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grantcart

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Wed Jan 18, 2012, 09:14 PM Jan 2012

Gamechanger? ABC News Reports on Romney's extensive holdings in Cayman Islands. [View all]

Last edited Wed Jan 18, 2012, 10:04 PM - Edit history (1)

What will happen to the Republican primary campaign when Newt Gingrich gets his hands on this report just filed by ABC News?

Romney doesn't just have extraordinary wealth in which he pays low taxes but uses accounts in the Cayman Islands to further lower his tax rate. Even without the tax records there exists enough facts in the public record to raise substantial questions about Romney's financial largess and Bain Capital holding 138 'secretive' investment accounts in the Cayman Islands. How will this play in Peoria, or South Carolina?

Edited to add

Down thread thelordofhell asks if the Mormon Church will be upset that they will not get their share. It turns out that Romney used donations of stock to get a double dip benefit to further reduce his tax liability. Article below.




Romney Parks Millions in Cayman Islands

ABC Report with video (very effective)

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/romney-parks-millions-offshore-tax-haven/story?id=15378566#.TxdHq10WXQ6

Although it is not apparent on his financial disclosure form, Mitt Romney has millions of dollars of his personal wealth in investment funds set up in the Cayman Islands, a notorious Caribbean tax haven.

. . .

As the race for the Republican nomination heats up, Mitt Romney is finding it increasingly difficult to maintain a shroud of secrecy around the details about his vast personal wealth, including, as ABC News has discovered, his investment in funds located offshore and his ability to pay a lower tax rate.

. . .


But tax experts tell ABC News there are other reasons Romney may not want the public viewing his returns. As one of the wealthiest candidates to run for president in recent times, Romney has used a variety of techniques to help minimize the taxes on his estimated $250 million fortune. In addition to paying the lower tax rate on his investment income, Romney has as much as $8 million invested in at least 12 funds listed on a Cayman Islands registry. Another investment, which Romney reports as being worth between $5 million and $25 million, shows up on securities records as having been domiciled in the Caymans. Official documents reviewed by ABC News show that Bain Capital, the private equity partnership Romney once ran, has set up some 138 secretive offshore funds in the Caymans.

. . .


Tax experts agree that Romney remains subject to American taxes. But they say the offshore accounts have provided him -- and Bain -- with other potential financial benefits, such as higher management fees and greater foreign interest, all at the expense of the U.S. Treasury. Rebecca J. Wilkins, a tax policy expert with Citizens for Tax Justice, said the federal government loses an estimated $100 billion a year because of tax havens. Blum, the D.C. tax lawyer, said working through an offshore investment vehicle allows the investor to "avoid a whole series of small traps in the tax code that ordinary people would face if they paid tax on an onshore basis."

Wilkins agreed, saying the "primary advantage to setting those funds up in an offshore jurisdiction like the Cayman Islands or Bermuda is it helps the investors avoid tax."



Romney's campaign has responded with "everything Romney has done is legal" which sounds like a non-denial response to the facts. The experts cited explain that even though the rates on income will be the same as the US, Romney may be using other aspects of the Cayman Islands to further reduce tax liabilities, even though it may be legal.


Edited to add that Romney also used stock donations to the Mormon Church to further reduce tax liability


In Bain deals, Romney gave stock to Mormon church


http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/01/19/us-usa-campaign-romney-donations-idUSTRE80H28B20120119?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews&rpc=71


(Reuters) - Using a practice that made him eligible for large tax deductions, Mitt Romney gave the Mormon church substantial stock holdings that he obtained through his private equity firm, according to documents filed with the government and to Romney associates.

The tactic used by Romney to help meet his Mormon obligation of "tithing" - in which members donate 10 percent of their income to the church - is a common way for wealthy Americans to make large donations to charities, tax specialists say.

But against the backdrop of a Republican presidential campaign in which Romney is being pressured to reveal his tax returns and further details on his vast wealth, the donations shed light on the tax strategies of Romney and others at Bain Capital, the private equity firm he co-founded in 1984.

The analysts said that if Romney and others at Bain got a stock cheap and eventually donated it to a church or charity without cashing in the stock, then they could get two tax benefits. First, they would not have to pay capital gains tax on the appreciated value of the stock, which they would have to do if they sold the stock and either pocketed or donated the proceeds. Second, they might be able to deduct all, or at least part of, the value of the donated stock from their taxable income.


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Doubt it bluestateguy Jan 2012 #1
Not going to matter in the GOP primary Proud Liberal Dem Jan 2012 #30
The East Coast Big Money was always behind Romney. But they still need the Cultural Republicans Ikonoklast Jan 2012 #36
Everything Romney has done is legal TheOther95Percent Jan 2012 #2
People who avoid payng taxes in the U.S., no matter how "legal," that is, shouldn't Remember Me Jan 2012 #13
Exactly. People need to see what a elitist scumbag this guy is. He is the .01%. nt Flatulo Jan 2012 #18
its about morality and perception ;) roguevalley Jan 2012 #15
Actually,the ONLY reason to park personal wealth in Cayman is to elehhhhna Jan 2012 #25
And actually, these Republicans have been lecturing us about how the rich may more Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2012 #33
The right will argue Charlemagne Jan 2012 #41
It may be legal, but it isn't ethical. I think Mr 1% has a problem. Major Hogwash Jan 2012 #3
completely agree... salin Jan 2012 #8
"Romney should change his "Believe in America" slogan to "Believe in the Cayman Islands" Pirate Smile Jan 2012 #14
brilliant grantcart Jan 2012 #21
Shouldn't his church be pissed at this? thelordofhell Jan 2012 #4
No he cut them into the whole thing and further reduced his taxes grantcart Jan 2012 #6
Legal and wrong. The 1% (the .001%) get everything. FailureToCommunicate Jan 2012 #5
Kick and REc for visibility BlancheSplanchnik Jan 2012 #7
Lawrence O'Donnell just led with this story. grantcart Jan 2012 #9
Thanks for the heads up! BlancheSplanchnik Jan 2012 #20
One can only hope, grantcart. Ruby the Liberal Jan 2012 #10
Doesn't all this just show that he's a successful rat? Jackpine Radical Jan 2012 #11
Well, when you put it that way . . . siligut Jan 2012 #29
This guy seems to have all kinds of skeletons in his closet Angry Dragon Jan 2012 #12
Mitt is the tip of the iceberg The Wizard Jan 2012 #16
Answer: ALLOF THEM (except maybe Palinm - too dumb)... elehhhhna Jan 2012 #26
Hell I wish I had the money for 138 accounts Fearless Jan 2012 #17
The fact that what he and Bain are doing is "legal" Proud Liberal Dem Jan 2012 #19
There will only be outrage if..... DFW Jan 2012 #22
Regardless,the only reason to open a Caymanian account it TAX AVOIDANCE. elehhhhna Jan 2012 #27
Obviously DFW Jan 2012 #38
Mitt the Tax Cheat, Should be the Democratic talking point MMJjestic Jan 2012 #45
K&R...... cliffordu Jan 2012 #23
talk about gaming the system SemperEadem Jan 2012 #24
mitt romney responds leftyohiolib Jan 2012 #28
The crooked Congress has made what what woud be considered illegal, legal. olegramps Jan 2012 #31
K & R Scurrilous Jan 2012 #32
Thanks grantcart Jan 2012 #34
Mailboxes in the Cayman Islands are people, too Canuckistanian Jan 2012 #35
Romney also needs to disclose his tax returns going back 10 years Cali_Democrat Jan 2012 #37
Holy Tax Dodge, Batman LongTomH Jan 2012 #39
Gee, another president who can make money by dropping our economy DOWN. Festivito Jan 2012 #40
We all know repukes are criminals and it's good to see the evidence just1voice Jan 2012 #42
"when Newt Gingrich gets his hands on this report"? LiberalLovinLug Jan 2012 #43
So it comes down to this.. Cayman bank account versus open marriage. DCBob Jan 2012 #44
It's interesting that both stories are from ABC news... Superpact sculduggery? FailureToCommunicate Jan 2012 #46
Mitt has better things to do with his tax money... Hubert Flottz Jan 2012 #47
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