2016 Postmortem

Beacool

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96. That will be up to the party and Hillary.

Fri Jun 17, 2016, 03:29 PM

Jun 2016

I doubt that Sanders will be denied his moment in the sun, even if a concession has to be pried out of him with pliers. Neither Hillary nor the party want to lose the voters who supported Sanders. They are needed, not just to win the presidency, but also to retake the Senate, add more seats in the House and elect Democrats at the state level.

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If Bernie does not concede and endorse Hillary, then he does not get to speak at the convention. [View all] Yavin4 Jun 2016 OP

K & R BootinUp Jun 2016 #1

Just make Bernie wear a large scarlet "L". gordianot Jun 2016 #2

Is that for his supporters, because everyone else knows it ? OnDoutside Jun 2016 #135

Your choice very close to half the Democratic Party. gordianot Jun 2016 #136

If the 'L' fits ... OnDoutside Jun 2016 #137

Better than an "A" (not Hawthorne's original meaning) gordianot Jun 2016 #140

The OP doesn't sound good to me at all. Hortensis Jun 2016 #166

Is this a rule they actually have, ZombieHorde Jun 2016 #3

No rule, but Hillary, as the presumptive nominee, controls the convention. Yavin4 Jun 2016 #4

Maybe. ZombieHorde Jun 2016 #16

Preventing someone from basically calling you a corrupt corporatist at your BootinUp Jun 2016 #19

He's not going to do that. ZombieHorde Jun 2016 #28

So how about a preview? lol. BootinUp Jun 2016 #34

Ha! ZombieHorde Jun 2016 #38

sure he would Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #81

My ouji board says otherwise. ZombieHorde Jun 2016 #105

We shall see. Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #143

I loved the first one but I don't think I saw 2 yet. ZombieHorde Jun 2016 #168

I love your change picture Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #144

Thank you. :) ZombieHorde Jun 2016 #169

You must be so proud to support someone... peace13 Jun 2016 #76

Enjoy reading your favorite propaganda, matters not to me. nt BootinUp Jun 2016 #79

! kayakjohnny Jun 2016 #158

I call BS. Got a link to a quote from Bernie? merrily Jun 2016 #176

It's more a matter of Sanders' immaturity and lack of graciousness if he doesn't concede . . . brush Jun 2016 #110

Link? Are you a friend of Hillary's? floriduck Jun 2016 #69

To the victor goes the responsibility... Orsino Jun 2016 #75

No, If Benie doesn't concede by then Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #82

Well, we'll see how badly our candidates want to make it work. Orsino Jun 2016 #174

This isn't a good negotiating strategy anigbrowl Jun 2016 #164

The latter. Warren Stupidity Jun 2016 #12

Several Democrats have been on the cable networks saying the same thing. eastwestdem Jun 2016 #22

Actually, the roll call and delegate voting is usually done on the penultimate evening SFnomad Jun 2016 #45

She wasn't a candidate at that point. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #60

She may have "dropped out" of the race, but she was still a candidate SFnomad Jun 2016 #65

She had conceded and endorsed so she was not a candidate...thus Bernie Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #83

if there are multiple candidates seeking the nomination, they each get 20 minutes geek tragedy Jun 2016 #51

Sorry...that does not apply when she has the majority of pledged delegates...if there was a tie Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #85

well, since she controls a majority of delegates she can make the rules what she wants them to be geek tragedy Jun 2016 #88

Good point Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #146

Thanks. :) nt ZombieHorde Jun 2016 #102

No concession then no speech. Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #80

The delegates need to vote before she can be anything more than the presumptive nominee. panader0 Jun 2016 #101

Then I guess Bernie does not speak. Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #120

Let them vote but keep in mind...he can't speak before they vote as he is a candidate Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #147

It's protocol. No candidates still vying for the nomination gets to speak before the vote. Fla Dem Jun 2016 #177

You don't get to decide. Fozzledick Jun 2016 #5

I don't but Hillary does. Yavin4 Jun 2016 #7

Is that your idea of democracy? Fozzledick Jun 2016 #13

Yes. She won a clear majority of the delegates over 50+ primaries and caucuses n/t Yavin4 Jun 2016 #26

What's that got to do with supressing free speech and dissent? Fozzledick Jun 2016 #39

Oh for god's sake. This isn't a free speech issue mythology Jun 2016 #87

Don't bother: They will NEVER hear you! Chasstev365 Jun 2016 #116

Apparently, a dictator is ok, so long as he/she is democratically* elected? reformist2 Jun 2016 #66

Saddam routinely got 100% of the vote. Jester Messiah Jun 2016 #154

Absolutely yes... Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #86

It's normal and customary. Every other runner-up has conceded. brush Jun 2016 #112

Who's denying them the right to vote? brooklynite Jun 2016 #11

Isn't that the whole point of pushing for a concession before the vote? Fozzledick Jun 2016 #18

Nope...they'll still do the full roll call. brooklynite Jun 2016 #25

So why all the hysteria whining for Bernie to drop out? Fozzledick Jun 2016 #35

Hillary @ 57:10 says it all. Pure class. She's an inspiration to me and millions of others. grossproffit Jun 2016 #84

His delegates will be counted. The issue is a speaking gig Agnosticsherbet Jun 2016 #109

Threats and intimidation don't work with Bernie and his supporters. He has a backbone and is not a imagine2015 Jun 2016 #6

It's not a threat. It's what happens. Yavin4 Jun 2016 #8

And Yavin4 is not the nominee Scootaloo Jun 2016 #141

"weak candidate"... brooklynite Jun 2016 #30

"weak candidate" TwilightZone Jun 2016 #36

+1! KPN Jun 2016 #50

What does that make Bernie if such a weak candidate Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #121

Some folks will only be happy if he grovels and apologizes. Orsino Jun 2016 #9

it's not groveling to acknowledge arithmetic nt geek tragedy Jun 2016 #37

You are right under ordinary circumstances. Buty these aren't ordinary KPN Jun 2016 #58

he was not almost successful, and showing grace and maturity is not groveling. geek tragedy Jun 2016 #63

Grace and maturity? Listen ... KPN Jun 2016 #165

The Hillarians here at DU will settle for nothing less than Senator Sanders... Raster Jun 2016 #46

Concede and endorse or at least concede...get it over. nt Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #107

Groveling would help of course...pleading piteously too...some sobbing...yeah that would work. nt Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #148

Ha ha... ymetca Jun 2016 #10

I hear the rules are such that those still in the race cannot speak at the Convention Sheepshank Jun 2016 #14

I heard several Dem leaders say the same thing. nt Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #124

Conceding alone is not enough? Sivart Jun 2016 #15

Senator Sanders has not conceded or even acknowledged that Secretary Clinton has won nt geek tragedy Jun 2016 #43

I did not claim that he had.... Sivart Jun 2016 #47

people who refuse to support the nominee in the general election don't get speaking spots geek tragedy Jun 2016 #53

That would be perfectly fine with me...... Sivart Jun 2016 #57

that's fine, no one's forcing him to endorse, he probably won't, and she doesn't need geek tragedy Jun 2016 #59

But Sanders is not demanding a speaking spot sans endorsement...... Sivart Jun 2016 #62

so we all agree then, no endorsement, no concession, no convention speech geek tragedy Jun 2016 #64

No clue how you got that from what I wrote, but whatever..... Sivart Jun 2016 #67

not concerned, just pissed off at his selfish behavior nt geek tragedy Jun 2016 #70

Selfish because he wont endorse???? Sivart Jun 2016 #72

selfish because he can't even bring himself to acknowledge geek tragedy Jun 2016 #74

I don't think that is the case at all...... Sivart Jun 2016 #90

That's the point, you haven't heard one word from him about the people who voted for Clinton. geek tragedy Jun 2016 #93

Your statement is verifiably false. Sivart Jun 2016 #95

he mentions women and African-Americans as causes, but not as voters nt geek tragedy Jun 2016 #97

Example, please??? Sivart Jun 2016 #100

He has not conceded. Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #149

Interesting noiretextatique Jun 2016 #17

How would you like a convention walk-out of 2,000 if he isn't allowed to speak in prime-time? imagine2015 Jun 2016 #20

let em walk out. and good riddance. bernie can still vote billions for his war machine corporate msongs Jun 2016 #24

If that happens, alternate delegates will take their places. MineralMan Jun 2016 #48

Alternate delegates who would all be very loyal Bernie alternate delegates. w4rma Jun 2016 #91

Perhaps. Where feasible, alternates are selected who MineralMan Jun 2016 #94

I seriously doubt that would happen Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #108

Sez who? You? Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2016 #21

Says the nominee Yavin4 Jun 2016 #33

Is that a rule? Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2016 #44

You want to provide a link to back up your assertion? Raster Jun 2016 #118

I agree. Adrahil Jun 2016 #23

He Also Needs to Reaffirm his Long Term Commitment to the Democratic Party Stallion Jun 2016 #27

You run the convention now, huh? You make the rules? Raster Jun 2016 #29

How un-Democratic. Why do you fear him speaking. Democrats should not support rhett o rick Jun 2016 #31

people who refuse to support the nominee in the general election don't get speaking slots geek tragedy Jun 2016 #55

What the.... Worldly Traveler Jun 2016 #71

keep on telling yourself that nt geek tragedy Jun 2016 #73

I didnt realize we had so many ranking members of the DNC on DU. bunnies Jun 2016 #32

Demanding and endorsement completely negates the meaning of the endorsement Sivart Jun 2016 #40

Fucking brilliant! 99Forever Jun 2016 #41

Fortunately, not your call.... blackspade Jun 2016 #42

I think he should suspend, not conceed. God knows if she will survive Trumps onslaught swhisper1 Jun 2016 #49

Bernie will never be the candid te...and it is he who could not survive Trump. nt Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #150

Speaking roles are for team players. NurseJackie Jun 2016 #52

Oh the nastiness. To what end? And the illusions of power. Is this what we get with Hillary and highprincipleswork Jun 2016 #54

why would Bernie want to speak? other than cheerleading aganst Trump, what would he say? swhisper1 Jun 2016 #56

Thanks, Debbie. Or whoever you are. Boss of all things. JackRiddler Jun 2016 #61

I missed the link for this. Please forward. floriduck Jun 2016 #68

either bernie is a true Democrat or he is not.... chillfactor Jun 2016 #77

I vote not based on the bunker basement podcast and Weaver's remarks. Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #151

Says you? ThinkCritically Jun 2016 #78

So this is some bullshit rule you just made up I assume? nt Logical Jun 2016 #89

No. The convention belongs to the presumptive nominee hack89 Jun 2016 #113

Nope ,you said "then he does not get to speak at the convention", not Hillary. ???? Logical Jun 2016 #139

Hillary speaks when she gives her acceptance speech hack89 Jun 2016 #171

It would just be the same old speech anyway. He could have said anything new yesterday TeamPooka Jun 2016 #92

That will be up to the party and Hillary. Beacool Jun 2016 #96

who? zappaman Jun 2016 #98

Good luck with your fantasy AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #99

Thank you bravenak Jun 2016 #103

I don't think he cares about speaking there or not. Qutzupalotl Jun 2016 #104

I think he cares about making a speech with wall to wall coverage that he does not have to pay for. Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #123

He's spoken at debates, but is now looking for action Qutzupalotl Jun 2016 #153

I missed the announcement where you are head of the DNC or Hillary's election committee. HERVEPA Jun 2016 #106

Hey Debbie? Zat you? d_legendary1 Jun 2016 #111

Hillary's rep has replaced Debbie- remember? hack89 Jun 2016 #115

The nominee controls the convention not the DNC chair. Yavin4 Jun 2016 #125

I know nt hack89 Jun 2016 #172

lol YOU have no say in the matter. I betchya 10 bucks he DOES speak with or WITHOUT leeroysphitz Jun 2016 #114

He won't Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #126

It IS unprecedented for this situation MFM008 Jun 2016 #117

Conventions have become a 4 day political ad Yavin4 Jun 2016 #119

This is why I say no speech and no visible role Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #129

And he shouldn't be allowed to caucus with Democrats in the Senate XRubicon Jun 2016 #122

I agree...he won't be any use anyway...because he will be a sore loser there too. Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #131

Some of you will not be happy until he prostrates himself fully on the floor and kisses her CBGLuthier Jun 2016 #127

Kissing feet would probably work ...I won't hold out for the ass. I believe in compromise. nt Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #152

Sure, just like the examples set by totalitarian Central Party Committees, et al bobthedrummer Jun 2016 #128

I don't care about what he did in your state...he lost in mine Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #130

Civil War then is ok with you? bobthedrummer Jun 2016 #132

The point is this is not horseshoes Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #142

Hyperbole much! Yavin4 Jun 2016 #133

It seems an apt comparison to many of US in Wisconsin, old friend. n/t bobthedrummer Jun 2016 #134

I'm not sure he has a "right" to speak at the convention either way. Its an invitation only thing. aikoaiko Jun 2016 #138

I head on several talk shows that if he does not concede and endorse... Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #156

Bwahaha... B Calm Jun 2016 #145

And I thought Republicans were selfish. Hotler Jun 2016 #155

They are. Hillary supporters are fair however and classy as is our candidate who has been very Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #159

....... Hotler Jun 2016 #161

Yeah, says you. Jester Messiah Jun 2016 #157

What if 2000+ delegates walk out? nt Smarmie Doofus Jun 2016 #160

Bernie doesn't even have 1900 delegates. He's not going to be anywhere near 2000. SaschaHM Jun 2016 #162

You will lose all leverage and may force Hillary to move further right to make up for the loss. Yavin4 Jun 2016 #167

Ed Rendell, convention host, has said just as much. SaschaHM Jun 2016 #163

Let him bablle at some pigeons in the park if he can't keep his word. Maru Kitteh Jun 2016 #170

Trump needs to concede if he wants to speak Gothmog Jun 2016 #173

New rule: anonymous Internet posters don't get to invent new rules. n/t Orsino Jun 2016 #175

It's not a new rule. It's standard. Yavin4 Jun 2016 #178

Our presumptive nominee is smarter than that, and not as petty. n/t Orsino Jun 2016 #180

... 2banon Jun 2016 #179

If Sanders doesn't speak at the convention... Chan790 Jun 2016 #181

Who says so? You? You arranging who speaks and who doesn't? that's a made up fantasy pdsimdars Jun 2016 #182