2016 Postmortem

Hekate

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107. A poll in California had 60% of Sanders voters saying they'd vote for Hillary in the GE...

Fri Jun 17, 2016, 03:57 AM

Jun 2016

If that holds true across the country, it sounds to me like the majority are actual Democrats making a mature political decision. That means Hillary can also make a mature decision and not bend over backwards trying to woo and win the minority of people who will not vote for her no matter what.

It's only a hostage crisis if both parties agree that it is. If one side (ie Hillary) says, "Thus far and no farther", they can walk away, having offered as many concessions as is reasonable, but no more than that.

So, best case, Hillary proceeds from a position of strength, and goes out to clobber the hell out of Trump and the spineless craven GOP politicians that are currently kissing his butt.

Sanders can fish, cut bait, or please stay out of the way.

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Is this a new precedent? [View all] Sparkly Jun 2016 OP

Only when a woman wins. If she loses she must drop out for unity. Its a fucking disgrace. boston bean Jun 2016 #1

Bullshit. Pure bullshit. Pathetic . CBGLuthier Jun 2016 #4

Then what is the reason? Sparkly Jun 2016 #7

HRC still does not have anything more than "presumptive" status. panader0 Jun 2016 #57

So from now on, nobody concedes and every convention should be contested? Sparkly Jun 2016 #61

He'll concede when the time and the terms are right. panader0 Jun 2016 #63

Ransom Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #82

Need a tissue? panader0 Jun 2016 #83

According to his questionable judgement. kerry-is-my-prez Jun 2016 #91

The outcome remains the same. He lost. Maru Kitteh Jun 2016 #102

That is what Obama had at this time in 08--until the Convention. It is the way it works riversedge Jun 2016 #77

Uh no it isn't. Hillary as much closer and had a better case to fight on. She was ridiculed in the boston bean Jun 2016 #8

She got her deal in June and ran around wrecking the Mideast for 4 years. leveymg Jun 2016 #64

Are you going to vote for her? Sparkly Jun 2016 #70

That will be difficult. That's surely not surprising, is it? nt leveymg Jun 2016 #73

Since none of you will vote for her anyway. I see no reason to continue Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #84

We've survived the self-destructive impulses of the party leadership, and we'll survive her too. leveymg Jun 2016 #87

Did Hillary drop out in February 2008? Thought she defied the press to the glee of her supporters...no? InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2016 #101

Ah, but that was then and this is now and ..... GoneOffShore Jun 2016 #112

total bullshit zonkers Jun 2016 #108

EXACTLY! Squinch Jun 2016 #9

She made that choice. k8conant Jun 2016 #20

It's the right thing to do Sparkly Jun 2016 #23

And if she hadn't?? boston bean Jun 2016 #25

It wouldn't have mattered. k8conant Jun 2016 #31

Bernie is not a Democrat...can't they just kick him out? Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #37

You do realize that it took Hillary 4 days after the last vote was cast to drop out right? NWCorona Jun 2016 #43

Yes. Sparkly Jun 2016 #48

And how long has it been since DC? NWCorona Jun 2016 #49

She had the delegates before DC Sparkly Jun 2016 #76

She never threatened to go to the convention. nt Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #85

Agreed eom rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #51

Yeap, some people still think its the 50s or 60s or some shit uponit7771 Jun 2016 #69

you nailed it! niyad Jun 2016 #88

why you calling the wahmbulance? AntiBank Jun 2016 #92

I believe you're correct. And apparently you've touched a NERVE too! NurseJackie Jun 2016 #114

Oh Grow up for fuck's sake. You people won. Quit your bullshit CBGLuthier Jun 2016 #2

... Agschmid Jun 2016 #14

It was a leave. sheshe2 Jun 2016 #36

#Notshocked Agschmid Jun 2016 #94

Me either. sheshe2 Jun 2016 #95

Apparently not Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #19

Why is it that you can say Clinton won, but Bernie Sanders refuses to say so? nt geek tragedy Jun 2016 #34

you and the jury that left this tripe of yours bigtree Jun 2016 #44

Wow. Sparkly Jun 2016 #78

How very telling, isn't it? And you'll be accused of being a "sore winner" because you didn't Number23 Jun 2016 #100

Then leave. n/t leeroysphitz Jun 2016 #118

Post removed Post removed Jun 2016 #56

the fact that your post was voted to be left speaks volumes Blaukraut Jun 2016 #86

Touchy, touchy...but, then, I'd be hyper-sensitive, too. Must be hard to watch the death throes of Surya Gayatri Jun 2016 #103

The game plan: madamesilverspurs Jun 2016 #3

Perfect... comradebillyboy Jun 2016 #46

Wow, how perfect is that? Every woman recognizes that put-down posture. Surya Gayatri Jun 2016 #104

+1000 nt ProudProgressiveNow Jun 2016 #105

Delusion after delusion from you people. n/t leeroysphitz Jun 2016 #119

hostage, ransom. Autumn Jun 2016 #5

I didn't say ransom. Sparkly Jun 2016 #11

You said "hostage", your buddies are crying ransom. They just go together don't they. nt Autumn Jun 2016 #21

What would you call it? Sparkly Jun 2016 #29

Are there any rules against bringing his policies and ideas G_j Jun 2016 #65

Know how you do that? By talking WITH people instead of AT them. randome Jun 2016 #111

It's called politics tk2kewl Jun 2016 #79

Shall I fetch a pallet of smelling salts? QC Jun 2016 #24

A pallet of smelling salts won't be nearly enough. Make it a boatload Autumn Jun 2016 #40

Here's what I can't figure out -- QC Jun 2016 #58

I'm gonna go with poutrage junkies getting their last fix while they can Autumn Jun 2016 #62

It's a matter of effect. Sparkly Jun 2016 #66

What progress is being held back by insisting, say, QC Jun 2016 #81

spot on nt G_j Jun 2016 #67

Bernie is a disgrace oswaldactedalone Jun 2016 #6

Me too. The last month has been a real disappointment. AgadorSparticus Jun 2016 #124

His place in history is as sore loser. nt LexVegas Jun 2016 #10

This is totally trolling Pharaoh Jun 2016 #12

No, it's a serious question. Sparkly Jun 2016 #16

You act like this is the first time this has ever happened within the party. Exilednight Jun 2016 #52

He ran as a Democrat MyNameGoesHere Jun 2016 #13

A-friggin'-men! All bluster and bombast. Why the hell didn't he run under the auspices of his Surya Gayatri Jun 2016 #106

Clinton is not going to damage her campaign for Bernie BootinUp Jun 2016 #15

It's all gone to his head. He thinks that losing by double digits makes him the most YouDig Jun 2016 #17

Not likely. Squinch Jun 2016 #22

It doesn't matter. His moment is over. Everyone cut to commercial during Squinch Jun 2016 #18

There were no commercials on the live stream k8conant Jun 2016 #26

So he is goint to be a podcast candidate? Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #32

He will no longer be a candidate for the Democratic nomination k8conant Jun 2016 #41

There were on CNN and MSNBC Squinch Jun 2016 #33

That's not what they meant. Every NETWORK covering the stream went to commercial. nt BobbyDrake Jun 2016 #35

Why would I watch it on network? k8conant Jun 2016 #38

OMFG. The willful obtuseness of you. BobbyDrake Jun 2016 #42

Gladly. k8conant Jun 2016 #45

I think it is sad what has happened to Bernie... Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #27

The worst part is that he had a message. I supported much of what he Squinch Jun 2016 #121

He did have a message and had he worked on it instead Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #122

Yes, exactly. Squinch Jun 2016 #123

Bernie believes he's enwhiteled to such behavior. BobbyDrake Jun 2016 #28

"enwhiteled"? Damn, you're a clever little poster aren't you? panader0 Jun 2016 #74

sod off with the disingenuous faux racism interjection AntiBank Jun 2016 #93

I call it democracy. LWolf Jun 2016 #30

That all sounds good LWolf Sparkly Jun 2016 #47

That's the point. LWolf Jun 2016 #54

Right - but Sparkly Jun 2016 #71

And roughly 45% voted for Sanders. Matt_R Jun 2016 #97

The people voted for Hillary ya know NobodyHere Jun 2016 #99

Democracy?? GulfCoast66 Jun 2016 #80

It's not a joke if you have a clue LWolf Jun 2016 #109

I would only suggest.. one_voice Jun 2016 #39

Woohooo! Bernie is awesome. azmom Jun 2016 #50

Bernie relies upon the kindness and tolerance of others. LuvLoogie Jun 2016 #59

Here's how I look at it: ucrdem Jun 2016 #53

It's a tempest! Red Mountain Jun 2016 #55

The party does need a big shake up and brush off the cobwebs Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2016 #60

How many of his supporters will run for office? Whimsey Jun 2016 #68

Looking at their attitudes zero... I would be more surprised if he had 10 people running with uponit7771 Jun 2016 #72

no.....not a new precedent Red Mountain Jun 2016 #75

he wouldn't have gotten even as far as he did, running as an independent. niyad Jun 2016 #89

neither new nor nefarious. politicians always wheel and deal, including with endorsements. unblock Jun 2016 #90

What an odd perspective. I'm more like, "Can't wait to see what these two have scripted next." L. Coyote Jun 2016 #96

It will only become a precedent if the Dems give in. Stay strong DNC!!! Don't give him anything! eastwestdem Jun 2016 #98

A poll in California had 60% of Sanders voters saying they'd vote for Hillary in the GE... Hekate Jun 2016 #107

I can't decide if the best strategy is to kick him out or just ignore him. Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #110

funny... lots of energy spent by HRC supporters as it pertains to 'loser' Bernie... HumanityExperiment Jun 2016 #113

California's election has not yet been officially Certified... KoKo Jun 2016 #115

This is why I sent money to him, even thought I thought Clinton would win. killbotfactory Jun 2016 #116

Not 'till November. n/t leeroysphitz Jun 2016 #117

Bitter winners. GeorgeGist Jun 2016 #120