2016 Postmortem

LWolf

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170. Wow. Okay.

Fri Jun 17, 2016, 07:32 AM

Jun 2016

The neo-liberal takeover of the Democratic Party started, at least as I saw it, with Al From, the DLC (a neo-liberal group) and Bill and Hillary Clinton.

On neo-liberalism:

http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=376
http://www.globalresearch.ca/neoliberalism-and-the-globalization-of-war-americas-hegemonic-project/5531125

On Clinton's neoliberalism:

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2015/03/hillary-clinton-womens-rights-feminism/
http://inthesetimes.com/article/18507/hillary-clinton-democratic-debate-neoliberal
http://www.salon.com/2016/03/20/it_is_urgent_that_shes_stopped_hillary_clintons_nightmare_neoliberalism_and_american_exceptionalism_makes_the_world_a_dangerous_place/
http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-and-why-market-and-wealthy-win-every-time
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/7/19/1403488/-Anti-Capitalist-Meetup-How-Neoliberal-is-Hillary-Clinton

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I feel crazy seeing some of these responses to Bernie's speech. [View all] SpareribSP Jun 2016 OP

Conservatives don't want people engaged and inspired in the political process. arcane1 Jun 2016 #1

Yes, it's strange that we don't just become repubs. nt eastwestdem Jun 2016 #84

Blue dogs.....what's the diff MaeScott Jun 2016 #157

Yep. Neolibs are neolibs and they act a lot like repugs. vintx Jun 2016 #88

You don't have to be a Republican WayBeyondBlue Jun 2016 #101

Yep. We have a LOT of those types in Texas vintx Jun 2016 #133

Need to repost here re: Bernie Supporters Rockyj Jun 2016 #219

Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2016 #103

By keeping a charade going where you if he doesnt get exactly what he wants democrats suck and boston bean Jun 2016 #2

Rabies swhisper1 Jun 2016 #71

Do we still have free speech in this country? Seeinghope Jun 2016 #87

The right to Free Speech WayBeyondBlue Jun 2016 #112

I don't know if we do. I'm too busy reading Wikileaks. roguevalley Jun 2016 #120

Ah, don't worry about Wikileaks WayBeyondBlue Jun 2016 #122

So there you have it! Seeinghope Jun 2016 #143

That's not at all what he is saying but go ahead and keep being ignorant. cui bono Jun 2016 #147

Very good point. Nt ladjf Jun 2016 #166

such anger and hatred, really strange. Warren Stupidity Jun 2016 #173

Strangely true LiberalLovinLug Jun 2016 #189

I've been very puzzled by it as well Scootaloo Jun 2016 #201

FFR says what? Scootaloo Jun 2016 #206

Yes, he also needs to say he supports WhiteTara Jun 2016 #3

Getting people engaged SpareribSP Jun 2016 #7

Yep. What office will you try for? WhiteTara Jun 2016 #95

And, harping endlessly from his morally absolutist and heavily negative high-horse Surya Gayatri Jun 2016 #146

Of course that's not what's happening but don't let that stop your bloviating. cui bono Jun 2016 #148

As one of the blindly devoted, you necessarily have difficulty perceiving Surya Gayatri Jun 2016 #156

Translation: Nobody knows hillarys positions on issues AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #215

Speaking of blindly devoted..... 840high Jun 2016 #228

Why so bitter? GeorgeGist Jun 2016 #175

Not bitter, just disgusted and disheartened. What a base end to an uplifting beginning. Surya Gayatri Jun 2016 #176

They don't see fond of anything to the left of Clinton noiretextatique Jun 2016 #181

If Bernie does not knock this stuff off... Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #11

Are you kidding me? his clout just jumped up quite a bit from his speech.... panader0 Jun 2016 #17

The only channel covering the speech was msnbc woolldog Jun 2016 #44

Younger people don't watch tv elljay Jun 2016 #135

There were 102,000 people watching the podcast. kaiden Jun 2016 #151

It's on YouTube, pops pokerfan Jun 2016 #155

It only had 218,000 users live. Pretty sad turnout for a 'revolution' Maru Kitteh Jun 2016 #187

It did? How so? Lord Magus Jun 2016 #139

It really didn't. nt Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #220

If Hillary doesn't incorporate Bernie's ideas she won't have to work with anyone. cui bono Jun 2016 #149

Why should the winner have to incorporate the loser's ideas? nt Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #174

Because they are better ideas. immoderate Jun 2016 #177

says you Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #221

Because a great number of voters were duped into believing... SMC22307 Jun 2016 #233

The winner's going to need more voters in the general. onyxw Jun 2016 #184

If the ideas were so great...the loser should have won. I disagree with the idea that Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #191

" If the ideas were so great...the loser should have won." bvar22 Jun 2016 #193

The Greens made the argument for months Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #213

That has been debunked for so long, bvar22 Jun 2016 #216

It has never been debunked...most Democrats will tell you Nader is a spoiler. Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #225

Really? Still trying that old and tired meme? cui bono Jun 2016 #231

I cite facts and numbers, and links to sources. bvar22 Jun 2016 #235

Care to argue what was actually in my post? onyxw Jun 2016 #210

Platforms rarely matter. Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #212

I don't believe Bernie can deliver any voters for the general Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #222

Because that's how politics works. Because the Dem Party can't afford to say "fuck you" cui bono Jun 2016 #230

There is time for that, should it be proper, at the convention. HubertHeaver Jun 2016 #26

It needs to happen before the convention WhiteTara Jun 2016 #91

No, it really does not. It will happen in its own good time. Be patient. HubertHeaver Jun 2016 #144

Fine with me but no speech if he does not concede and endorse. nt Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #223

Down the rabbit hole again... 4nic8em Jun 2016 #52

yes she did swhisper1 Jun 2016 #69

And isn't she gracious? But he needs to WhiteTara Jun 2016 #93

Here's a thought... 4nic8em Jun 2016 #111

he said he would work with her on social issues, did you not listen? swhisper1 Jun 2016 #56

working with her is not WhiteTara Jun 2016 #85

why should he support a corporatist? get real. She is everything he is against swhisper1 Jun 2016 #94

You were just complaining that he didn't say he was going to work with her. Scootaloo Jun 2016 #204

He isn't the nominee. There is no "working with her" WhiteTara Jun 2016 #207

You just said he needs to say he will work with her. Post #3 Scootaloo Jun 2016 #208

Scoots, I just edited my post to reflect WhiteTara Jun 2016 #209

He actually did say he's working with clinton to get things done. Scootaloo Jun 2016 #202

His unwillingness to admit to defeat LoverOfLiberty Jun 2016 #4

This. Not admitting the reality of the situation Happenstance24 Jun 2016 #16

What if the people don't care about Bernie SpareribSP Jun 2016 #24

And this person that cares about his platform is eternally grateful for the man and his efforts tk2kewl Jun 2016 #30

True, he's the reason why people are still talking about all this! SpareribSP Jun 2016 #36

+1000 deathrind Jun 2016 #54

Amen. 840high Jun 2016 #96

Here's the thing WayBeyondBlue Jun 2016 #121

Then they Happenstance24 Jun 2016 #34

Ummm tk2kewl Jun 2016 #40

Now that we got the "intellectual" opinion out of the way... -nt- Happenstance24 Jun 2016 #42

Your flat out denial of the viability of all form of economic progressivism deserves nothing more tk2kewl Jun 2016 #47

Is that what I did? Happenstance24 Jun 2016 #50

How do you get "flat out denial of all forms of viable economic progressivism out of that post? brush Jun 2016 #102

Any permutation of the "free stuff" argument is bullshit tk2kewl Jun 2016 #109

Not a good explanation at all. What an inaccurate and overblown charge. brush Jun 2016 #119

This is a very cynical outlook. SpareribSP Jun 2016 #43

Maybe, but a realistic one. Happenstance24 Jun 2016 #49

Only if "realistic" means "I've given up on seeing resources allocated for anything but militarism" villager Jun 2016 #51

Well Happenstance24 Jun 2016 #61

It's not all or nothing. But yes, militarism drastically rethought (as it will be by mid-century's villager Jun 2016 #63

America ALREADY pays more for healthcare than anywhere else for goodness sake! Kentonio Jun 2016 #192

fine with me to reduce our role in the world. They arent because we do it all for them swhisper1 Jun 2016 #64

right ! swhisper1 Jun 2016 #77

Yes, and it will take TIME. Duval Jun 2016 #217

Sanders has explained lastone Jun 2016 #45

Yes he has.. Happenstance24 Jun 2016 #53

And when those plans were analyzed they were found wanting mythology Jun 2016 #125

And you're candidate lastone Jun 2016 #137

You do realize that WayBeyondBlue Jun 2016 #127

thats what he's hoping for. I am working for the platform, not a man swhisper1 Jun 2016 #97

+1 uponit7771 Jun 2016 #48

oh Christ swhisper1 Jun 2016 #57

Reality, like sniper fire,is in the eye of the beholder. nt peace13 Jun 2016 #108

No. LWolf Jun 2016 #23

+1 Jackilope Jun 2016 #27

I reject your revolution LoverOfLiberty Jun 2016 #28

Clearly. LWolf Jun 2016 #32

You slander LoverOfLiberty Jun 2016 #35

What's with the neo-liberal diss? Clinton is not calling for austerity. brush Jun 2016 #115

Wow. Okay. LWolf Jun 2016 #170

Actually I was referring to austerity here in the US. brush Jun 2016 #172

Actually, I was referring to neo-liberalism, LWolf Jun 2016 #182

I'm not that confident. The debates clearly showed Sanders is not strong in that area. brush Jun 2016 #185

That's not what I saw nor heard. nt LWolf Jun 2016 #186

the party is dying, we want to save it swhisper1 Jun 2016 #99

No, its not dying LoverOfLiberty Jun 2016 #116

Our point, I think, is that WayBeyondBlue Jun 2016 #129

blinded by the pink swhisper1 Jun 2016 #78

+100 Duval Jun 2016 #218

No character flaw. A very intelligent man. bkkyosemite Jun 2016 #58

and yet he can't admit defeat LoverOfLiberty Jun 2016 #62

You want that from him....but millions don't...I'm sorry bkkyosemite Jun 2016 #76

You overestimate your numbers LoverOfLiberty Jun 2016 #81

You underestimate ....I am truly sorry. bkkyosemite Jun 2016 #118

Millions voted for him. Millions donated to him. TDale313 Jun 2016 #130

Rereading my response LoverOfLiberty Jun 2016 #131

I am not delusional...such vitriol bkkyosemite Jun 2016 #224

Not directed at you in the slightest. TDale313 Jun 2016 #229

Millions want him to deny reality? Lord Magus Jun 2016 #140

rabies swhisper1 Jun 2016 #73

Welcome to the Neoliberal Democratic Party. Beowulf Jun 2016 #5

He is self-righteous. madaboutharry Jun 2016 #6

+1 oswaldactedalone Jun 2016 #9

Honestly, I don't think that would work. SpareribSP Jun 2016 #14

No it's not a complete turnaround. He said all along he'd support the nominee. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #141

right swhisper1 Jun 2016 #74

No, what is important is changing the system, endorsing the status quo is accepting Autumn Jun 2016 #138

Oh gawd no. That can't happen. He's not going to sell out and endorse someone who represents cui bono Jun 2016 #150

I don't know what made me think of it but how far can someone stuff their head up thier own . . . pdsimdars Jun 2016 #161

Only to peopel who never valued the message anyway Scootaloo Jun 2016 #205

No he is not Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #8

"I have no idea what he is up to." panader0 Jun 2016 #19

I get the impression that many of the Hillary acolytes elljay Jun 2016 #136

The Republicans I know are gleeful about Bernie's behavior. Nonhlanhla Jun 2016 #10

Of course they are. Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #13

"somebody needs to push him out"... who would that be? panader0 Jun 2016 #75

not helping trump at all swhisper1 Jun 2016 #105

+1000 n/t Triana Jun 2016 #12

At least he's consistent in his wishes and demands. Frustratedlady Jun 2016 #15

.+1 840high Jun 2016 #104

A lot of noise and false outrage to distract from the truth of the matter. Skwmom Jun 2016 #18

what truth is that? swhisper1 Jun 2016 #80

yeah.. that's what they're about, it would seem 2banon Jun 2016 #20

Who's mad ? Trajan Jun 2016 #21

Agreed - And I Have The Following Observation..... global1 Jun 2016 #22

Did it occur to you that maybe Hillary supporters like Hillary's ideas? YouDig Jun 2016 #38

You Need To Put Your Hate For Bernie To A Better Purpose.... global1 Jun 2016 #41

I didnt hear any ideas or actual policy except war swhisper1 Jun 2016 #86

Great post, thanks. nt 2cannan Jun 2016 #39

+1 SpareribSP Jun 2016 #46

What did he do to "lead them into the Democratic Party"? brooklynite Jun 2016 #25

Besides that his whole speech and the web page he set up SpareribSP Jun 2016 #33

I can see your point. apcalc Jun 2016 #29

He needs to endorse Hillary and join forces against Trump. YouDig Jun 2016 #31

he wont endorse her but will join against Trump swhisper1 Jun 2016 #92

If he doesn't endorse than we don't need him. Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #160

I agree! A Little Weird Jun 2016 #37

it was flawless and to the point, no promises, just factuals problems in the country and swhisper1 Jun 2016 #55

He did not concede. He did not endorse. He is going to the convention. bkkyosemite Jun 2016 #60

of coarse he is, to present the voice of americans swhisper1 Jun 2016 #65

The only "young people" ... NanceGreggs Jun 2016 #59

Rabies is still beating down civil discussion here swhisper1 Jun 2016 #67

I really don't see that. SpareribSP Jun 2016 #70

By telling those "new voters" ... NanceGreggs Jun 2016 #152

He never said only he can change things. SpareribSP Jun 2016 #178

"All About Bernie from the get-go" Jokerman Jun 2016 #188

He's fight for the working people, poor, students, elderly and veterans. onecaliberal Jun 2016 #66

It's what I want. We 840high Jun 2016 #107

and hill fans put fingers in their ears LA LA LA LA LA LA. pansypoo53219 Jun 2016 #68

^^^^^^^^^^^ Amen! ^^^^^^^^^^^ pdsimdars Jun 2016 #162

You're asking them to be reasonable, just not possible for them. litlbilly Jun 2016 #72

Evidently it is unreasonable for losing candidates to concede defeat. LonePirate Jun 2016 #82

rabies, man its thick in here, all these "can't" ers swhisper1 Jun 2016 #106

I put them all on Ignore long ago, and add the new ones as I see them BernieforPres2016 Jun 2016 #79

I don't necessarily just like a pro-Bernie echo chamber also, honestly. SpareribSP Jun 2016 #89

I am not interested in an echo chamber either BernieforPres2016 Jun 2016 #98

Exactly. I prefer discussion, but at SOME point you have to accept reality, and that is pdsimdars Jun 2016 #163

I've formed an aversion to yapping dogs. I was going to comment on your patience and tact, you wear swhisper1 Jun 2016 #113

The last thing those currently running the party want dflprincess Jun 2016 #83

this is very true swhisper1 Jun 2016 #114

He made it all about him Whimsey Jun 2016 #90

A couple things. SpareribSP Jun 2016 #100

.that^ 840high Jun 2016 #110

Couple more things Whimsey Jun 2016 #123

I think we agree SpareribSP Jun 2016 #128

Well I am a pay as you go type of girl Whimsey Jun 2016 #132

I think this is a good discussion! SpareribSP Jun 2016 #134

Real equality Whimsey Jun 2016 #142

The funds were going back to the DNC to help pay for the database pnwmom Jun 2016 #154

People who take "talking points" as if they are facts are pretty clueless. pdsimdars Jun 2016 #167

Millions fewer people agree with Bernie's positions on the issues than with Hillary's. pnwmom Jun 2016 #153

oh please, revisionist history does not sell here, try elsewhere for an audience swhisper1 Jun 2016 #117

Revisionist how? Whimsey Jun 2016 #124

That is just an empty talking point. He said it wasn't about him and all of his supporters pdsimdars Jun 2016 #164

"she was the first first lady who husband wanted her by his side because he trusted her judgment" SMC22307 Jun 2016 #234

The rightwingers posting -- and posing -- here as "Undergrounders" have no other gear villager Jun 2016 #126

I think he could help and probably isn't hurting Dem2 Jun 2016 #145

Except he's not leading them into the Democratic Party. baldguy Jun 2016 #158

This young person Sunsky Jun 2016 #159

then what are you doint here typing? Get out there on the streets and talk to people! pdsimdars Jun 2016 #168

Clinton supporters care only about Mrs Clinton Doctor_J Jun 2016 #165

Here you go, . .. . .the visual pdsimdars Jun 2016 #169

Sanders talks AT people instead of WITH them. randome Jun 2016 #171

A speech is a pretty one-sided affair noiretextatique Jun 2016 #180

It explains his lack of success other than at the margins during 25 years in the Senate. randome Jun 2016 #183

"Elizabeth Warren has had more success than Sanders." ??? bvar22 Jun 2016 #194

It's in the eye of the beholder, of course. Not everything can be quantified. randome Jun 2016 #195

...and my opinion differs. bvar22 Jun 2016 #197

They are mad just because it's Bernie noiretextatique Jun 2016 #179

OMG really? Ugh... vintx Jun 2016 #211

The most level-headed Clinton supporters SheenaR Jun 2016 #190

Right, Bernie made it clear SpareribSP Jun 2016 #200

+1 cui bono Jun 2016 #232

what revolution? zappaman Jun 2016 #196

Yeah sure. And that would be why Bernie supporters threaten non support. Makes sense. Not. MichiganVote Jun 2016 #198

This has nothing to do with his speech? SpareribSP Jun 2016 #199

Personally, I've asked many Bernie supporters WhiteTara Jun 2016 #203

I'm an active participant in my local environmental group. riderinthestorm Jun 2016 #226

Activism is really great WhiteTara Jun 2016 #227

Many of the people denigrating the course he is taking now... pat_k Jun 2016 #214