2016 Postmortem

NorthCarolina

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29. The establishment controls all aspects of the voting process from selecting

Thu Jun 16, 2016, 11:00 AM

Jun 2016

the candidates amenable to their goals, to massaging the poll results and controlling the media message. There will be no revolution as long as we cling to a two party system wherein both parties are manipulated by the same forces.

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What would the US do if we saw this type of exit poll/election result discrepency in Russia? [View all] J_J_ Jun 2016 OP

Way past time to give it up. Bernie lost. tonyt53 Jun 2016 #1

Whether it's Bernie or whomever, what about the discrepancies? n/t RKP5637 Jun 2016 #6

Exit polls are not accurate Txbluedog Jun 2016 #8

They were accurate up until the black boxes started showing up. NWCorona Jun 2016 #10

No, they worked about the same. Igel Jun 2016 #22

Stop trying to confuse us LoverOfLiberty Jun 2016 #65

Yep! There needs to be an audit trail for all voting machines. n/t RKP5637 Jun 2016 #15

US paid for exit polling in Ukraine which led to election being overturned J_J_ Jun 2016 #48

You are wrong... leftinportland Jun 2016 #76

second is the first loser. stonecutter357 Jun 2016 #2

Link? I don't trust state controlled media as much as some here seem to. nt. NCTraveler Jun 2016 #3

2 statisticians (one from Stanford) had the same conclusion. Link goes to .pdf of their analysis. TalkingDog Jun 2016 #59

Not worth it. nt. NCTraveler Jun 2016 #60

Um... did you read the paper? They're saying EXACTLY the same thing TalkingDog Jun 2016 #62

I'll let you think that as you miss what is right in front of you. nt. NCTraveler Jun 2016 #63

Of course they didn't read the paper. intheflow Jun 2016 #67

Not really. There's been little or no independent verification of their data or assertions. TwilightZone Jun 2016 #69

Don't lose mad...just lose. nt LexVegas Jun 2016 #4

The sour grapes revolution continues nt geek tragedy Jun 2016 #5

That it's fixed. 'Course is COULD be that a lot of Clinton voters... Smarmie Doofus Jun 2016 #7

Assume Russian exit polls are as inaccurate rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #9

+1 DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2016 #11

+1 And that's coming from a squirrel! fleabiscuit Jun 2016 #13

Remember rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #18

And find them too !!! DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2016 #20

Nuts do drop all around us that we're constantly ducking and stepping over cautiously. nt fleabiscuit Jun 2016 #27

Discrepancies between exit polls and the official vote count have been used to successfully overturn J_J_ Jun 2016 #50

This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #54

"there is no way to fake that"???? k8conant Jun 2016 #57

Correct rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #64

You say "We will be fine without CT in our party." k8conant Jun 2016 #66

Lol ok! rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #71

A landslide for Clinton? Who cares if the election was fraudulent- Hillary won! J_J_ Jun 2016 #79

This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #80

Oh, we would smugly blame Putin, and even more smugly declare stridently that WE live in a real djean111 Jun 2016 #12

Trump loves his putin too. nt fleabiscuit Jun 2016 #25

What does that have to do with the OP? n/t djean111 Jun 2016 #37

Drumpf still loves a little Putin snooper2 Jun 2016 #47

That the whole OP is ridiculous. nt fleabiscuit Jun 2016 #51

Just interesting conjecture. djean111 Jun 2016 #58

Democracy! rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #34

Exit polls are demographic tools that have been co-opted for "OMG fraud!" CT Godhumor Jun 2016 #14

Exactly eom rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #35

Interesting question to ask while using a graphic sourced by Russian propaganda. JTFrog Jun 2016 #16

Four days... brooklynite Jun 2016 #17

Where do these numbers come from? frazzled Jun 2016 #19

I'd *laugh* at the Russians who believed that exit polls accurately reflected the actual votes! NurseJackie Jun 2016 #21

In Russia, we only have one poll. MyNameGoesHere Jun 2016 #23

We would look into the numbers, but since you couldn't be bothered to provide a link... TwilightZone Jun 2016 #24

One of several things. Igel Jun 2016 #26

This inanity about how Sanders lost reminds me of the flying saucer scares of the 50s. randome Jun 2016 #28

It's only OK to say these things if it's a rethug gaining the upper hand, like bush in 2000 and 2004 ChisolmTrailDem Jun 2016 #32

It's very interesting to see how perception on this issue has shifted here. vintx Jun 2016 #33

Yep. randome was all over the "voting fraud" when it was bush but now it's a different story... ChisolmTrailDem Jun 2016 #39

Of course it's possible. Anything is possible. randome Jun 2016 #40

The only person talking about UFOs here is you. No one else has mentioned them nor do I believe... ChisolmTrailDem Jun 2016 #41

And here I thought Literalism was applicable to Fundy's Only. LanternWaste Jun 2016 #68

The more strident Sanders supporters are starting to sound just like the UFO probe people CorkySt.Clair Jun 2016 #46

And the JFK assassination. And Bigfoot. And the anti-vaxxers. randome Jun 2016 #52

Yes CorkySt.Clair Jun 2016 #53

The establishment controls all aspects of the voting process from selecting NorthCarolina Jun 2016 #29

Exactly right. nt djean111 Jun 2016 #36

To me, the only viable way forward NorthCarolina Jun 2016 #42

I am in. djean111 Jun 2016 #44

I hear you. NorthCarolina Jun 2016 #49

WARNING: this has been posted before and a jury voted 6-1 to hide it. nt ChisolmTrailDem Jun 2016 #30

RT is Vladimir Putin's mouthpiece, not a legitimate source to use on the DU Tarc Jun 2016 #31

It's because Sanders supporters still control DU CorkySt.Clair Jun 2016 #43

We'd check to see if the claim is based on lies -- which appears to be the case with the OP's chart onenote Jun 2016 #38

Well we'd say the "data" are bullshit for a start whatthehey Jun 2016 #45

Isn't that the ADJUSTED exit polls? stillwaiting Jun 2016 #56

Doesn't say so - can you cite the "unadjusted" versions perhaps? whatthehey Jun 2016 #61

ROFL..... It is over, give it up Florencenj2point0 Jun 2016 #55

Our state department uses exit polls to measure the election integrity .... pdsimdars Jun 2016 #70

Many people who claim to be good at math felix_numinous Jun 2016 #72

And again, there was such a divergence of the exit polls from the "reported" totals pdsimdars Jun 2016 #74

Looks like Bernie cheated in Oklahoma. Nye Bevan Jun 2016 #73

Well I would be confused by state run media reporting something negative about the government. Rex Jun 2016 #75

We would say their exit polls suck charlyvi Jun 2016 #77

We should pick nominees based on exit polls damn it!!!! JoePhilly Jun 2016 #78

These claimed discrepancies aren't actually real though. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #81

Fraud is fraud...Hard to believe ANY DU'ers are attempting to justify this... AzDar Jun 2016 #82