2016 Postmortem

socialist_n_TN

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43. They are monolithic in that they require profit...........

Wed Jun 15, 2016, 11:57 AM

Jun 2016

and not just profit, but ENOUGH profit. Profit is dead capital unless it's reinvested in the productive sectors of the economy that creates jobs for the rest of us. But the only way to make ENOUGH profit is to cut wages and benefits for employees which increases the spiral to the bottom for most of us.

They are not invested in our society. They are invested in a tiny STRATA of our society.
Some have consciences, but most are psychopaths or sociopaths and the ones who aren't are captured by the profit motive.
They think that they will be able to take care of their children and live on this planet just fine no matter what happens BECAUSE THEY ALWAYS HAVE and they're powerful enough to know and believe that they and theirs will survive no matter what.

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I've got a quick (and honest) question for HRC supporters......... [View all] socialist_n_TN Jun 2016 OP

Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2016 #1

It's not just how they voted as Senators. highprincipleswork Jun 2016 #2

IKR? workinclasszero Jun 2016 #5

Wars. Goldman-Sachs. n/t Orsino Jun 2016 #25

There is a 98% similarity between the DNA of humans and chimpanzees. arcane1 Jun 2016 #61

problems that arose over decades won't be fixed overnight. geek tragedy Jun 2016 #3

I don't give a rat's ass about "glamour"....... socialist_n_TN Jun 2016 #29

the reality is our political system, including the constitution, were created to make change geek tragedy Jun 2016 #33

"I'm not convinced that grind it out will work" TwilightZone Jun 2016 #54

And how long have we been "grinding them out"? ThinkCritically Jun 2016 #68

several centuries, actually nt geek tragedy Jun 2016 #69

If my bathroom needs a new sink, I don't build a new house. nt BobbyDrake Jun 2016 #4

well sinking is an important problem with this country,so hollysmom Jun 2016 #6

But we'll always have Slenderman. randome Jun 2016 #9

except, looking at history the exact opposite of that is true. hollysmom Jun 2016 #80

Of course not! You burn it down first ... then you build from the ashes. NurseJackie Jun 2016 #7

Or go try to take over someone else's house because I let mine fall to disrepair... BobbyDrake Jun 2016 #12

Excellent! Nicely done, you! NurseJackie Jun 2016 #15

What if it's collapsing under it's own contradictions........ socialist_n_TN Jun 2016 #24

It's not ... it's just the sink that needs repair. NurseJackie Jun 2016 #51

Just curious, do you believe man contributed to climate change? Is income inequality real? floriduck Jun 2016 #64

By this statement, I gather that you don't think that the problems....... socialist_n_TN Jun 2016 #27

You didn't ask if I thought the problems are very bad. Move your goalposts much? BobbyDrake Jun 2016 #60

So are you going to pick up a hammer or a trowel. A shovel or a wheelbarrow? LuvLoogie Jun 2016 #76

I don't know, I bet that house it ate with termites. Better B Calm Jun 2016 #41

True... bonemachine Jun 2016 #77

US govt is built for incremental change. Separation of powers, president congress judiciary emulatorloo Jun 2016 #8

+1. Agree. No change possible without having Democrats in office. n/t FSogol Jun 2016 #35

Well said. The more liberal the person we elect, the more positive incremental change we will get. pampango Jun 2016 #67

I'll give an honest answer: both justiceischeap Jun 2016 #10

So how do you go about "...holding our politicians' feet to the fire..."?..... socialist_n_TN Jun 2016 #22

I use the LGBTQ community as an example justiceischeap Jun 2016 #53

This is a very hard point to understand about politics rock Jun 2016 #11

Agree with all you wrote. auntpurl Jun 2016 #14

Thanks rock Jun 2016 #16

If I had to guess, you're old too. auntpurl Jun 2016 #17

Bingo rock Jun 2016 #18

And a stalwart Democrat auntpurl Jun 2016 #19

Yep rock Jun 2016 #21

I agree mostly with your first sentence........ socialist_n_TN Jun 2016 #20

Climate change is a brilliant example of the problems we face rock Jun 2016 #36

See any of those leaders around?........ socialist_n_TN Jun 2016 #40

I didn't mean to imply there was a solution rock Jun 2016 #70

See this thread for how it can work: MineralMan Jun 2016 #13

Get back to me with a real solution, not some pipe dream. nt BootinUp Jun 2016 #23

I think we saw what happens with huge change with the ACA ismnotwasm Jun 2016 #26

I prefer making changes to what we know, not risking it all on the chance we build something better. CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #28

And I don't think changes to what we know will be allowed to happen....... socialist_n_TN Jun 2016 #31

Yes, I think the path to progress is slow and step by step Fresh_Start Jun 2016 #30

Why would the people who benefit from the way things are today....... socialist_n_TN Jun 2016 #34

because they are not a monolith Fresh_Start Jun 2016 #39

They are monolithic in that they require profit........... socialist_n_TN Jun 2016 #43

explain the following: Fresh_Start Jun 2016 #57

"wholesale change" usually comes from the end of a gun, by rebels Tarc Jun 2016 #32

The system doesn't allow that......... socialist_n_TN Jun 2016 #37

Sanders positions are not majority positions, otherwise he would have, y'know, won. Tarc Jun 2016 #44

I refer you to the Pew polls on issues........... socialist_n_TN Jun 2016 #49

I refer you to the pledged delegate count and the overall voter count Tarc Jun 2016 #55

People bitch about how bad things are and then sit on their asses workinclasszero Jun 2016 #63

Trending over decades metroins Jun 2016 #38

You are correct of course to a point......... socialist_n_TN Jun 2016 #47

I think you're incorrect metroins Jun 2016 #66

This OP seems to carry the implication that Hillary's platform is just "tweaks around the edges". YouDig Jun 2016 #42

Not really. ALL of the platforms, including Sanders'..... socialist_n_TN Jun 2016 #45

I see. So only the wholesale appropriation of corps. would be seen as adequate change Maru Kitteh Jun 2016 #62

Yes Freddie Stubbs Jun 2016 #46

I disagree.with your premise. nt arely staircase Jun 2016 #48

What premise is that? I didn't state a premise in my question........ socialist_n_TN Jun 2016 #50

What you'd find is that the right kind of small change is enough for too many people... Blanks Jun 2016 #59

To answer yes or no I am agreeing that Democrats represent arely staircase Jun 2016 #71

Change can only happen as quickly as the people allow it to happen. tonyt53 Jun 2016 #52

Sanders is a Worker/Union guy. Hillary is a Management/Corporate gal. libdem4life Jun 2016 #56

honest answer, no such thing as wholesale change in today's world beachbum bob Jun 2016 #58

As a Bernie supporter who will vote for HRC in the general, I say: cloudythescribbler Jun 2016 #65

Our political system does not support sudden change... Adrahil Jun 2016 #72

Both - some can be solved via tweaks others need wholesale change... Native Jun 2016 #73

Depends on the make-up of the new congress. It would be great to be able to make big changes, eastwestdem Jun 2016 #74

Wholesale change is risky. wildeyed Jun 2016 #75

Two things of which I am sure. Tal Vez Jun 2016 #78

First, I think that the solutions offered by the Republicans will make it much worse. Agnosticsherbet Jun 2016 #79