2016 Postmortem

BobbyDrake

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60. You didn't ask if I thought the problems are very bad. Move your goalposts much?

Wed Jun 15, 2016, 11:39 AM

Jun 2016

I thought you were asking an "honest" question, but clearly it was just bait to lure prey for you to attack.

You asked (originally, before you revealed yourself as a bait-and-switcher) if I thought the problems should be addressed by tweaks or major changes. I presented an example in which a single issue (the broken sink) would not be resolved in a better way through major change (buying a new house). The same is true of our government, because we simply can't afford to be endlessly buying new houses all the time.

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I've got a quick (and honest) question for HRC supporters......... [View all] socialist_n_TN Jun 2016 OP

Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2016 #1

It's not just how they voted as Senators. highprincipleswork Jun 2016 #2

IKR? workinclasszero Jun 2016 #5

Wars. Goldman-Sachs. n/t Orsino Jun 2016 #25

There is a 98% similarity between the DNA of humans and chimpanzees. arcane1 Jun 2016 #61

problems that arose over decades won't be fixed overnight. geek tragedy Jun 2016 #3

I don't give a rat's ass about "glamour"....... socialist_n_TN Jun 2016 #29

the reality is our political system, including the constitution, were created to make change geek tragedy Jun 2016 #33

"I'm not convinced that grind it out will work" TwilightZone Jun 2016 #54

And how long have we been "grinding them out"? ThinkCritically Jun 2016 #68

several centuries, actually nt geek tragedy Jun 2016 #69

If my bathroom needs a new sink, I don't build a new house. nt BobbyDrake Jun 2016 #4

well sinking is an important problem with this country,so hollysmom Jun 2016 #6

But we'll always have Slenderman. randome Jun 2016 #9

except, looking at history the exact opposite of that is true. hollysmom Jun 2016 #80

Of course not! You burn it down first ... then you build from the ashes. NurseJackie Jun 2016 #7

Or go try to take over someone else's house because I let mine fall to disrepair... BobbyDrake Jun 2016 #12

Excellent! Nicely done, you! NurseJackie Jun 2016 #15

What if it's collapsing under it's own contradictions........ socialist_n_TN Jun 2016 #24

It's not ... it's just the sink that needs repair. NurseJackie Jun 2016 #51

Just curious, do you believe man contributed to climate change? Is income inequality real? floriduck Jun 2016 #64

By this statement, I gather that you don't think that the problems....... socialist_n_TN Jun 2016 #27

You didn't ask if I thought the problems are very bad. Move your goalposts much? BobbyDrake Jun 2016 #60

So are you going to pick up a hammer or a trowel. A shovel or a wheelbarrow? LuvLoogie Jun 2016 #76

I don't know, I bet that house it ate with termites. Better B Calm Jun 2016 #41

True... bonemachine Jun 2016 #77

US govt is built for incremental change. Separation of powers, president congress judiciary emulatorloo Jun 2016 #8

+1. Agree. No change possible without having Democrats in office. n/t FSogol Jun 2016 #35

Well said. The more liberal the person we elect, the more positive incremental change we will get. pampango Jun 2016 #67

I'll give an honest answer: both justiceischeap Jun 2016 #10

So how do you go about "...holding our politicians' feet to the fire..."?..... socialist_n_TN Jun 2016 #22

I use the LGBTQ community as an example justiceischeap Jun 2016 #53

This is a very hard point to understand about politics rock Jun 2016 #11

Agree with all you wrote. auntpurl Jun 2016 #14

Thanks rock Jun 2016 #16

If I had to guess, you're old too. auntpurl Jun 2016 #17

Bingo rock Jun 2016 #18

And a stalwart Democrat auntpurl Jun 2016 #19

Yep rock Jun 2016 #21

I agree mostly with your first sentence........ socialist_n_TN Jun 2016 #20

Climate change is a brilliant example of the problems we face rock Jun 2016 #36

See any of those leaders around?........ socialist_n_TN Jun 2016 #40

I didn't mean to imply there was a solution rock Jun 2016 #70

See this thread for how it can work: MineralMan Jun 2016 #13

Get back to me with a real solution, not some pipe dream. nt BootinUp Jun 2016 #23

I think we saw what happens with huge change with the ACA ismnotwasm Jun 2016 #26

I prefer making changes to what we know, not risking it all on the chance we build something better. CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #28

And I don't think changes to what we know will be allowed to happen....... socialist_n_TN Jun 2016 #31

Yes, I think the path to progress is slow and step by step Fresh_Start Jun 2016 #30

Why would the people who benefit from the way things are today....... socialist_n_TN Jun 2016 #34

because they are not a monolith Fresh_Start Jun 2016 #39

They are monolithic in that they require profit........... socialist_n_TN Jun 2016 #43

explain the following: Fresh_Start Jun 2016 #57

"wholesale change" usually comes from the end of a gun, by rebels Tarc Jun 2016 #32

The system doesn't allow that......... socialist_n_TN Jun 2016 #37

Sanders positions are not majority positions, otherwise he would have, y'know, won. Tarc Jun 2016 #44

I refer you to the Pew polls on issues........... socialist_n_TN Jun 2016 #49

I refer you to the pledged delegate count and the overall voter count Tarc Jun 2016 #55

People bitch about how bad things are and then sit on their asses workinclasszero Jun 2016 #63

Trending over decades metroins Jun 2016 #38

You are correct of course to a point......... socialist_n_TN Jun 2016 #47

I think you're incorrect metroins Jun 2016 #66

This OP seems to carry the implication that Hillary's platform is just "tweaks around the edges". YouDig Jun 2016 #42

Not really. ALL of the platforms, including Sanders'..... socialist_n_TN Jun 2016 #45

I see. So only the wholesale appropriation of corps. would be seen as adequate change Maru Kitteh Jun 2016 #62

Yes Freddie Stubbs Jun 2016 #46

I disagree.with your premise. nt arely staircase Jun 2016 #48

What premise is that? I didn't state a premise in my question........ socialist_n_TN Jun 2016 #50

What you'd find is that the right kind of small change is enough for too many people... Blanks Jun 2016 #59

To answer yes or no I am agreeing that Democrats represent arely staircase Jun 2016 #71

Change can only happen as quickly as the people allow it to happen. tonyt53 Jun 2016 #52

Sanders is a Worker/Union guy. Hillary is a Management/Corporate gal. libdem4life Jun 2016 #56

honest answer, no such thing as wholesale change in today's world beachbum bob Jun 2016 #58

As a Bernie supporter who will vote for HRC in the general, I say: cloudythescribbler Jun 2016 #65

Our political system does not support sudden change... Adrahil Jun 2016 #72

Both - some can be solved via tweaks others need wholesale change... Native Jun 2016 #73

Depends on the make-up of the new congress. It would be great to be able to make big changes, eastwestdem Jun 2016 #74

Wholesale change is risky. wildeyed Jun 2016 #75

Two things of which I am sure. Tal Vez Jun 2016 #78

First, I think that the solutions offered by the Republicans will make it much worse. Agnosticsherbet Jun 2016 #79