2016 Postmortem

Orsino

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174. Well, we'll see how badly our candidates want to make it work.

Sat Jun 18, 2016, 09:15 AM

Jun 2016

The revenge fantasies involving a naked Sanders being dragged through the streets of Philly are about as unlikely as those of a Sanders strapped with explosives demanding DWS' head and two national health services to be named later.

I think we'll find we end up with a more progressive platform and a whole lot of Sanders supporters buying Clinton bumper stickers, because Clinton is smart enough to woo the demographics she wants to win bigger.

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If Bernie does not concede and endorse Hillary, then he does not get to speak at the convention. [View all] Yavin4 Jun 2016 OP

K & R BootinUp Jun 2016 #1

Just make Bernie wear a large scarlet "L". gordianot Jun 2016 #2

Is that for his supporters, because everyone else knows it ? OnDoutside Jun 2016 #135

Your choice very close to half the Democratic Party. gordianot Jun 2016 #136

If the 'L' fits ... OnDoutside Jun 2016 #137

Better than an "A" (not Hawthorne's original meaning) gordianot Jun 2016 #140

The OP doesn't sound good to me at all. Hortensis Jun 2016 #166

Is this a rule they actually have, ZombieHorde Jun 2016 #3

No rule, but Hillary, as the presumptive nominee, controls the convention. Yavin4 Jun 2016 #4

Maybe. ZombieHorde Jun 2016 #16

Preventing someone from basically calling you a corrupt corporatist at your BootinUp Jun 2016 #19

He's not going to do that. ZombieHorde Jun 2016 #28

So how about a preview? lol. BootinUp Jun 2016 #34

Ha! ZombieHorde Jun 2016 #38

sure he would Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #81

My ouji board says otherwise. ZombieHorde Jun 2016 #105

We shall see. Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #143

I loved the first one but I don't think I saw 2 yet. ZombieHorde Jun 2016 #168

I love your change picture Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #144

Thank you. :) ZombieHorde Jun 2016 #169

You must be so proud to support someone... peace13 Jun 2016 #76

Enjoy reading your favorite propaganda, matters not to me. nt BootinUp Jun 2016 #79

! kayakjohnny Jun 2016 #158

I call BS. Got a link to a quote from Bernie? merrily Jun 2016 #176

It's more a matter of Sanders' immaturity and lack of graciousness if he doesn't concede . . . brush Jun 2016 #110

Link? Are you a friend of Hillary's? floriduck Jun 2016 #69

To the victor goes the responsibility... Orsino Jun 2016 #75

No, If Benie doesn't concede by then Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #82

Well, we'll see how badly our candidates want to make it work. Orsino Jun 2016 #174

This isn't a good negotiating strategy anigbrowl Jun 2016 #164

The latter. Warren Stupidity Jun 2016 #12

Several Democrats have been on the cable networks saying the same thing. eastwestdem Jun 2016 #22

Actually, the roll call and delegate voting is usually done on the penultimate evening SFnomad Jun 2016 #45

She wasn't a candidate at that point. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #60

She may have "dropped out" of the race, but she was still a candidate SFnomad Jun 2016 #65

She had conceded and endorsed so she was not a candidate...thus Bernie Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #83

if there are multiple candidates seeking the nomination, they each get 20 minutes geek tragedy Jun 2016 #51

Sorry...that does not apply when she has the majority of pledged delegates...if there was a tie Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #85

well, since she controls a majority of delegates she can make the rules what she wants them to be geek tragedy Jun 2016 #88

Good point Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #146

Thanks. :) nt ZombieHorde Jun 2016 #102

No concession then no speech. Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #80

The delegates need to vote before she can be anything more than the presumptive nominee. panader0 Jun 2016 #101

Then I guess Bernie does not speak. Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #120

Let them vote but keep in mind...he can't speak before they vote as he is a candidate Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #147

It's protocol. No candidates still vying for the nomination gets to speak before the vote. Fla Dem Jun 2016 #177

You don't get to decide. Fozzledick Jun 2016 #5

I don't but Hillary does. Yavin4 Jun 2016 #7

Is that your idea of democracy? Fozzledick Jun 2016 #13

Yes. She won a clear majority of the delegates over 50+ primaries and caucuses n/t Yavin4 Jun 2016 #26

What's that got to do with supressing free speech and dissent? Fozzledick Jun 2016 #39

Oh for god's sake. This isn't a free speech issue mythology Jun 2016 #87

Don't bother: They will NEVER hear you! Chasstev365 Jun 2016 #116

Apparently, a dictator is ok, so long as he/she is democratically* elected? reformist2 Jun 2016 #66

Saddam routinely got 100% of the vote. Jester Messiah Jun 2016 #154

Absolutely yes... Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #86

It's normal and customary. Every other runner-up has conceded. brush Jun 2016 #112

Who's denying them the right to vote? brooklynite Jun 2016 #11

Isn't that the whole point of pushing for a concession before the vote? Fozzledick Jun 2016 #18

Nope...they'll still do the full roll call. brooklynite Jun 2016 #25

So why all the hysteria whining for Bernie to drop out? Fozzledick Jun 2016 #35

Hillary @ 57:10 says it all. Pure class. She's an inspiration to me and millions of others. grossproffit Jun 2016 #84

His delegates will be counted. The issue is a speaking gig Agnosticsherbet Jun 2016 #109

Threats and intimidation don't work with Bernie and his supporters. He has a backbone and is not a imagine2015 Jun 2016 #6

It's not a threat. It's what happens. Yavin4 Jun 2016 #8

And Yavin4 is not the nominee Scootaloo Jun 2016 #141

"weak candidate"... brooklynite Jun 2016 #30

"weak candidate" TwilightZone Jun 2016 #36

+1! KPN Jun 2016 #50

What does that make Bernie if such a weak candidate Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #121

Some folks will only be happy if he grovels and apologizes. Orsino Jun 2016 #9

it's not groveling to acknowledge arithmetic nt geek tragedy Jun 2016 #37

You are right under ordinary circumstances. Buty these aren't ordinary KPN Jun 2016 #58

he was not almost successful, and showing grace and maturity is not groveling. geek tragedy Jun 2016 #63

Grace and maturity? Listen ... KPN Jun 2016 #165

The Hillarians here at DU will settle for nothing less than Senator Sanders... Raster Jun 2016 #46

Concede and endorse or at least concede...get it over. nt Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #107

Groveling would help of course...pleading piteously too...some sobbing...yeah that would work. nt Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #148

Ha ha... ymetca Jun 2016 #10

I hear the rules are such that those still in the race cannot speak at the Convention Sheepshank Jun 2016 #14

I heard several Dem leaders say the same thing. nt Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #124

Conceding alone is not enough? Sivart Jun 2016 #15

Senator Sanders has not conceded or even acknowledged that Secretary Clinton has won nt geek tragedy Jun 2016 #43

I did not claim that he had.... Sivart Jun 2016 #47

people who refuse to support the nominee in the general election don't get speaking spots geek tragedy Jun 2016 #53

That would be perfectly fine with me...... Sivart Jun 2016 #57

that's fine, no one's forcing him to endorse, he probably won't, and she doesn't need geek tragedy Jun 2016 #59

But Sanders is not demanding a speaking spot sans endorsement...... Sivart Jun 2016 #62

so we all agree then, no endorsement, no concession, no convention speech geek tragedy Jun 2016 #64

No clue how you got that from what I wrote, but whatever..... Sivart Jun 2016 #67

not concerned, just pissed off at his selfish behavior nt geek tragedy Jun 2016 #70

Selfish because he wont endorse???? Sivart Jun 2016 #72

selfish because he can't even bring himself to acknowledge geek tragedy Jun 2016 #74

I don't think that is the case at all...... Sivart Jun 2016 #90

That's the point, you haven't heard one word from him about the people who voted for Clinton. geek tragedy Jun 2016 #93

Your statement is verifiably false. Sivart Jun 2016 #95

he mentions women and African-Americans as causes, but not as voters nt geek tragedy Jun 2016 #97

Example, please??? Sivart Jun 2016 #100

He has not conceded. Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #149

Interesting noiretextatique Jun 2016 #17

How would you like a convention walk-out of 2,000 if he isn't allowed to speak in prime-time? imagine2015 Jun 2016 #20

let em walk out. and good riddance. bernie can still vote billions for his war machine corporate msongs Jun 2016 #24

If that happens, alternate delegates will take their places. MineralMan Jun 2016 #48

Alternate delegates who would all be very loyal Bernie alternate delegates. w4rma Jun 2016 #91

Perhaps. Where feasible, alternates are selected who MineralMan Jun 2016 #94

I seriously doubt that would happen Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #108

Sez who? You? Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2016 #21

Says the nominee Yavin4 Jun 2016 #33

Is that a rule? Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2016 #44

You want to provide a link to back up your assertion? Raster Jun 2016 #118

I agree. Adrahil Jun 2016 #23

He Also Needs to Reaffirm his Long Term Commitment to the Democratic Party Stallion Jun 2016 #27

You run the convention now, huh? You make the rules? Raster Jun 2016 #29

How un-Democratic. Why do you fear him speaking. Democrats should not support rhett o rick Jun 2016 #31

people who refuse to support the nominee in the general election don't get speaking slots geek tragedy Jun 2016 #55

What the.... Worldly Traveler Jun 2016 #71

keep on telling yourself that nt geek tragedy Jun 2016 #73

I didnt realize we had so many ranking members of the DNC on DU. bunnies Jun 2016 #32

Demanding and endorsement completely negates the meaning of the endorsement Sivart Jun 2016 #40

Fucking brilliant! 99Forever Jun 2016 #41

Fortunately, not your call.... blackspade Jun 2016 #42

I think he should suspend, not conceed. God knows if she will survive Trumps onslaught swhisper1 Jun 2016 #49

Bernie will never be the candid te...and it is he who could not survive Trump. nt Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #150

Speaking roles are for team players. NurseJackie Jun 2016 #52

Oh the nastiness. To what end? And the illusions of power. Is this what we get with Hillary and highprincipleswork Jun 2016 #54

why would Bernie want to speak? other than cheerleading aganst Trump, what would he say? swhisper1 Jun 2016 #56

Thanks, Debbie. Or whoever you are. Boss of all things. JackRiddler Jun 2016 #61

I missed the link for this. Please forward. floriduck Jun 2016 #68

either bernie is a true Democrat or he is not.... chillfactor Jun 2016 #77

I vote not based on the bunker basement podcast and Weaver's remarks. Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #151

Says you? ThinkCritically Jun 2016 #78

So this is some bullshit rule you just made up I assume? nt Logical Jun 2016 #89

No. The convention belongs to the presumptive nominee hack89 Jun 2016 #113

Nope ,you said "then he does not get to speak at the convention", not Hillary. ???? Logical Jun 2016 #139

Hillary speaks when she gives her acceptance speech hack89 Jun 2016 #171

It would just be the same old speech anyway. He could have said anything new yesterday TeamPooka Jun 2016 #92

That will be up to the party and Hillary. Beacool Jun 2016 #96

who? zappaman Jun 2016 #98

Good luck with your fantasy AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #99

Thank you bravenak Jun 2016 #103

I don't think he cares about speaking there or not. Qutzupalotl Jun 2016 #104

I think he cares about making a speech with wall to wall coverage that he does not have to pay for. Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #123

He's spoken at debates, but is now looking for action Qutzupalotl Jun 2016 #153

I missed the announcement where you are head of the DNC or Hillary's election committee. HERVEPA Jun 2016 #106

Hey Debbie? Zat you? d_legendary1 Jun 2016 #111

Hillary's rep has replaced Debbie- remember? hack89 Jun 2016 #115

The nominee controls the convention not the DNC chair. Yavin4 Jun 2016 #125

I know nt hack89 Jun 2016 #172

lol YOU have no say in the matter. I betchya 10 bucks he DOES speak with or WITHOUT leeroysphitz Jun 2016 #114

He won't Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #126

It IS unprecedented for this situation MFM008 Jun 2016 #117

Conventions have become a 4 day political ad Yavin4 Jun 2016 #119

This is why I say no speech and no visible role Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #129

And he shouldn't be allowed to caucus with Democrats in the Senate XRubicon Jun 2016 #122

I agree...he won't be any use anyway...because he will be a sore loser there too. Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #131

Some of you will not be happy until he prostrates himself fully on the floor and kisses her CBGLuthier Jun 2016 #127

Kissing feet would probably work ...I won't hold out for the ass. I believe in compromise. nt Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #152

Sure, just like the examples set by totalitarian Central Party Committees, et al bobthedrummer Jun 2016 #128

I don't care about what he did in your state...he lost in mine Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #130

Civil War then is ok with you? bobthedrummer Jun 2016 #132

The point is this is not horseshoes Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #142

Hyperbole much! Yavin4 Jun 2016 #133

It seems an apt comparison to many of US in Wisconsin, old friend. n/t bobthedrummer Jun 2016 #134

I'm not sure he has a "right" to speak at the convention either way. Its an invitation only thing. aikoaiko Jun 2016 #138

I head on several talk shows that if he does not concede and endorse... Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #156

Bwahaha... B Calm Jun 2016 #145

And I thought Republicans were selfish. Hotler Jun 2016 #155

They are. Hillary supporters are fair however and classy as is our candidate who has been very Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #159

....... Hotler Jun 2016 #161

Yeah, says you. Jester Messiah Jun 2016 #157

What if 2000+ delegates walk out? nt Smarmie Doofus Jun 2016 #160

Bernie doesn't even have 1900 delegates. He's not going to be anywhere near 2000. SaschaHM Jun 2016 #162

You will lose all leverage and may force Hillary to move further right to make up for the loss. Yavin4 Jun 2016 #167

Ed Rendell, convention host, has said just as much. SaschaHM Jun 2016 #163

Let him bablle at some pigeons in the park if he can't keep his word. Maru Kitteh Jun 2016 #170

Trump needs to concede if he wants to speak Gothmog Jun 2016 #173

New rule: anonymous Internet posters don't get to invent new rules. n/t Orsino Jun 2016 #175

It's not a new rule. It's standard. Yavin4 Jun 2016 #178

Our presumptive nominee is smarter than that, and not as petty. n/t Orsino Jun 2016 #180

... 2banon Jun 2016 #179

If Sanders doesn't speak at the convention... Chan790 Jun 2016 #181

Who says so? You? You arranging who speaks and who doesn't? that's a made up fantasy pdsimdars Jun 2016 #182