on which in crowd one refers to Armstead Jun 2016 #90

+1 uponit7771 Jun 2016 #176

It will never compute... deathrind Jun 2016 #54

You are wrong. Clinton's policies are better than Sanders. Nt seabeyond Jun 2016 #106

I guess if you think deathrind Jun 2016 #114

And this would be the group think. Create a caricature not of fact, to easily tear the person down. seabeyond Jun 2016 #118

I thought Rush already found a secret way in through the Sanders campaign. TeacherB87 Jun 2016 #152

I'll remember you said that when Obama and Clinton hold big rallies Armstead Jun 2016 #56

No doubt they will... the issue will be defeating Trump and the GOP.. a worthy and rational cause. DCBob Jun 2016 #59

Please stop for a moment and think about what you're saying Armstead Jun 2016 #64

Obama was the real deal. Bernie is great but his focus is way off target. DCBob Jun 2016 #68

Okay obviously you are locked into that template Armstead Jun 2016 #72

Yeah, I see the systemic corruption.. anyone can see that. DCBob Jun 2016 #77

That has been said consistently by the Democrats since the rise of the Clintons and DLC Armstead Jun 2016 #85

"Keeping out the GOP" is by far and away the most important issue. DCBob Jun 2016 #87

You have to change the people's minds. That is how real change happens. There's a lot of angry kerry-is-my-prez Jun 2016 #108

What I honestly wish is the Obama had listened more to his "inner Bernie" as President instead of .. Armstead Jun 2016 #112

I can agree with you there. He was too chicken, afraid he would be seen as an "angry black man." kerry-is-my-prez Jun 2016 #140

Can one choose to rip both? I could not stand the Obama adulation and the Dean adulation before kerry-is-my-prez Jun 2016 #131

I have been thinking for myself for 52 years. I have been for Publicly Funded Elections Dustlawyer Jun 2016 #60

Bizarre AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #128

An odd phenomenon, don't you think? Most young democrats rallying round an old, fringe, outsider? lumberjack_jeff Jun 2016 #144

He has tapped into their anger. DCBob Jun 2016 #147

Huh? Did you actually just say all of that? Miles Archer Jun 2016 #179

Of course I didnt mean to imply all Sanders supporters. DCBob Jun 2016 #188

This isn't demonisation. auntpurl Jun 2016 #15

Well said. DCBob Jun 2016 #23

This "cultlike" meme was thrown at supporters of Obama in 2008 too. Armstead Jun 2016 #49

There was some of that.. me included. I thought he was going to save the world. DCBob Jun 2016 #61

I remember that idealism way back then and it didn't make sense, any more than this one. seabeyond Jun 2016 #116

I was hopeful back then. DCBob Jun 2016 #125

Hopeful, sure. I was hoping he would legally go after Bushco though not seeing it. The difference seabeyond Jun 2016 #141

We are all vulnerable to it... Blanks Jun 2016 #43

Yes - I hero- worshipped Clark. I was more susceptible to it when I was young - McGovern and JFK. kerry-is-my-prez Jun 2016 #75

Actually, no. Berners did it to themselves with their behavior. Lil Missy Jun 2016 #145

they aren't getting more extreme treestar Jun 2016 #170

I've been saying this on DU for months now. auntpurl Jun 2016 #6

You were right-on auntie! DCBob Jun 2016 #7

The other point the article mentions auntpurl Jun 2016 #9

Yeah, a bit like the French Revolution.. DCBob Jun 2016 #17

At the end of the process, no one ever passes the purity test auntpurl Jun 2016 #21

"no one ever passes the purity test" sufrommich Jun 2016 #33

Yes, this leads to more polarisation auntpurl Jun 2016 #36

That's been particularly evident the past few days. TwilightZone Jun 2016 #102

PS. Here's my post on it from back in March auntpurl Jun 2016 #11

I didnt see that post back then but you were spot on. DCBob Jun 2016 #19

its not hard to figure it out...the perfect "zealot" mentality and why sanders supporters so beachbum bob Jun 2016 #10

It's important to remember that they aren't "zealots" in their individual selves auntpurl Jun 2016 #13

z***** mentality as a "group"...with a few real z***** mixed in. Pretty normal group behavior beachbum bob Jun 2016 #24

Yes, I think that's a very fair characterisation. nt auntpurl Jun 2016 #26

This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #12

or that Clinton is a captive of the banks, you risk their good will if you disagree. justiceischeap Jun 2016 #14

This is a one-sided and therefore polemic analysis aikoaiko Jun 2016 #16

As I posted earlier Hillary supporters tend to think more individually. DCBob Jun 2016 #20

I also think a lot Hillary's supporters never thought she was the perfect candidate redstateblues Jun 2016 #29

Exactly.. me for one. DCBob Jun 2016 #31

I am gonna miss that guy a lot. He has been an outstanding President redstateblues Jun 2016 #34

Yep.. we all are. DCBob Jun 2016 #37

+1 uponit7771 Jun 2016 #180

+1 CorkySt.Clair Jun 2016 #220

What "extreme degrees"? Name some.The Bernie group sufrommich Jun 2016 #35

For one, mere criticism of a HRC endorsers becomes villianization aikoaiko Jun 2016 #126

this might have been because HC supporters found themselves under attack DLCWIdem Jun 2016 #124

I'm not saying there wasn't polarization, I'm saying by definition it goes in both directions. aikoaiko Jun 2016 #127

Excellent analysis. K & R Surya Gayatri Jun 2016 #18

Definitely fits the berners workinclasszero Jun 2016 #22

K&R betsuni Jun 2016 #25

This isn't about Bernie. it never was. Ruby the Liberal Jun 2016 #27

And the question is: Is the tremendous anger with the "whole DC drama scene" justified and rational? DCBob Jun 2016 #30

The answer to that likely depends on your situation Ruby the Liberal Jun 2016 #45

My company went bankrupt during the recession. DCBob Jun 2016 #57

The idea that someone would borrow $100,000 to get a degree in a field redstateblues Jun 2016 #111

It is a terrifying phenomenon and has led to the truly awful things in history. I am in no Squinch Jun 2016 #28

Group think on a grand scale. DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2016 #32

Oh bullshit. blackspade Jun 2016 #55

His positions are not necessarily extreme.. its his followers. DCBob Jun 2016 #63

The group polarisation has been much less about "pro-Bernie" than about "anti-Hillary" auntpurl Jun 2016 #66

Exactly. The anti Hillary movement took on a life of their own. AgadorSparticus Jun 2016 #149

Minimization through classification... tom-servo Jun 2016 #74

I remember a time when this country respected minority views Baitball Blogger Jun 2016 #76

"minority views" auntpurl Jun 2016 #86

This might come as news to you, but "minority" has legal meaning Baitball Blogger Jun 2016 #89

Yes...and? auntpurl Jun 2016 #92

Well, it is an American legal principle. Baitball Blogger Jun 2016 #100

I am an American. auntpurl Jun 2016 #101

They don't hate Hillary. Baitball Blogger Jun 2016 #105

Oh, they hate her. auntpurl Jun 2016 #115

I've heard some pretty nasty things said by Clinton supporters here Baitball Blogger Jun 2016 #119

How many Clinton supporters have you seen/heard say they'll vote for Trump if Bernie is the nominee? auntpurl Jun 2016 #123

They could be blowing off steam. Baitball Blogger Jun 2016 #129

I don't think it's trivialising the movement at all! auntpurl Jun 2016 #130

Show us one Sanders supporter saying they will vote for Trump AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #132

I don't want to link it directly auntpurl Jun 2016 #134

This OP is a pisspoor exercise in cognitive dissonance AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #133

It is easy to point at Republicans and say, that's polarization, difficult to admit Agnosticsherbet Jun 2016 #135

Nothing wrong with being polarized against neoliberalism & war. PowerToThePeople Jun 2016 #137

There was never anything extreme about Sanders' positions. bluedigger Jun 2016 #142

It not so much Sanders himself, its his supporters who have gone off the deep end. DCBob Jun 2016 #167

We've definitely seen that at DU from Sanders followers. CorkySt.Clair Jun 2016 #153

more dismissive bashing of Sanders supporters. Betty Karlson Jun 2016 #158

I agree with you that the influence of social media is all the difference in modern elections. eastwestdem Jun 2016 #162

Works out the other way as well, Racist, sexist just to name a few what we have been called. insta8er Jun 2016 #164

There is value in group polarization andym Jun 2016 #165

The point of the article is that group polarization.. DCBob Jun 2016 #166

That goes with the territory andym Jun 2016 #169

Taking this sort of editorial seriously requires group polarization Vattel Jun 2016 #171

The author is credible.. worked in the Obama admin. DCBob Jun 2016 #173

Don't worry, I know who Sustein is. Vattel Jun 2016 #178

Sunstein. DCBob Jun 2016 #187

thaks Vattel Jun 2016 #193

K&R I always remember that iceberg photo the Sanders supporters were always waving around Number23 Jun 2016 #181

Yes, we were all chanting, "it's Bernie's turn", "It's time for a socialist in the White House"! brewens Jun 2016 #182

.+1 840high Jun 2016 #183

Nice strawman you've got there. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #184

"I think this dynamic is also tremendously enhanced by social media." Maven Jun 2016 #192

But the "echo chamber" inside the beltway sphincter is no problem, eh? pat_k Jun 2016 #195

I think the author's main point refers to the extreme irrational negative view of Hillary... DCBob Jun 2016 #196

Seems to me he's painting the campaign with a broader brush. pat_k Jun 2016 #202

I think you misinterpret the author's main point. DCBob Jun 2016 #203

Extreme inequality is the driver of extreme viewpoints. Orsino Jun 2016 #199

What a stupid commentary. It much better describes Hillary supporters than Bernie supporters. Live and Learn Jun 2016 #208

I think the author has alot more credibility than you do.. DCBob Jun 2016 #209

I know a lot of stupid people that graduated from elitist schools. Dubya for one. Live and Learn Jun 2016 #212

Comparing this author to Bush?? DCBob Jun 2016 #213

Yeah, that is exactly what I did. Live and Learn Jun 2016 #214

This is spot on MaggieD Jun 2016 #211

Wrong again. nt Live and Learn Jun 2016 #215

This dynamic is not just enhanced by social media, but exploited by it. nt anigbrowl Jun 2016 #217