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7. We've heard the "social issues are a distraction" lecture

Reply to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #6)

Sun Jun 19, 2016, 10:50 AM

Jun 2016

before from Paleo Leftists.

It's a failed ideology.

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This primary solidified the Log-Cabinization of the Social Left [View all] Prism Jun 2016 OP

I'm sure people appreciate you mansplaining/whitesplaining how their civil rights geek tragedy Jun 2016 #1

+ 1 JoePhilly Jun 2016 #3

You're automatically disqualified Prism Jun 2016 #4

+1 JimDandy Jun 2016 #13

+1 nt lumberjack_jeff Jun 2016 #14

Pretty horrifying the post you're responding to. cali Jun 2016 #16

Testify Prism. kr PufPuf23 Jun 2016 #34

How appropriate that the first response you got tabasco Jun 2016 #39

+ 100 TheFarseer Jun 2016 #107

+1000 nt Live and Learn Jun 2016 #161

I don't know how you managed to miss the OP's point so completely. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2016 #6

We've heard the "social issues are a distraction" lecture geek tragedy Jun 2016 #7

But what you place in quotation marks is not what Prism said at all, it's your characterization Bluenorthwest Jun 2016 #19

I'm laughing my ass off Prism Jun 2016 #90

I love you for this response. Chan790 Jun 2016 #155

Bet you cannot see yourself in a mirror. eom PufPuf23 Jun 2016 #36

"Democratic" vampire? nt VulgarPoet Jun 2016 #173

This is interesting. Do you notice they are now Squinch Jun 2016 #82

can't avoid the sneering "pet issue" comment though. geek tragedy Jun 2016 #110

Yes. Because we are right up there with the pets. And they STILL don't see it. Squinch Jun 2016 #125

Really, that's what you took from that? Prism Jun 2016 #84

Clearly, Geek read it. Chan790 Jun 2016 #156

A "Failed Ideology"???? bvar22 Jun 2016 #98

Isn't it something that cannabis_flower Jun 2016 #147

It's befuddling to me. Chan790 Jun 2016 #157

...yes and that's the position you staked-out against the argument Prism made. Chan790 Jun 2016 #153

The person you are replying to systematically uses that strawman to avoid talking about AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #69

The OPs point is an overt strawman, that's why it's "missed" uponit7771 Jun 2016 #185

Wow nailed it. CorkySt.Clair Jun 2016 #21

Exactly, geek. +1. Squinch Jun 2016 #43

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Armstead Jun 2016 #49

Yup La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2016 #65

Post removed Post removed Jun 2016 #86

Wtf does that even mean? La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2016 #92

That you're a WOC and LGBT so toe the line? obamanut2012 Jun 2016 #102

It was such a random threat just to a 'yup' La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2016 #104

I think you have a fan. Squinch Jun 2016 #130

i need fewer of these fans La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2016 #134

Yes. That was weird. Squinch Jun 2016 #135

especially after someone sent me that email warning me not to criticize white men La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2016 #136

Oh, shit. I had not heard of the doxxing. I am so sorry that happened. Squinch Jun 2016 #137

ugh, yeah. had to change my phone number and everything. super annoying. La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2016 #138

I'm so sorry. Squinch Jun 2016 #139

thanks. the internet is very hostile to women and POC who are critical of whiteness and maleness La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2016 #140

Yes. And it's frightening to think that people are sick enough to do that. Squinch Jun 2016 #143

That is sick and scary. Mr Maru Jun 2016 #179

"Mansplaining" is a strawman AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #66

You got it. workinclasszero Jun 2016 #74

it never occurs to Paleo Socialists that maybe geek tragedy Jun 2016 #79

Which part would you like to debate? Prism Jun 2016 #89

Same argument, different words. If they don't get it after all this time, and after their Squinch Jun 2016 #131

JFC I know obamanut2012 Jun 2016 #87

And then some. Starry Messenger Jun 2016 #93

He had me at "Brocialism? Fuck you." lumberjack_jeff Jun 2016 #108

Spot on geek t.!! riversedge Jun 2016 #141

Nailed it on the first fucking post Number23 Jun 2016 #145

Tragedy, you SUPPORT the neoliberal economics. You SUPPORT the TPP. w4rma Jun 2016 #152

Thank you! The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2016 #2

Yes, the problem is that it's under inclusive of geek tragedy Jun 2016 #5

You got it backwards. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2016 #8

Some are more unequal than others. geek tragedy Jun 2016 #10

"One size fits all socialism is an obsolete and failed ideology." Surya Gayatri Jun 2016 #17

Nader's "gonadal politics" is still the mentality with some nt geek tragedy Jun 2016 #18

'paleo socialist' is the 'insulting' 'talking point' of the day from the establishment camp* Viva_La_Revolution Jun 2016 #38

Tell that to Sweden, Finland, Denmark - it's not failed at all adigal Jun 2016 #174

the Scandinavian countries do not have the same problems geek tragedy Jun 2016 #176

What problems are you referring to? nt adigal Jun 2016 #177

historic levels of violence, legacy of slavery and apartheid, vast geographic size, geek tragedy Jun 2016 #178

The south does seem to be a sticking point in all of the ways you mentioned adigal Jun 2016 #180

the goals aren't generally disputed, it's how to achieve those goals. geek tragedy Jun 2016 #181

Guess what, we all fucking know that... Adrahil Jun 2016 #71

The OP's point seems to be that women & PoC & LGBT should ignore their civil rights issues and... Lord Magus Jun 2016 #114

That's not what the OP is saying. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2016 #116

The "pet issues" line shows that's EXACTLY what the OP is saying. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #117

I get that you don't get it... Chan790 Jun 2016 #160

It's a vile slam against anyone who thinks civil rights could be more important than economic issues Lord Magus Jun 2016 #165

Civil Rights ARE an Economic Issue and a Social Issue. bvar22 Jun 2016 #171

Read it again. It IS what the OP is saying. Squinch Jun 2016 #132

Making things up... tonedevil Jun 2016 #9

It's basically a "straw man" method of argument The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2016 #23

Well now... tonedevil Jun 2016 #24

"Maybe it's more like dishonesty." The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2016 #25

Let me womansplain to you. This old Latina is telling that old white man what is important to me, Autumn Jun 2016 #60

The fact you think that's what I said says two things Prism Jun 2016 #91

In this primary season, economic injustice became "That White Male Thing!" Alex4Martinez Jun 2016 #11

I was going to explain this for the 2342343242th time forjusticethunders Jun 2016 #20

You're sort of proving the point Scootaloo Jun 2016 #54

Do you think smugly lecturing people of color is an effective geek tragedy Jun 2016 #73

I don't think you get to talk about "smugly lecturing," Geek Scootaloo Jun 2016 #149

"Pet issues" was rather curious verbiage, no? nt geek tragedy Jun 2016 #150

Not if you read the entire piece Scootaloo Jun 2016 #151

"Pet issues" is never not used dismissively nt geek tragedy Jun 2016 #158

I'm getting that you don't get who is being dismissed by its use in this case. Chan790 Jun 2016 #162

They don't get it. rhett o rick Jun 2016 #148

exactly right. nt lumberjack_jeff Jun 2016 #12

really thoughtful post. thanks. cali Jun 2016 #15

Recommended. Autumn Jun 2016 #22

K&R! MelissaB Jun 2016 #26

Oh great gaspee Jun 2016 #27

That's not what the OP said at all. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2016 #28

I think you know gaspee Jun 2016 #33

And don't forget that we are being selfish in wanting our needs to be acknowledged, rather than Squinch Jun 2016 #42

"Shut up, of course we care enough about your geek tragedy Jun 2016 #48

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Yes. We COULD address economic issues AND social issues at the same time. That is the Squinch Jun 2016 #56

That is also the point Sanders has been making Armstead Jun 2016 #59

He has never addressed social issues unless he has been dragged to it kicking and screaming Squinch Jun 2016 #70

Oh horsehit...I'm done. Your candidate won. Armstead Jun 2016 #78

And check in with me in 2 years to see if Sanders, as a Senator, has done any of what you list. Squinch Jun 2016 #80

Wow Amaril Jun 2016 #46

Blah blah blah blah gaspee Jun 2016 #51

Also, we're on crack. Don't forget that part. But he isn't condescending. No sir! Squinch Jun 2016 #133

Yes, of course. If we didn't agree with your candidate... Adrahil Jun 2016 #29

NAILED IT! gaspee Jun 2016 #52

You didn't read the OP, did you? Scootaloo Jun 2016 #57

Yes, I did. Read that last paragraph. NT Adrahil Jun 2016 #63

Is that all you read? Scootaloo Jun 2016 #64

Thanks for the condescension. Yes. I read the entire screed. Twice now. NT Adrahil Jun 2016 #68

. geek tragedy Jun 2016 #67

Don't use quotation marks to frame something that no one said. Scootaloo Jun 2016 #83

You should try debating actual Clinton supporters geek tragedy Jun 2016 #105

I think the OP did that. Your first response was put down buzz words and not debate (NT) Rilgin Jun 2016 #121

Because comparing Hillary-supporting feminists geek tragedy Jun 2016 #123

Here's a short/sweet look at the socially liberal/fiscally conservative canard. Snarkoleptic Jun 2016 #30

Social justice is economic justice. joshcryer Jun 2016 #31

This is no accident, misunderstanding, or misdiagnosis but an aggressive and willful effort TheKentuckian Jun 2016 #32

Excellent analysis. Very nice piece of writing. tabasco Jun 2016 #35

It's the Democratic version Lazy Daisy Jun 2016 #37

Well put. 99Forever Jun 2016 #40

Let me guess: you are completely unaware of the irony and projection in your OP, aren't you? Squinch Jun 2016 #41

The problem with this dissertation BumRushDaShow Jun 2016 #44

Have you EVER heard of doing more than one thing at a time? Armstead Jun 2016 #47

Reality is that "multi-tasking" often fails BumRushDaShow Jun 2016 #81

You miss my point.. Armstead Jun 2016 #95

"Convoluted political analyses on how priorities are set are irrelevant. " BumRushDaShow Jun 2016 #99

Good rhetorical bullshit deflection. immoderate Jun 2016 #106

It is naive to dismiss analagous behaviors BumRushDaShow Jun 2016 #118

It's worse than that. lumberjack_jeff Jun 2016 #113

Great Post -- The disconnect that has been created is depressing Armstead Jun 2016 #45

Identity politics is the death of the left. By design. nt lumberjack_jeff Jun 2016 #53

I used to think it was just the GOP design.....I'm thinking I was wrong in that naive assumption Armstead Jun 2016 #55

The 2016 primary casts the 2008 primary in a different light too... Fumesucker Jun 2016 #76

yup tk2kewl Jun 2016 #170

Social justice issues are the death of the left? Okie dokie... Squinch Jun 2016 #58

When challenging the excessive Corporate Power that is imposed on everyone... Armstead Jun 2016 #61

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Squinch Jun 2016 #75

Nailed it in one Prism Jun 2016 #85

Agree. nt lumberjack_jeff Jun 2016 #88

There is no social justice purpose that is served by nominating HRC. lumberjack_jeff Jun 2016 #72

Thanks for telling us your opinion. Squinch Jun 2016 #77

The idea that HRC = social justice is stupid lumberjack_jeff Jun 2016 #111

Again, your opinion is... in existence. Squinch Jun 2016 #126

So 80% of the black Democratic electorate? nt forjusticethunders Jun 2016 #169

"Identity politics" is a term invented by the right to dismiss civil rights and social justice. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #115

social justice has been turned into a logo lumberjack_jeff Jun 2016 #119

And yet they are so sure they are the true progressives. Really crazy. Squinch Jun 2016 #127

Overt Strawman... denotes lack of listening and minimizing of Dem Base issues uponit7771 Jun 2016 #186

Really well said, Prism. ms liberty Jun 2016 #62

everyone who deviates from your definitions is a crack head. thanks for sharing nt msongs Jun 2016 #94

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jun 2016 #96

Outstanding OP... 2banon Jun 2016 #97

Intersectionality means actually listening to what the people in that group have to say. Starry Messenger Jun 2016 #100

Excellent post, Starry -- I agree with every single word obamanut2012 Jun 2016 #101

Same. Starry Messenger Jun 2016 #103

Neoliberal economics fix sexisim and racism how? What is all of this fixing Clinton is TheKentuckian Jun 2016 #146

Diversifying the wealthy doesn't bring about economic justice either. DemocraticWing Jun 2016 #164

Exactly! Great post. Squinch Jun 2016 #128

Did people even read this? SpareribSP Jun 2016 #109

yes, including the part where a white dude sneered at women's and black folks' civil rights as "pet geek tragedy Jun 2016 #112

In my estimation ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2016 #122

This is really true. People of color were talking about BS's shortcomings with them very Squinch Jun 2016 #129

+1 uponit7771 Jun 2016 #188

Yes, its the same damn strawman from a year ago... dem base priorities are as diverse as the uponit7771 Jun 2016 #187

News flash RandySF Jun 2016 #120

kick rec Teamster Jeff Jun 2016 #124

K&R Thank you Prism felix_numinous Jun 2016 #142

Fuck!! You got banned off your own thread. Harsh Arazi Jun 2016 #144

I have had lancer78 Jun 2016 #154

wonderfully said. Betty Karlson Jun 2016 #159

I think some people just don't like the poor very much. They think we're all stupid and bigoted. DemocraticWing Jun 2016 #163

K & R Duppers Jun 2016 #166

K&R. One of the best OPs on the last day of GDP. See you around, Prism. JonLeibowitz Jun 2016 #167

Thank you! redwitch Jun 2016 #168

I am a woman and I agree with you 100% adigal Jun 2016 #172

Brocialism... Fuck 'em, man. VulgarPoet Jun 2016 #175

Agreed. nt redgreenandblue Jun 2016 #182

Thank you. Autumn Jun 2016 #183

First of all, so-called social issues aren't "pet" issues. Garrett78 Jun 2016 #184

+1, Same damn strawman argument from a year ago... uponit7771 Jun 2016 #189