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Snarkoleptic

(5,996 posts)
17. Good nugget from Huffpo "Stop Calling Yourself ‘Socially Liberal and Fiscally Conservative’"
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 10:14 AM
Jun 2016
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jess-coleman/stop-calling-yourself-socially-liberal-and-fiscally-conservative_b_7155550.html
The terms “social” and “fiscal” rights are better understood by political scientists as “negative” and “positive” rights. Negative rights are those that require no action — the right to free speech, the right to marry, the right to smoke pot are all categorized by the government not doing anything, by leaving you alone. On the other hand, positive rights are those that require the government to take action — the right not to be discriminated against in the workplace, the right to receive health care and food if you cannot afford it, and the right to be compensated if you are injured at work all require the government to step in.

Thus, what the “socially liberal, fiscally conservative” person is really saying is: “I support the plight of the marginalized, so long as I don’t have to do anything about it.”

Yet you cannot support one without the other. Social rights mean nothing without economic rights alongside them. Think of the Civil Rights Movement. We tend to refer to the March on Washington, forgetting that organizers advertised the event as the March on Washington for Jobs and Freedom. Martin Luther King stressed that genuine equality “means economic equality. For we know that it isn’t enough to integrate lunch counters. What does it profit a man to be able to eat at an integrated lunch counter if he doesn’t earn enough money to buy a hamburger and a cup of coffee?”

This sentiment resonates for all marginalized groups. As same-sex marriage was set to head to the Supreme Court, lawyers were not just concerned about securing the right to marry, but also protecting against other forms of discrimination, such as in the workplace. Women, who generally have all the same negative rights as men, are still fighting for wage-equality and maternity leave. In short, you cannot claim to support any form of equality until you support it in all forms. Otherwise, the fight just continues.
Definitely yes for a major role. No to being VP leftofcool Jun 2016 #1
^ This JRLeft Jun 2016 #21
The only reason it lasted so long was that Bernie wasn't willing to admit it was over Renew Deal Jun 2016 #2
This was about much more than winning the nomnation. pangaia Jun 2016 #11
Indeed. The Reluctant Candidate became the Leader of a Movement libdem4life Jun 2016 #35
+ a gazillion. nt Live and Learn Jun 2016 #40
We don't need Bernie! HassleCat Jun 2016 #29
Crap, I actually thought you were one of them saying what they actually felt for a moment. nt Live and Learn Jun 2016 #41
"A self-described Democratic socialist", please can people just grow up ? He's a Socialist loosely OnDoutside Jun 2016 #3
And what are the rest of you, may I ask? highprincipleswork Jun 2016 #5
... NorthCarolina Jun 2016 #6
Grown ups ? :) OnDoutside Jun 2016 #7
You can't be a grownup and a Socialist or the much more moderate Democratic Socialist? highprincipleswork Jun 2016 #8
There's a massive difference between a Democratic Socialist and a Social Democrat. OnDoutside Jun 2016 #13
Fiscally to the right after the shellacking the working, middle, and poverty classes have received stillwaiting Jun 2016 #15
It was mostly a failure of regulation, not only in the US but in Europe and elsewhere. OnDoutside Jun 2016 #18
Retrain my ass. As what? highprincipleswork Jun 2016 #22
Program iPhone apps. seabeckind Jun 2016 #33
Behind your feckless sarcasm, there lies the talent of a gnat. I work OnDoutside Jun 2016 #60
Of course you won't cause you're awesome seabeckind Jun 2016 #62
Well if that's where you store your brains, fair enough OnDoutside Jun 2016 #59
Far left in the Dems? Fuh-King-hell. stillwaiting Jun 2016 #25
Oh boy.... this will be fun... pangaia Jun 2016 #39
Good nugget from Huffpo "Stop Calling Yourself ‘Socially Liberal and Fiscally Conservative’" Snarkoleptic Jun 2016 #17
Perhaps "active" and "passive" rights might be better descriptors. Buns_of_Fire Jun 2016 #24
That's a really fine article. pangaia Jun 2016 #42
Sounds more like a Libertarian to me. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2016 #30
With such a childish post, I doubt it. nt Live and Learn Jun 2016 #43
Better one! rock Jun 2016 #57
Thank you. Saved me the time. LOL !! pangaia Jun 2016 #12
Loyal Democrats here, who appreciate his 93% democratic vote record over the 80% average ancianita Jun 2016 #66
America has elected a Democratic Socialist President before. tecelote Jun 2016 #9
+1 RufusTFirefly Jun 2016 #14
Maybe if Sanders hadn't CALLED himself a Democratic Socialist, his campaign would have gone further brooklynite Jun 2016 #16
FDR was a democrat, not a democratic socialist... dubyadiprecession Jun 2016 #34
You complain about FDR being called a Democratic Socialist... tecelote Jun 2016 #38
FDR would have been surprised to hear you call him that. Zynx Jun 2016 #52
FDR would be horrified to hear how far the Democratic Party has fallen from his values. tecelote Jun 2016 #58
EEEEK!! Socialists!!! Red bait much? Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2016 #19
Could you please describe Far Left Socialist...and then tie it to Bernie? libdem4life Jun 2016 #36
Yeah. I'm still scratching my head over that one. RufusTFirefly Jun 2016 #47
Ya think? libdem4life Jun 2016 #49
Far left Socialists are ideologues who are steadfastly unwilling to compromise and who view OnDoutside Jun 2016 #61
I think you need to do some research about socialism. libdem4life Jun 2016 #64
Still waiting. Lots of judgments, few facts, unless, of course....... libdem4life Jun 2016 #44
Only 2/3 say he should endorse? Interesting. Barack_America Jun 2016 #4
Yes he should have a major role rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #10
I'm not at all sure that this is not kind of the same thing PBO did to HRC libdem4life Jun 2016 #50
Post removed Post removed Jun 2016 #20
Way too old to be VP. nt woolldog Jun 2016 #23
What is too old? Boldine Jun 2016 #28
He would be 75 when his term started. That's too old especially woolldog Jun 2016 #31
Remember when Dems named Warren liasion to liberals? merrily Jun 2016 #26
Think it goes without saying... tarheelsunc Jun 2016 #27
His role should be.. wait for it... dubyadiprecession Jun 2016 #32
I disagree MaggieD Jun 2016 #37
He is the real democrat. pangaia Jun 2016 #45
He is the real socialist MaggieD Jun 2016 #48
Oh, jeeze.. pangaia Jun 2016 #51
Most Democrats are not socialists MaggieD Jun 2016 #55
Terms / history / pangaia Jun 2016 #56
With so many articles pat_k Jun 2016 #46
Where's the actual poll though? There's no link I can find to the actual results to back this up. BobbyDrake Jun 2016 #53
Since the modern primary system started in 1972, he won the most states, 22, of any runner-up. NT Eric J in MN Jun 2016 #54
Careful. There's a victory celebration going on. seabeckind Jun 2016 #63
That's incorrect. Beacool Jun 2016 #65
HRC in 2008 won 20 states plus 3 territories. Eric J in MN Jun 2016 #68
OK, we stand even. Beacool Jun 2016 #69
Major role yes, he needs to be involved like HRC was involved in Obama's administration. Rex Jun 2016 #67
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