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Garrett78

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12. Consider the 3 (most likely) potential outcomes:
Mon Jun 20, 2016, 01:56 AM
Jun 2016

1) Clinton wins big
2) Clinton wins by a small margin
3) Trump wins

Which of those scenarios is most likely to help enable the masses to lay the groundwork for progressive change? I think the answer is clearly #1, especially since #1 also means Dems have won more of the down-ticket races than they would in the other scenarios. Trump winning or even coming close to winning would send a horrible message (particularly to POC, women and the international community) and give a Clinton Admin even less reason to push for progressive legislation.

I get that there's a valid leftist critique of the Democratic Party and of the US political system as a whole. I really do. But I also think our individualistic culture overemphasizes the power and influence of individual actors, while underestimating systemic forces. And our instant gratification culture has an unrealistic expectation of how (and how quickly) systemic change happens. I don't invest much energy in national politics, as I think local politics and local organization are key to bringing about systemic change. Bottom-up, not top-down. Planting seeds in the collective consciousness, recognizing that the type of change I'd like to see probably won't be fully realized in my lifetime.

Fired up and ready to go, round 2! grossproffit Jun 2016 #1
The experts are saying she only needs one swing state. FL, PA, OH, NC, BootinUp Jun 2016 #2
That might be a bit simplistic. Garrett78 Jun 2016 #3
I'm of course voting for her, but I have concerns. rusty quoin Jun 2016 #4
A tremendous mandate for neoliberalism Fumesucker Jun 2016 #5
what about the Oligarchs, third wayers, neo socialists, corporatists? redstateblues Jun 2016 #7
I think Shakespeare covered it Fumesucker Jun 2016 #10
you forgot fraud committers, cheaters, southerners, californians, and probably even more nt msongs Jun 2016 #11
I don't think you understand the term "straw man." earthshine Jun 2016 #16
Consider the 3 (most likely) potential outcomes: Garrett78 Jun 2016 #12
I was fairly cynical coming into this primary, didn't really think Sanders had a chance Fumesucker Jun 2016 #18
Sanders didn't stand a chance. And that's not cynicism. Garrett78 Jun 2016 #23
Polls say Bernie voters are more likely to vote for Hillary... onehandle Jun 2016 #6
Boom- redstateblues Jun 2016 #8
I Suspect So Night Watchman Jun 2016 #21
I know quite a number of Obama supporters that refuse to vote for her. nt Live and Learn Jun 2016 #9
As I wrote, I don't doubt that such folks exist. Garrett78 Jun 2016 #13
It makes plenty of sense. Pro-war vs anti-war. Pro-hope vs anti-hope. Live and Learn Jun 2016 #14
There's virtually no difference between them policy-wise. Garrett78 Jun 2016 #15
Sure there is. Wait and see. nt Live and Learn Jun 2016 #17
Read HRC's book or her Jeffery Goldberg interview karynnj Jun 2016 #19
You can't convince someone of something LoverOfLiberty Jun 2016 #20
Where's the outrage regarding Bernie's foreign policy history? Garrett78 Jun 2016 #24
President Obama will be out asking those same voters to show up and vote for Hillary. Thinkingabout Jun 2016 #22
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