2016 Postmortem

loyalsister

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87. The politicians I know personally have led me to have high standards

Mon Jun 27, 2016, 12:46 AM

Jun 2016

People who share my feelings because they are on the ground doing real outreach and listening to the experiences of ordinary people. They don't keep going back and try to get credit for what they did 20 + yrs ago even after seeing what went wrong with it, and they admit it when they make mistakes.

They are also tough enough to listen to criticism without being defensive.

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Hillary was a "one woman army" fighting for Children's health insurance. [View all] pnwmom Jun 2016 OP

A whole generation of low-income children Hortensis Jun 2016 #1

Hillary (and now the Dem Party platform, apparently) on Healthcare today: AzDar Jun 2016 #2

This is an anti-Hillary video from the primaries. Why are you posting it now? nt pnwmom Jun 2016 #3

Hillary's OWN WORDS are "Anti-Hillary"? AzDar Jun 2016 #4

Slicing and dicing words out of context are anti-anyone. n/t pnwmom Jun 2016 #6

If they're taken out of context, then... scscholar Jun 2016 #76

Cherry picking various quotes from years apart is "anti-Hillary". George II Jun 2016 #79

This is a Hillary speech last spring covered by CNN. yellerpup Jun 2016 #5

It's 3 snippets from 3 different speeches from 2007-16, misleading and out of context. pnwmom Jun 2016 #8

She is saying, literally, that Single-Payer Healthcare will NEVER, EVER come to pass... AzDar Jun 2016 #10

No, she's absolutely not saying that. n/t pnwmom Jun 2016 #13

... AzDar Jun 2016 #14

I'm sorry that paying attention to what she was saying literally, in context is inconvenient for synergie Jun 2016 #88

More or less inconvenient than editing three splices of tape together filmed six years? LanternWaste Jun 2016 #104

.+1 840high Jun 2016 #29

It's more than just that, it's an excerpt from a speech more than 8 years ago, too. George II Jun 2016 #80

k&r bigtree Jun 2016 #7

If she were really serious about children she would advocate single-payer ... ThePhilosopher04 Jun 2016 #9

Single payer isn't the only way to cover all children. The ACA could have pnwmom Jun 2016 #11

It's the best way. If you're not prepared to fight for the best way, then you're not really fighting ThePhilosopher04 Jun 2016 #21

If you let the perfect be the enemy of the good, you're fighting for the wrong team IMHO. pnwmom Jun 2016 #25

Works the other way around as well. ThePhilosopher04 Jun 2016 #72

True. But they need to be elected before they'll vote for a bill pnwmom Jun 2016 #74

You mean like withdrawing your single-payer amendment when you had a chance LuvLoogie Jun 2016 #77

I agree with you - and I'm a Bernie supporter democrattotheend Jun 2016 #108

So, you wanted the "best" way, which would never get passed, to get in the way of what we now have? George II Jun 2016 #82

Even in states that took the Medicaid expansion dflprincess Jun 2016 #86

What She Said LeFleur1 Jun 2016 #36

Exactly! Lucinda Jun 2016 #38

She's never once fought for single payer. EVER. ThePhilosopher04 Jun 2016 #73

Does anyone think that "single payer" would have actually passed? George II Jun 2016 #78

K&R sheshe2 Jun 2016 #12

Sen. Warren was right when she said "She's a Fighter � a Fighter With Guts". Alfresco Jun 2016 #15

People are primed to believe republicans loyalsister Jun 2016 #16

I don't know any real live people with Obamacare who haven't seen the benefits, pnwmom Jun 2016 #17

I know a lot of people whose budget would suffer more from buying it than from paying the fine loyalsister Jun 2016 #18

CHIP applied to apply 50 states and the R's didn't stop it. And it is NOT helpful pnwmom Jun 2016 #19

CHIP only covers children loyalsister Jun 2016 #31

And the OP is about CHIP. Instead of acknowledging what she did accomplish, pnwmom Jun 2016 #42

It's about acknowledging and caring about what didn't get done loyalsister Jun 2016 #47

"setting goals to make it right. I really wish she would" Hortensis Jun 2016 #55

I want her to fix what she helped break loyalsister Jun 2016 #64

And it's her fault. I have no idea why you imagine Hortensis Jun 2016 #69

It would be refreshing if more of us would make some serious demands loyalsister Jun 2016 #71

Some do, some don't, but it hardly Hortensis Jun 2016 #75

The politicians I know personally have led me to have high standards loyalsister Jun 2016 #87

Really. Hortensis Jun 2016 #93

And I would like Democrats to stop bashing our presumptive nominee. pnwmom Jun 2016 #92

Hillary has acknowledged and cares about what didn't get done pnwmom Jun 2016 #91

Expanding social security is not going to help young health single parents loyalsister Jun 2016 #106

Raising the minimum wage from the current $7+ will help all those people. pnwmom Jun 2016 #107

Well said. riversedge Jun 2016 #53

Good post. 840high Jun 2016 #30

K&R mcar Jun 2016 #20

"one woman army" implies that she fought this alone -- when in fact, Ted Kennedy was the key person karynnj Jun 2016 #22

CHIP "wouldn't be in existence today" without Hillary's advocacy -- according to Ted Kennedy, pnwmom Jun 2016 #26

Nor would it have existed without Ted Kennedy or Orin Hatch karynnj Jun 2016 #28

Since he was the one who worked on it I think I'll take Kennedy's own words rather than DLCWIdem Jun 2016 #32

Read the book by Littlefied, who was the chief aide who worked on it karynnj Jun 2016 #33

sorry I was responding to these statements of your post DLCWIdem Jun 2016 #37

THE driving force? karynnj Jun 2016 #51

The OP said that Kennedy considered her a key ally and that it wouldn't pnwmom Jun 2016 #44

This is what Littlefield had to say in an interview: pnwmom Jun 2016 #46

Littlefield was working with Clinton at that time karynnj Jun 2016 #50

And nothing you said contradicts anything in the OP. But for some reason you just pnwmom Jun 2016 #70

Fine - she walks on water if you say so karynnj Jun 2016 #81

You are right. This was Kennedy's baby but at first the Clinton Administration did not support it. jillan Jun 2016 #41

Kennedy considered her a key ally. That is what it says in the OP. pnwmom Jun 2016 #43

So what? The point of the OP is that Kennedy considered her a key ally. (See paragraph 2) pnwmom Jun 2016 #45

I am not minimizing her support karynnj Jun 2016 #49

If there is exaggeration it comes --not from HRC--but from Kennedy himself DLCWIdem Jun 2016 #57

I agree that Kennedy's praise was hyperbole -- as such praise always is karynnj Jun 2016 #58

your mis-characterizing what I posted DLCWIdem Jun 2016 #59

You're claiming that Kennedy was engaging in hyperbole, and he's not alive to defend himself. pnwmom Jun 2016 #68

He said as much when confronted with the same issue in 2008. karynnj Jun 2016 #83

I think it is much more dangerous, in this general election, to disparage and minimize pnwmom Jun 2016 #67

What an atrocious comparison karynnj Jun 2016 #84

Because the men say........................ leftofcool Jun 2016 #52

Kick and Rec Warren DeMontague Jun 2016 #23

Hillary has record of child advocacy spanning many decades. oasis Jun 2016 #24

K&R! DemonGoddess Jun 2016 #27

oh my god YES. She is is my hero. K&R Hiraeth Jun 2016 #34

Thank you, Hillary! Cha Jun 2016 #35

k&r DesertRat Jun 2016 #39

This message was self-deleted by its author Vattel Jun 2016 #40

Amen to That! Night Watchman Jun 2016 #48

Yeah those egotists Kennedy and Hatch had the nerve to put their names on it karynnj Jun 2016 #63

sigh leftofcool Jun 2016 #94

The driving force for CHIP was the economy My Good Babushka Jun 2016 #54

A longtime advocate for children, she will continue to fight for issues around children. Thinkingabout Jun 2016 #56

Nice to see a couple of people talking sense (karynnj and loyalsister) vintx Jun 2016 #60

Thanks for the compliment karynnj Jun 2016 #85

You can keep bashing Kennedy but you can't change what he said. n/t pnwmom Jun 2016 #90

You can't argue with people who don't understand certain things. leftofcool Jun 2016 #95

True karynnj Jun 2016 #97

Kennedy said what he said. CHIP wouldn't have been possible without her pnwmom Jun 2016 #98

Its amazning to watch folks attack Kennedy's praise of Clinton. JoePhilly Jun 2016 #100

Exactly. I don't know what they think they're accomplishing, but it isn't pnwmom Jun 2016 #101

I think they ... JoePhilly Jun 2016 #103

I have never bashed Kennedy karynnj Jun 2016 #96

You've been accusing him of not meaning what he clearly said. That's bashing. n/t pnwmom Jun 2016 #102

K&R ismnotwasm Jun 2016 #61

Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2016 #62

KICK Hekate Jun 2016 #65

kick & recommended. William769 Jun 2016 #66

K&R LuvLoogie Jun 2016 #89

This is the kind of shit that gives me hope. Orsino Jun 2016 #99

Me, too. It has been a major goal of hers since she worked for the Children's Defense fund. n/t pnwmom Jun 2016 #105