2016 Postmortem

pnwmom

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102. You've been accusing him of not meaning what he clearly said. That's bashing. n/t

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Mon Jun 27, 2016, 12:20 PM

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Hillary was a "one woman army" fighting for Children's health insurance. [View all] pnwmom Jun 2016 OP

A whole generation of low-income children Hortensis Jun 2016 #1

Hillary (and now the Dem Party platform, apparently) on Healthcare today: AzDar Jun 2016 #2

This is an anti-Hillary video from the primaries. Why are you posting it now? nt pnwmom Jun 2016 #3

Hillary's OWN WORDS are "Anti-Hillary"? AzDar Jun 2016 #4

Slicing and dicing words out of context are anti-anyone. n/t pnwmom Jun 2016 #6

If they're taken out of context, then... scscholar Jun 2016 #76

Cherry picking various quotes from years apart is "anti-Hillary". George II Jun 2016 #79

This is a Hillary speech last spring covered by CNN. yellerpup Jun 2016 #5

It's 3 snippets from 3 different speeches from 2007-16, misleading and out of context. pnwmom Jun 2016 #8

She is saying, literally, that Single-Payer Healthcare will NEVER, EVER come to pass... AzDar Jun 2016 #10

No, she's absolutely not saying that. n/t pnwmom Jun 2016 #13

... AzDar Jun 2016 #14

I'm sorry that paying attention to what she was saying literally, in context is inconvenient for synergie Jun 2016 #88

More or less inconvenient than editing three splices of tape together filmed six years? LanternWaste Jun 2016 #104

.+1 840high Jun 2016 #29

It's more than just that, it's an excerpt from a speech more than 8 years ago, too. George II Jun 2016 #80

k&r bigtree Jun 2016 #7

If she were really serious about children she would advocate single-payer ... ThePhilosopher04 Jun 2016 #9

Single payer isn't the only way to cover all children. The ACA could have pnwmom Jun 2016 #11

It's the best way. If you're not prepared to fight for the best way, then you're not really fighting ThePhilosopher04 Jun 2016 #21

If you let the perfect be the enemy of the good, you're fighting for the wrong team IMHO. pnwmom Jun 2016 #25

Works the other way around as well. ThePhilosopher04 Jun 2016 #72

True. But they need to be elected before they'll vote for a bill pnwmom Jun 2016 #74

You mean like withdrawing your single-payer amendment when you had a chance LuvLoogie Jun 2016 #77

I agree with you - and I'm a Bernie supporter democrattotheend Jun 2016 #108

So, you wanted the "best" way, which would never get passed, to get in the way of what we now have? George II Jun 2016 #82

Even in states that took the Medicaid expansion dflprincess Jun 2016 #86

What She Said LeFleur1 Jun 2016 #36

Exactly! Lucinda Jun 2016 #38

She's never once fought for single payer. EVER. ThePhilosopher04 Jun 2016 #73

Does anyone think that "single payer" would have actually passed? George II Jun 2016 #78

K&R sheshe2 Jun 2016 #12

Sen. Warren was right when she said "She's a Fighter � a Fighter With Guts". Alfresco Jun 2016 #15

People are primed to believe republicans loyalsister Jun 2016 #16

I don't know any real live people with Obamacare who haven't seen the benefits, pnwmom Jun 2016 #17

I know a lot of people whose budget would suffer more from buying it than from paying the fine loyalsister Jun 2016 #18

CHIP applied to apply 50 states and the R's didn't stop it. And it is NOT helpful pnwmom Jun 2016 #19

CHIP only covers children loyalsister Jun 2016 #31

And the OP is about CHIP. Instead of acknowledging what she did accomplish, pnwmom Jun 2016 #42

It's about acknowledging and caring about what didn't get done loyalsister Jun 2016 #47

"setting goals to make it right. I really wish she would" Hortensis Jun 2016 #55

I want her to fix what she helped break loyalsister Jun 2016 #64

And it's her fault. I have no idea why you imagine Hortensis Jun 2016 #69

It would be refreshing if more of us would make some serious demands loyalsister Jun 2016 #71

Some do, some don't, but it hardly Hortensis Jun 2016 #75

The politicians I know personally have led me to have high standards loyalsister Jun 2016 #87

Really. Hortensis Jun 2016 #93

And I would like Democrats to stop bashing our presumptive nominee. pnwmom Jun 2016 #92

Hillary has acknowledged and cares about what didn't get done pnwmom Jun 2016 #91

Expanding social security is not going to help young health single parents loyalsister Jun 2016 #106

Raising the minimum wage from the current $7+ will help all those people. pnwmom Jun 2016 #107

Well said. riversedge Jun 2016 #53

Good post. 840high Jun 2016 #30

K&R mcar Jun 2016 #20

"one woman army" implies that she fought this alone -- when in fact, Ted Kennedy was the key person karynnj Jun 2016 #22

CHIP "wouldn't be in existence today" without Hillary's advocacy -- according to Ted Kennedy, pnwmom Jun 2016 #26

Nor would it have existed without Ted Kennedy or Orin Hatch karynnj Jun 2016 #28

Since he was the one who worked on it I think I'll take Kennedy's own words rather than DLCWIdem Jun 2016 #32

Read the book by Littlefied, who was the chief aide who worked on it karynnj Jun 2016 #33

sorry I was responding to these statements of your post DLCWIdem Jun 2016 #37

THE driving force? karynnj Jun 2016 #51

The OP said that Kennedy considered her a key ally and that it wouldn't pnwmom Jun 2016 #44

This is what Littlefield had to say in an interview: pnwmom Jun 2016 #46

Littlefield was working with Clinton at that time karynnj Jun 2016 #50

And nothing you said contradicts anything in the OP. But for some reason you just pnwmom Jun 2016 #70

Fine - she walks on water if you say so karynnj Jun 2016 #81

You are right. This was Kennedy's baby but at first the Clinton Administration did not support it. jillan Jun 2016 #41

Kennedy considered her a key ally. That is what it says in the OP. pnwmom Jun 2016 #43

So what? The point of the OP is that Kennedy considered her a key ally. (See paragraph 2) pnwmom Jun 2016 #45

I am not minimizing her support karynnj Jun 2016 #49

If there is exaggeration it comes --not from HRC--but from Kennedy himself DLCWIdem Jun 2016 #57

I agree that Kennedy's praise was hyperbole -- as such praise always is karynnj Jun 2016 #58

your mis-characterizing what I posted DLCWIdem Jun 2016 #59

You're claiming that Kennedy was engaging in hyperbole, and he's not alive to defend himself. pnwmom Jun 2016 #68

He said as much when confronted with the same issue in 2008. karynnj Jun 2016 #83

I think it is much more dangerous, in this general election, to disparage and minimize pnwmom Jun 2016 #67

What an atrocious comparison karynnj Jun 2016 #84

Because the men say........................ leftofcool Jun 2016 #52

Kick and Rec Warren DeMontague Jun 2016 #23

Hillary has record of child advocacy spanning many decades. oasis Jun 2016 #24

K&R! DemonGoddess Jun 2016 #27

oh my god YES. She is is my hero. K&R Hiraeth Jun 2016 #34

Thank you, Hillary! Cha Jun 2016 #35

k&r DesertRat Jun 2016 #39

This message was self-deleted by its author Vattel Jun 2016 #40

Amen to That! Night Watchman Jun 2016 #48

Yeah those egotists Kennedy and Hatch had the nerve to put their names on it karynnj Jun 2016 #63

sigh leftofcool Jun 2016 #94

The driving force for CHIP was the economy My Good Babushka Jun 2016 #54

A longtime advocate for children, she will continue to fight for issues around children. Thinkingabout Jun 2016 #56

Nice to see a couple of people talking sense (karynnj and loyalsister) vintx Jun 2016 #60

Thanks for the compliment karynnj Jun 2016 #85

You can keep bashing Kennedy but you can't change what he said. n/t pnwmom Jun 2016 #90

You can't argue with people who don't understand certain things. leftofcool Jun 2016 #95

True karynnj Jun 2016 #97

Kennedy said what he said. CHIP wouldn't have been possible without her pnwmom Jun 2016 #98

Its amazning to watch folks attack Kennedy's praise of Clinton. JoePhilly Jun 2016 #100

Exactly. I don't know what they think they're accomplishing, but it isn't pnwmom Jun 2016 #101

I think they ... JoePhilly Jun 2016 #103

I have never bashed Kennedy karynnj Jun 2016 #96

You've been accusing him of not meaning what he clearly said. That's bashing. n/t pnwmom Jun 2016 #102

K&R ismnotwasm Jun 2016 #61

Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2016 #62

KICK Hekate Jun 2016 #65

kick & recommended. William769 Jun 2016 #66

K&R LuvLoogie Jun 2016 #89

This is the kind of shit that gives me hope. Orsino Jun 2016 #99

Me, too. It has been a major goal of hers since she worked for the Children's Defense fund. n/t pnwmom Jun 2016 #105