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pat_k

(10,882 posts)
53. Of course
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 03:26 PM
Jun 2016

You are, of course, absolutely right. But I fear the power of beltway group think is in the process of burying common sense, once again. Clinton is being pushed to stay on "playbook" and do the "move to the right" thing for the GE. The notion -- that winning means you must give up positions deemed "too left" by the DC brain trust, look 'shifty", and make it clear to voters you have no strength of conviction -- is incredibly irrational, but it's one that is strongly reinforced.

It makes sense to believe the example of the Sanders campaign has put a dent in the notion, but I'm seeing signs of the opposite. There has been a profusion of "Democratic noise machine" efforts to marginalize and write off the Sanders campaign, "put it behind us," or even define it as an illness of sorts. For example, on Friday, Cass Sunstein had this to tell us:

The Sanders campaign has become a classic example of the phenomenon of "group polarization," arguably more so than any campaign in recent memory — even Donald Trump's, which has greatly benefited from the same phenomenon.


Gee, that sure sounds terrible! Sanders people are victims of "group polarization" so bad they're even worse than the Trump people!

The article is devoid of anything that would give the reader an inkling of what the campaign is about. Absolutely no acknowledgment that all those "afflicted" people came together for a purpose worth considering.

What we're up to is pretty simple. We are calling on the nation to recognize its illnesses; we are advocating effective, and available, treatments. That's what we were doing throughout the primary as we worked to get Sanders the nomination. That's what we are continuing to do.

Without acknowledging that the campaign has a message, Sunstein just turns his lens on the group, finds some who hold beliefs he thinks are problematic, and then presents his diagnosis.

Easy peezy. It's not the nation that's ill, it's the Sanders campaign. It's not the nation that needs curing, it's the campaign. By defining the group as being afflicted by a problem that causes extremism, you get to write off the group as a bunch of extremists.

And what's the cure? If the group is the problem, the group needs to go. And if they won't go away on their own, find ways to write them off so you don't need to about think it. If you did think about it, you might need to do a little self-examination.

It's long been a "given" within the beltway that advocating "socialist" notions like universal health care, billionaire’s tax, and so on, is political suicide. The successes of the Sanders campaign constitute overwhelming evidence to the contrary. As you point out, it's not just Sanders voters who would love to see a New, New Deal, Clinton supporters would love it too.

I'm usually not so pessimistic. I like to believe DC Dems are "teachable." But a full court press is on to ignore or misinterpret the significance of what has happened so they can recommit to all their bizzaro world beliefs. It's so much easier in that bizzaro world. You don't need to do much. Anything that looks a bit difficult is deemed a "loser." And you know, if you can't win, you don't fight. That belief is perhaps the number one killer of progress. Clinton is the "preemptive surrender" standard bearer.

Is all hope lost? Of course not. I'm just having a tough time finding the wellspring of hope and confidence within.

Here are some of my favorite quotes. They aren't working for me at the moment, but might help others:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511811478





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Bargaining bravenak Jun 2016 #1
It's not a stage of grief. Ken Burch Jun 2016 #4
She NEEDS his support to win AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #54
He NEEDS her support to see his wishes made real Mr Maru Jun 2016 #57
No, he doesnt AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #67
Yeah, he does. Mr Maru Jun 2016 #68
No, his revolution has nothing to do with her AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #69
Whatever gets you through the day; but yeah. He needs her. Mr Maru Jun 2016 #70
Its a thing of beauty AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #71
it's a thing of beauty Mr Maru Jun 2016 #73
I didn't vote for Sander's platform. I voted for Clinton, and she won my state. shadowandblossom Jun 2016 #2
Thats nice of you FDR_Liberal Jun 2016 #3
45% of the "democratic pary"? And how many times have I heard that so many of the Sanders voters SFnomad Jun 2016 #6
If we are looking at the total electorate, then we are talking about more than 50% probably Ash_F Jun 2016 #13
No, you're not talking about "more than 50% probably" ... Secretary Clinton won ... she got well SFnomad Jun 2016 #18
Doesn't that make them Democrats? Ash_F Jun 2016 #20
If they're still Independents .... no it doesn't n/t SFnomad Jun 2016 #22
I suppose someone can register as a Dem and identify as an indy Ash_F Jun 2016 #23
Then I guess you don't need their votes - right? azurnoir Jun 2016 #48
I think you meant to reply to someone else Ash_F Jun 2016 #64
This message was self-deleted by its author shadowandblossom Jun 2016 #19
The "independents" who vote for Bernie are progressives who feel they have been JDPriestly Jun 2016 #24
We should look at the progressive independents as people who COULD be Democrats Ken Burch Jun 2016 #59
No, it is 45% of the democratic party FDR_Liberal Jun 2016 #25
Oh no. shadowandblossom Jun 2016 #10
If Hillary lost the nomination to Bernie, would you still want her to shape the platform? Cali_Democrat Jun 2016 #41
I would. I truly would. I would want the platform to include the best of her program Ken Burch Jun 2016 #60
OMG can you just imagine for a minute the grave dancing and howls of "YAY! NO MORE OLIGARCHY!" Mr Maru Jun 2016 #61
Yep Cali_Democrat Jun 2016 #63
It's not like he stood for anything you've got any reason to object to. Ken Burch Jun 2016 #5
Most Americans, including myself, did not vote for Sanders nor his platform. shadowandblossom Jun 2016 #11
HRC wasn't nominated to be the enemy of change. n/t. Ken Burch Jun 2016 #15
I'm not having this emotion based argument with you, nor any other. shadowandblossom Jun 2016 #17
Thank you all american girl Jun 2016 #38
Thank you too shadowandblossom Jun 2016 #74
Obama gave her the SOS job she wanted for her endorsement. Dustlawyer Jun 2016 #8
by which you mean Hillary agreed to do the SOS job, doing him an enormous favor. shadowandblossom Jun 2016 #14
Funny how you look at it differently from then to know with very similar circumstances. Dustlawyer Jun 2016 #32
Hillary was a horrible SoS. Kerry and Obama on the other hand have done great things think Jun 2016 #34
You do understand that the SOS works at the pleasure of the President. all american girl Jun 2016 #40
Even more insulting that Obama deliberately made poor choices when he had a female SoS Sheepshank Jun 2016 #46
Try as you might, but it's not gender based. She's a hawk and always has been Ned_Devine Jun 2016 #56
Her hawkishness as SoS (if there even such a thing) was at the will of the president Sheepshank Jun 2016 #62
There is such a thing, and she served as an advisor to our President. She also stovepiped... Ned_Devine Jun 2016 #65
Well, good for you. liberalnarb Jun 2016 #49
Since you voted, the Weathervane has changed Directions AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #72
For someone who lost a primary, his supporters sure feel they are entitled to a lot n/t SFnomad Jun 2016 #7
A lot of HRC supporters have said they agree with Bernie on a lot of the issues. Ken Burch Jun 2016 #26
Why do we need Bernie when we have Warren? Tarc Jun 2016 #9
Warren's endorsement of Hillary Clinton, was, as I remember, not done on the issues. JonLeibowitz Jun 2016 #12
"as I remember" TwilightZone Jun 2016 #33
Because Warren is viewed by many as having sold out? Jackilope Jun 2016 #16
Will you say the same about Sanders when he endorses HRC? n/t BzaDem Jun 2016 #21
I'm sorry, but this post is a sad commentary on the last gasp of the Sanders campaign Tarc Jun 2016 #27
You keep throwing people under the bus in your search for purity. Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #29
Interesting comparison to Occupy Jackilope Jun 2016 #36
He was one of the major candidates for the nomination. liberalnarb Jun 2016 #50
It must be considered that some issues Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #28
I think they should band together in assault weapons and background checks.... bettyellen Jun 2016 #42
Do you create a new one of these OPs every two hours? Clinton economic policies were voted on. seabeyond Jun 2016 #30
She may allow some platitudes in the platform, but you can bet your last dollar that she ... Scuba Jun 2016 #31
We will have to speak louder than all that easy money. Orsino Jun 2016 #43
Eighty gazillion recs, or, better, a couple of million in the streets. Scuba Jun 2016 #44
They already are. The meetings have been going on. NCTraveler Jun 2016 #35
I just want to clarify, I preferred her on the issues.. all american girl Jun 2016 #37
Agreed democrattotheend Jun 2016 #39
Bernie appears to want to dictate his whole platform as "working with" Hillary Sheepshank Jun 2016 #45
If she is going to be the leader of the party liberalnarb Jun 2016 #51
The loser doesn't get to call the shots Sheepshank Jun 2016 #55
You have such an authoritative tone in saying this liberalnarb Jun 2016 #66
Since when did the LOSER in the primary get to set the agenda? I mean, the dude BreakfastClub Jun 2016 #47
Translation: Clinton should step aside and let Sanders have the nomination KingFlorez Jun 2016 #52
Of course pat_k Jun 2016 #53
I support Hillary or Bernie, but I wouldn't mind her championing some of the stuff that he does. qdouble Jun 2016 #58
The DNC needs to listen to Bernie RobertEarl Jun 2016 #75
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