2016 Postmortem

Ken Burch

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40. That should be done too.

Mon Jun 27, 2016, 09:12 PM

Jun 2016

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You keep trying to start an argument between us and I don't actually disagree with anything you've said so far.

Why the hostility? Why the suspicion?

I don't have a hidden agenda here.

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Should the next Democratic president apologize to Latin America for all past US intervention? [View all] Ken Burch Jun 2016 OP

should all the native american groups who ever attacked each other apologize? nt msongs Jun 2016 #1

That's up to them(some have, I think). Not comparable to what I was talking about at all. Ken Burch Jun 2016 #2

No. oasis Jun 2016 #3

Because...? Ken Burch Jun 2016 #4

To what purpose? Hillary knows she'll need to take care of the oasis Jun 2016 #9

How would this conflict with that? Ken Burch Jun 2016 #11

Not on the top 100 list of most Americans. Priorities. nt oasis Jun 2016 #13

It wouldn't take any significant amount of time. Ken Burch Jun 2016 #15

press conferences etc. + Off message on what would currently be going on. oasis Jun 2016 #18

With regard to the first question, perhaps some. David__77 Jun 2016 #5

by "leave alone", I don't mean have nothing at all to do with those countries. Ken Burch Jun 2016 #10

This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #6

I agree totally on the need to acknowledge all of the miseries inflicted on Native Americans Ken Burch Jun 2016 #7

Do you even begin to realize how utterly inadequate okasha Jun 2016 #24

I totally agree with everything you've said there. Ken Burch Jun 2016 #25

You realize that would have to be done individually? okasha Jun 2016 #28

Yes, but it is about our overall mindset towards the hemisphere. Ken Burch Jun 2016 #35

And yet they were all... tonedevil Jun 2016 #42

Arguing over who goes first just ensures nothing is addressed. Scootaloo Jun 2016 #8

This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #20

Scotaloo wasn't the poster making fatuous remarks about Native Americans needing to apologize. n/t. Ken Burch Jun 2016 #26

We need a truth and reconciliation commission with Latin America. Nt killbotfactory Jun 2016 #12

Good point. n/t. Ken Burch Jun 2016 #17

I suppose that there is a sense in which everyone should apologize to everyone else for everything, Tal Vez Jun 2016 #14

Admission of wrong is part of the process of improvement. Ken Burch Jun 2016 #16

Actually, I look forward to the day when we might be able to unify our hemisphere, Tal Vez Jun 2016 #29

If, by Americans, you mean the peoples of this hemisphere, an apology will do a lot. Ken Burch Jun 2016 #30

If it will help, I'll sign it. Write it up! Tal Vez Jun 2016 #32

What good is a false apology? Downwinder Jun 2016 #19

Not Kissinger himself, obviously Ken Burch Jun 2016 #31

Actions speech louder than words. Downwinder Jun 2016 #33

We need to do both. Ken Burch Jun 2016 #34

Apologize posthumously to Edmund and Elizabeth Horman? Downwinder Jun 2016 #37

That would help. Ken Burch Jun 2016 #39

The single best thing the US could do for Latin Americs okasha Jun 2016 #38

That should be done too. Ken Burch Jun 2016 #40

I'm not tryong to start an argument. okasha Jun 2016 #43

The apology is meant as a starting point. Ken Burch Jun 2016 #44

There can be no "plan" okasha Jun 2016 #45

I never claimed that apologies by themselves solve all problems. Ken Burch Jun 2016 #46

How many apology dominos do we need? okasha Jun 2016 #47

We need all of those AND action. Ken Burch Jun 2016 #48

Perhaps not. okasha Jun 2016 #67

The unjust past since at least 1820, then. Ken Burch Jun 2016 #70

See my reply to your post 63. okasha Jun 2016 #73

The CIAs cold war meddling should be apologized for, certainly. joshcryer Jun 2016 #21

Yes, specifically what Friedman and Kissinger did in Chile. Exilednight Jun 2016 #22

It goes much deeper than just US interventionalism AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #23

Absolutely. n/t. Ken Burch Jun 2016 #27

Castro and Che are heroes in Latin America? George II Jun 2016 #50

Yes AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #52

Did you see what the author said about his own work? George II Jun 2016 #53

Irrelevent AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #54

No it isn't. In fact it's been banned in several Latin American countries. George II Jun 2016 #55

Yes it is AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #56

Well, this is what you said: George II Jun 2016 #58

It was banned in the 70s AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #60

Exactly. Ken Burch Jun 2016 #65

presumably when the military dictatorships were in power. Ken Burch Jun 2016 #64

But the point is that it was stated that this book was REQUIRED reading for all students... George II Jun 2016 #66

Required reading for all students in Latin American countries without a military junta in power. Ken Burch Jun 2016 #68

So it's a qualified "required reading", if even that. George II Jun 2016 #69

It doesn't discredit the statement if the book was only taken off the reading list Ken Burch Jun 2016 #71

It is required reading... AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #77

I'm inclined to say yes, but just to stop doing it already would be enough. n/t Old Union Guy Jun 2016 #36

I think some people here are voting no because they think this is an attack on HRC. Ken Burch Jun 2016 #41

Why? George II Jun 2016 #49

No. As with many of our relationships we simply start to foster them.... NCTraveler Jun 2016 #51

Post removed Post removed Jun 2016 #57

Yes and every American company should MyNameGoesHere Jun 2016 #59

To what specific and measurable end? LanternWaste Jun 2016 #61

Apologies are cheap. They do not fix the problems. Agnosticsherbet Jun 2016 #62

And again, I wasn't suggesting that apologies were ALL that was needed. Ken Burch Jun 2016 #63

Can and have. okasha Jun 2016 #72

Only if it ceases to be something that the US gives orders to. Ken Burch Jun 2016 #74

My problem with this sort of apology okasha Jun 2016 #75

That isn't the chief purpose I have. Ken Burch Jun 2016 #76

Why, the US never apologizes for any wrong doing in any part of the world! akbacchus_BC Jun 2016 #78