Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

Viva_La_Revolution

(28,791 posts)
38. 'paleo socialist' is the 'insulting' 'talking point' of the day from the establishment camp*
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 11:19 AM
Jun 2016

*This has been a public service announcement. We now return you to the revolution in progress.

I'm sure people appreciate you mansplaining/whitesplaining how their civil rights geek tragedy Jun 2016 #1
+ 1 JoePhilly Jun 2016 #3
You're automatically disqualified Prism Jun 2016 #4
+1 JimDandy Jun 2016 #13
+1 nt lumberjack_jeff Jun 2016 #14
Pretty horrifying the post you're responding to. cali Jun 2016 #16
Testify Prism. kr PufPuf23 Jun 2016 #34
How appropriate that the first response you got tabasco Jun 2016 #39
+ 100 TheFarseer Jun 2016 #107
+1000 nt Live and Learn Jun 2016 #161
I don't know how you managed to miss the OP's point so completely. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2016 #6
We've heard the "social issues are a distraction" lecture geek tragedy Jun 2016 #7
But what you place in quotation marks is not what Prism said at all, it's your characterization Bluenorthwest Jun 2016 #19
I'm laughing my ass off Prism Jun 2016 #90
I love you for this response. Chan790 Jun 2016 #155
Bet you cannot see yourself in a mirror. eom PufPuf23 Jun 2016 #36
"Democratic" vampire? nt VulgarPoet Jun 2016 #173
This is interesting. Do you notice they are now Squinch Jun 2016 #82
can't avoid the sneering "pet issue" comment though. geek tragedy Jun 2016 #110
Yes. Because we are right up there with the pets. And they STILL don't see it. Squinch Jun 2016 #125
Really, that's what you took from that? Prism Jun 2016 #84
Clearly, Geek read it. Chan790 Jun 2016 #156
A "Failed Ideology"???? bvar22 Jun 2016 #98
Isn't it something that cannabis_flower Jun 2016 #147
It's befuddling to me. Chan790 Jun 2016 #157
...yes and that's the position you staked-out against the argument Prism made. Chan790 Jun 2016 #153
The person you are replying to systematically uses that strawman to avoid talking about AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #69
The OPs point is an overt strawman, that's why it's "missed" uponit7771 Jun 2016 #185
Wow nailed it. CorkySt.Clair Jun 2016 #21
Exactly, geek. +1. Squinch Jun 2016 #43
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Armstead Jun 2016 #49
Yup La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2016 #65
Post removed Post removed Jun 2016 #86
Wtf does that even mean? La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2016 #92
That you're a WOC and LGBT so toe the line? obamanut2012 Jun 2016 #102
It was such a random threat just to a 'yup' La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2016 #104
I think you have a fan. Squinch Jun 2016 #130
i need fewer of these fans La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2016 #134
Yes. That was weird. Squinch Jun 2016 #135
especially after someone sent me that email warning me not to criticize white men La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2016 #136
Oh, shit. I had not heard of the doxxing. I am so sorry that happened. Squinch Jun 2016 #137
ugh, yeah. had to change my phone number and everything. super annoying. La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2016 #138
I'm so sorry. Squinch Jun 2016 #139
thanks. the internet is very hostile to women and POC who are critical of whiteness and maleness La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2016 #140
Yes. And it's frightening to think that people are sick enough to do that. Squinch Jun 2016 #143
That is sick and scary. Mr Maru Jun 2016 #179
"Mansplaining" is a strawman AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #66
You got it. workinclasszero Jun 2016 #74
it never occurs to Paleo Socialists that maybe geek tragedy Jun 2016 #79
Which part would you like to debate? Prism Jun 2016 #89
Same argument, different words. If they don't get it after all this time, and after their Squinch Jun 2016 #131
JFC I know obamanut2012 Jun 2016 #87
And then some. Starry Messenger Jun 2016 #93
He had me at "Brocialism? Fuck you." lumberjack_jeff Jun 2016 #108
Spot on geek t.!! riversedge Jun 2016 #141
Nailed it on the first fucking post Number23 Jun 2016 #145
Tragedy, you SUPPORT the neoliberal economics. You SUPPORT the TPP. w4rma Jun 2016 #152
Thank you! The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2016 #2
Yes, the problem is that it's under inclusive of geek tragedy Jun 2016 #5
You got it backwards. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2016 #8
Some are more unequal than others. geek tragedy Jun 2016 #10
"One size fits all socialism is an obsolete and failed ideology." Surya Gayatri Jun 2016 #17
Nader's "gonadal politics" is still the mentality with some nt geek tragedy Jun 2016 #18
'paleo socialist' is the 'insulting' 'talking point' of the day from the establishment camp* Viva_La_Revolution Jun 2016 #38
Tell that to Sweden, Finland, Denmark - it's not failed at all adigal Jun 2016 #174
the Scandinavian countries do not have the same problems geek tragedy Jun 2016 #176
What problems are you referring to? nt adigal Jun 2016 #177
historic levels of violence, legacy of slavery and apartheid, vast geographic size, geek tragedy Jun 2016 #178
The south does seem to be a sticking point in all of the ways you mentioned adigal Jun 2016 #180
the goals aren't generally disputed, it's how to achieve those goals. geek tragedy Jun 2016 #181
Guess what, we all fucking know that... Adrahil Jun 2016 #71
The OP's point seems to be that women & PoC & LGBT should ignore their civil rights issues and... Lord Magus Jun 2016 #114
That's not what the OP is saying. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2016 #116
The "pet issues" line shows that's EXACTLY what the OP is saying. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #117
I get that you don't get it... Chan790 Jun 2016 #160
It's a vile slam against anyone who thinks civil rights could be more important than economic issues Lord Magus Jun 2016 #165
Civil Rights ARE an Economic Issue and a Social Issue. bvar22 Jun 2016 #171
Read it again. It IS what the OP is saying. Squinch Jun 2016 #132
Making things up... tonedevil Jun 2016 #9
It's basically a "straw man" method of argument The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2016 #23
Well now... tonedevil Jun 2016 #24
"Maybe it's more like dishonesty." The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2016 #25
Let me womansplain to you. This old Latina is telling that old white man what is important to me, Autumn Jun 2016 #60
The fact you think that's what I said says two things Prism Jun 2016 #91
In this primary season, economic injustice became "That White Male Thing!" Alex4Martinez Jun 2016 #11
I was going to explain this for the 2342343242th time forjusticethunders Jun 2016 #20
You're sort of proving the point Scootaloo Jun 2016 #54
Do you think smugly lecturing people of color is an effective geek tragedy Jun 2016 #73
I don't think you get to talk about "smugly lecturing," Geek Scootaloo Jun 2016 #149
"Pet issues" was rather curious verbiage, no? nt geek tragedy Jun 2016 #150
Not if you read the entire piece Scootaloo Jun 2016 #151
"Pet issues" is never not used dismissively nt geek tragedy Jun 2016 #158
I'm getting that you don't get who is being dismissed by its use in this case. Chan790 Jun 2016 #162
They don't get it. rhett o rick Jun 2016 #148
exactly right. nt lumberjack_jeff Jun 2016 #12
really thoughtful post. thanks. cali Jun 2016 #15
Recommended. Autumn Jun 2016 #22
K&R! MelissaB Jun 2016 #26
Oh great gaspee Jun 2016 #27
That's not what the OP said at all. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2016 #28
I think you know gaspee Jun 2016 #33
And don't forget that we are being selfish in wanting our needs to be acknowledged, rather than Squinch Jun 2016 #42
"Shut up, of course we care enough about your geek tragedy Jun 2016 #48
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Armstead Jun 2016 #50
Yes. We COULD address economic issues AND social issues at the same time. That is the Squinch Jun 2016 #56
That is also the point Sanders has been making Armstead Jun 2016 #59
He has never addressed social issues unless he has been dragged to it kicking and screaming Squinch Jun 2016 #70
Oh horsehit...I'm done. Your candidate won. Armstead Jun 2016 #78
And check in with me in 2 years to see if Sanders, as a Senator, has done any of what you list. Squinch Jun 2016 #80
Wow Amaril Jun 2016 #46
Blah blah blah blah gaspee Jun 2016 #51
Also, we're on crack. Don't forget that part. But he isn't condescending. No sir! Squinch Jun 2016 #133
Yes, of course. If we didn't agree with your candidate... Adrahil Jun 2016 #29
NAILED IT! gaspee Jun 2016 #52
You didn't read the OP, did you? Scootaloo Jun 2016 #57
Yes, I did. Read that last paragraph. NT Adrahil Jun 2016 #63
Is that all you read? Scootaloo Jun 2016 #64
Thanks for the condescension. Yes. I read the entire screed. Twice now. NT Adrahil Jun 2016 #68
. geek tragedy Jun 2016 #67
Don't use quotation marks to frame something that no one said. Scootaloo Jun 2016 #83
You should try debating actual Clinton supporters geek tragedy Jun 2016 #105
I think the OP did that. Your first response was put down buzz words and not debate (NT) Rilgin Jun 2016 #121
Because comparing Hillary-supporting feminists geek tragedy Jun 2016 #123
Here's a short/sweet look at the socially liberal/fiscally conservative canard. Snarkoleptic Jun 2016 #30
Social justice is economic justice. joshcryer Jun 2016 #31
This is no accident, misunderstanding, or misdiagnosis but an aggressive and willful effort TheKentuckian Jun 2016 #32
Excellent analysis. Very nice piece of writing. tabasco Jun 2016 #35
It's the Democratic version Lazy Daisy Jun 2016 #37
Well put. 99Forever Jun 2016 #40
Let me guess: you are completely unaware of the irony and projection in your OP, aren't you? Squinch Jun 2016 #41
The problem with this dissertation BumRushDaShow Jun 2016 #44
Have you EVER heard of doing more than one thing at a time? Armstead Jun 2016 #47
Reality is that "multi-tasking" often fails BumRushDaShow Jun 2016 #81
You miss my point.. Armstead Jun 2016 #95
"Convoluted political analyses on how priorities are set are irrelevant. " BumRushDaShow Jun 2016 #99
Good rhetorical bullshit deflection. immoderate Jun 2016 #106
It is naive to dismiss analagous behaviors BumRushDaShow Jun 2016 #118
It's worse than that. lumberjack_jeff Jun 2016 #113
Great Post -- The disconnect that has been created is depressing Armstead Jun 2016 #45
Identity politics is the death of the left. By design. nt lumberjack_jeff Jun 2016 #53
I used to think it was just the GOP design.....I'm thinking I was wrong in that naive assumption Armstead Jun 2016 #55
The 2016 primary casts the 2008 primary in a different light too... Fumesucker Jun 2016 #76
yup tk2kewl Jun 2016 #170
Social justice issues are the death of the left? Okie dokie... Squinch Jun 2016 #58
When challenging the excessive Corporate Power that is imposed on everyone... Armstead Jun 2016 #61
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Squinch Jun 2016 #75
Nailed it in one Prism Jun 2016 #85
Agree. nt lumberjack_jeff Jun 2016 #88
There is no social justice purpose that is served by nominating HRC. lumberjack_jeff Jun 2016 #72
Thanks for telling us your opinion. Squinch Jun 2016 #77
The idea that HRC = social justice is stupid lumberjack_jeff Jun 2016 #111
Again, your opinion is... in existence. Squinch Jun 2016 #126
So 80% of the black Democratic electorate? nt forjusticethunders Jun 2016 #169
"Identity politics" is a term invented by the right to dismiss civil rights and social justice. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #115
social justice has been turned into a logo lumberjack_jeff Jun 2016 #119
And yet they are so sure they are the true progressives. Really crazy. Squinch Jun 2016 #127
Overt Strawman... denotes lack of listening and minimizing of Dem Base issues uponit7771 Jun 2016 #186
Really well said, Prism. ms liberty Jun 2016 #62
everyone who deviates from your definitions is a crack head. thanks for sharing nt msongs Jun 2016 #94
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jun 2016 #96
Outstanding OP... 2banon Jun 2016 #97
Intersectionality means actually listening to what the people in that group have to say. Starry Messenger Jun 2016 #100
Excellent post, Starry -- I agree with every single word obamanut2012 Jun 2016 #101
Same. Starry Messenger Jun 2016 #103
Neoliberal economics fix sexisim and racism how? What is all of this fixing Clinton is TheKentuckian Jun 2016 #146
Diversifying the wealthy doesn't bring about economic justice either. DemocraticWing Jun 2016 #164
Exactly! Great post. Squinch Jun 2016 #128
Did people even read this? SpareribSP Jun 2016 #109
yes, including the part where a white dude sneered at women's and black folks' civil rights as "pet geek tragedy Jun 2016 #112
In my estimation ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2016 #122
This is really true. People of color were talking about BS's shortcomings with them very Squinch Jun 2016 #129
+1 uponit7771 Jun 2016 #188
Yes, its the same damn strawman from a year ago... dem base priorities are as diverse as the uponit7771 Jun 2016 #187
News flash RandySF Jun 2016 #120
kick rec Teamster Jeff Jun 2016 #124
K&R Thank you Prism felix_numinous Jun 2016 #142
Fuck!! You got banned off your own thread. Harsh Arazi Jun 2016 #144
I have had lancer78 Jun 2016 #154
wonderfully said. Betty Karlson Jun 2016 #159
I think some people just don't like the poor very much. They think we're all stupid and bigoted. DemocraticWing Jun 2016 #163
K & R Duppers Jun 2016 #166
K&R. One of the best OPs on the last day of GDP. See you around, Prism. JonLeibowitz Jun 2016 #167
Thank you! redwitch Jun 2016 #168
I am a woman and I agree with you 100% adigal Jun 2016 #172
Brocialism... Fuck 'em, man. VulgarPoet Jun 2016 #175
Agreed. nt redgreenandblue Jun 2016 #182
Thank you. Autumn Jun 2016 #183
First of all, so-called social issues aren't "pet" issues. Garrett78 Jun 2016 #184
+1, Same damn strawman argument from a year ago... uponit7771 Jun 2016 #189
Latest Discussions»Retired Forums»2016 Postmortem»This primary solidified t...»Reply #38