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2016 Postmortem

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leeroysphitz

(10,462 posts)
Thu Jun 30, 2016, 09:43 AM Jun 2016

Why Hillary Clinton Supporters are Still So Angry at Bernie Sanders [View all]

https://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2016/06/the-psychology-of-why-hillary-clinton-supporters-a.html

Some very good analysis of Sanders' true motives, as well as his supporters in this article. Much more than what I copied. Worth the read if you're interested.



1. Many of Clinton’s supporters were politically progressive before this election, and would have been quite happy with a presidential candidate like Elizabeth Warren. Happier, actually, because she embodied their beliefs—especially in the economic realm—in a way that Clinton did not. It’s the self-identified progressives, as opposed to the actual centrists, are the ones displaying the most anger today.

2. These progressive voters seized on Clinton’s candidacy based largely on identity politics. They wanted a female president, and the emergence of Sanders’ candidacy was a complicating nuisance, coming after they’d committed ideologically.

3. At the same time, they didn’t want to believe that they were supporting a war hawk and a fiscal conservative, because that ran against their progressive ideals. Life was better when Clinton was the only viable non-Republican option, because they didn’t have to explain themselves.

4. On some level, they recognized that their politics were more closely aligned with Bernie. Nevertheless, identity politics kept them in Clinton’s camp.

5. In order to erase the cognitive dissonance and justify their support to themselves, they employed several strategies, like falsely attributing widespread sexism to Sanders supporters, and trying to paint them as exclusively male in an attempt to efface the vast majority of young women and people of color who backed him. If Bernie and all his people were covert misogynists, then their progressivism was phony, and it was okay to support Hillary. It also erased the need to discuss real issues—a convenient out, since Hillary’s political history doesn’t stack up well from a progressive standpoint.
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good article tk2kewl Jun 2016 #1
great mansplaining about how HRC supporters want a woman President. pnwmom Jun 2016 #157
Great analogy Haveadream Jun 2016 #193
Yup. We love things about Bernie pnwmom Jun 2016 #196
Lol. Ethical and judgement deficiencies Hortensis Jul 2016 #220
How do you feel about Warren as VP? I used to think pnwmom Jul 2016 #221
Talking heads on MSNBC, not a friendly group Hortensis Jul 2016 #225
Actually it's the whole suite of identity politics Scootaloo Jun 2016 #202
I'd prefer a president of any gender who was not pro imperial war n/t eridani Jul 2016 #217
That doesn't have anything to do with the OP. Or Hillary, for that matter. n/t pnwmom Jul 2016 #222
Yeah, it does. It is nonsense to suppose that not liking the Iraq wae vote is sexist. eridani Jul 2016 #223
The OP is supposedly about why Hillary supporters are angry with Bernie. pnwmom Jul 2016 #224
Identity politics can not be her last name? timmymoff Jul 2016 #258
This obamanut2012 Jul 2016 #228
The condescending bullshit never stops. sufrommich Jun 2016 #2
:( :( :( poor winners... leeroysphitz Jun 2016 #3
As opposed to sore winners? R. Daneel Olivaw Jun 2016 #10
Your choice of words speaks volumes Cary Jun 2016 #180
thank you for saying this. It's infuriating. n/t yodermon Jul 2016 #252
There is a line to be drawn Cary Jul 2016 #254
Ain't that the truth? Laurian Jun 2016 #13
Bingo. No matter how they try to explain it, it doesn't translate stopbush Jun 2016 #32
Especially to folks that have big fingers in their ears... n/t leeroysphitz Jun 2016 #87
There are a ton of good reasons why people did not support Sanders Gothmog Jun 2016 #116
+1000 Haveadream Jun 2016 #123
One valid reason to vote against Sanders is the desire to preserve President Obama's legacy Gothmog Jun 2016 #130
That point is very important to me. greatauntoftriplets Jun 2016 #174
This is one of the most stupid things I've ever read... TCJ70 Jun 2016 #177
Sanders failed to appeal to African American voters and that cost him the nomination Gothmog Jun 2016 #200
His efforts were doomed because the target audience had no interest no matter what he did Scootaloo Jun 2016 #205
Your analysis is wrong Gothmog Jun 2016 #211
Wait... Scootaloo Jul 2016 #256
Yes, and the person to whom you are replying took part in same AgingAmerican Jul 2016 #251
When you don't want to answer the questions... TCJ70 Jul 2016 #226
What does "Preserve Obama's legacy" mean? AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #208
The only legacy issue I see is the ACA spud_demon Jul 2016 #243
That isn't correct. First, ACA is not the only issue. Second, Sanders has stated seabeyond Jul 2016 #244
Your characterization is way off... TCJ70 Jul 2016 #245
Exactly the point I kept bringing up when he was having this conversation. seabeyond Jul 2016 #248
Regarding Clinton -- I stand corrected, as for the rest spud_demon Jul 2016 #246
Oh my... Lol. Ok. seabeyond Jul 2016 #249
Income inewquality ar record highs, and you want to keep that? Why? n/t eridani Jul 2016 #218
That's some cogent analysis right there! druidity33 Jun 2016 #188
It's not an OP about why Sanders lost Scootaloo Jun 2016 #203
Read the OP-it is a whine as to why Sanders lost Gothmog Jun 2016 #204
I did. I don't think you can say the same Scootaloo Jun 2016 #206
I read it and actually understood it-let me explain it to you Gothmog Jun 2016 #210
You are clearly reading a very different article than the one in the OP Scootaloo Jun 2016 #212
Not really-I just understand the concepts being discussed Gothmog Jul 2016 #216
Exactly -- I don't think most people actually read the article obamanut2012 Jul 2016 #231
The intent of the article was clear to me Gothmog Jul 2016 #253
That absolutely isn't what the OP is about obamanut2012 Jul 2016 #230
good post -- cosign n/t obamanut2012 Jul 2016 #229
There are a ton of good reasons millions who voted Sanders won't Hillary timmymoff Jul 2016 #259
Over 80% of Sanders supporters are already on board with Clinton. seabeyond Jul 2016 #262
That 20% is Yuuuuuuggggge timmymoff Jul 2016 #264
Agreed Evergreen Emerald Jun 2016 #48
Nope. Agschmid Jun 2016 #61
Agree ... the "high priests of liberalism" are all to happy to ... JoePhilly Jun 2016 #64
and the sinners are willing to overlook the sins of their high priestess. timmymoff Jul 2016 #260
Maybe you should try producing less of it. Scootaloo Jun 2016 #201
Nah. n/t seaglass Jun 2016 #4
#2 n/t leeroysphitz Jun 2016 #5
Wrong. My choice was a vote against Bernie. While he may have had some good ideas, his seaglass Jun 2016 #15
yeah but c'mon. Be honest. #2 confirmed. n/t leeroysphitz Jun 2016 #25
You listen just about as well as Bernie does. n/t seaglass Jun 2016 #33
There are a ton of good reasons to not support sanders that are not reflected in the silly OP Gothmog Jun 2016 #117
the splaining in this article!!! Her Sister Jun 2016 #6
# 2 again.... leeroysphitz Jun 2016 #8
I seized on brilliance and qualifications. Her Sister Jun 2016 #22
Whose? leeroysphitz Jun 2016 #26
DEM Presidential Nominee Her Sister Jun 2016 #51
*mic drop* eom BlueCaliDem Jun 2016 #58
Everything you just said, x a gazillion. Maru Kitteh Jun 2016 #111
Hillary's -- who has them in spades obamanut2012 Jul 2016 #233
A lot of rehashing of complete bullshit in that one! jcgoldie Jun 2016 #7
Clinton supporters. Not Clinton herself. As typified above... n/t leeroysphitz Jun 2016 #9
Oh sorry I misread it jcgoldie Jun 2016 #24
whoo boy. Must have struck pretty close to home. n/t leeroysphitz Jun 2016 #28
Sanders is not doing any of this for himself. pangaia Jun 2016 #66
Lol metroins Jun 2016 #69
I don't think so. pangaia Jun 2016 #71
yes. look to #5 above to explain the two replies below. leeroysphitz Jun 2016 #88
Right. okasha Jun 2016 #190
There is no way that any sentient being could respond to that. pangaia Jun 2016 #192
But you did. okasha Jun 2016 #213
You miss the point in trying to make a funny. pangaia Jul 2016 #239
This message was self-deleted by its author Matt_R Jun 2016 #209
Just fine, thanks. okasha Jun 2016 #214
This message was self-deleted by its author Matt_R Jul 2016 #232
lololololololololololololololololol obamanut2012 Jul 2016 #234
Thank you, Bernie!! LuvLoogie Jun 2016 #11
+1 leeroysphitz Jun 2016 #14
+2 PowerToThePeople Jun 2016 #183
Why don't people writing these articles actually ask Hillary supporters how they feel? DanTex Jun 2016 #12
This is what your camp wont understand. Read the article. It isn't theatrics. leeroysphitz Jun 2016 #19
The article is about people like me. I understand me. The author of the article doesn't. DanTex Jun 2016 #23
It sounds like you tho... n/t leeroysphitz Jun 2016 #29
What does that mean? DanTex Jun 2016 #43
Sanders polled higher against Trump. Ash_F Jun 2016 #129
Sanders lost. There is no Sanders. There is only Hillary and Trump. DanTex Jun 2016 #131
OK but if you wanted to beat Trump wouldn't supporting Sanders have made more sense? Ash_F Jun 2016 #132
I don't believe those poll numbers would have held up. But that doesn't matter anymore. DanTex Jun 2016 #136
Why? Ash_F Jun 2016 #138
Because I don't think he'd hold up under GOP attacks. DanTex Jun 2016 #141
That's an opinion not based on evidence. Ash_F Jun 2016 #144
It's an opinion. So is yours. Who cares? The primary is over. It's Hillary or Trump now. DanTex Jun 2016 #145
Apparently you do if you responded to this essay Ash_F Jun 2016 #146
I make decisions based on evidence. Doesn't seem you do. DanTex Jun 2016 #149
Bernie is not helping Trump. That claim is ridiculous. Ash_F Jun 2016 #151
Of course he is. Every day he holds out, Trump celebrates. DanTex Jun 2016 #154
The woman explains herself clearly, if you listen to her. Ash_F Jun 2016 #156
Who cares? It's a disgruntled Hillary supporter from 2008. DanTex Jun 2016 #160
That's a subset. Ash_F Jun 2016 #162
Of course it claims to generalize. It doesn't say "why a tiny subset of Hillary supporters..." DanTex Jun 2016 #163
Oh I don't think it's tiny. Ash_F Jun 2016 #164
Hmm, I though you based your opinions on evidence. DanTex Jun 2016 #165
I do. Ash_F Jun 2016 #179
Hillary certainly does not help herself kacekwl Jun 2016 #166
What does that have to do with Bernie? And what makes you think Hillary DanTex Jun 2016 #167
It has to do with Hillary hurting herself....helping Trump if you will. kacekwl Jun 2016 #182
I only blame Bernie for Bernie's own pro-Trump actions. DanTex Jun 2016 #185
Pro Trump is a ridiculous statement. kacekwl Jun 2016 #191
Did you see he picture on the home page today? Silver_Witch Jun 2016 #49
Who cares? Trump CAN'T win. What is important is moving the Democratic party back. leeroysphitz Jun 2016 #80
Gee you guys need to get your stories straight and stick with them DLCWIdem Jun 2016 #184
I'm not mad at him. I just am over him and wish I didn't have to keep hearing about him La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2016 #16
That's pretty much where I'm at. eom BlueCaliDem Jun 2016 #59
This and adding JustAnotherGen Jun 2016 #63
Post removed Post removed Jun 2016 #17
begging for #5 leeroysphitz Jun 2016 #20
It means if the shoe fits... leeroysphitz Jun 2016 #53
It's that damn voting vagina argument again. justiceischeap Jun 2016 #18
Post removed Post removed Jun 2016 #21
Nope, I didn't say that in the least justiceischeap Jun 2016 #42
I have a vagina and I didn't see that in this article! Silver_Witch Jun 2016 #52
Please send me a private message I want to know. I never alert posts. JRLeft Jun 2016 #73
The thing is, Hillary supporters aren't angry. They are done with Bernie and his tantrums Fla Dem Jun 2016 #133
Tantrums, LMFAO! Fighting for poor people is a tantrum. JRLeft Jun 2016 #140
Bernie HAD a good message. It's now been lost in his petulance. Fla Dem Jun 2016 #147
It's exactly what you said. n/t leeroysphitz Jun 2016 #89
This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #41
YES! obamanut2012 Jul 2016 #235
Off the subject, speaking of our birth canals libodem Jun 2016 #150
Technically should have said "lady bits" justiceischeap Jun 2016 #153
The only part that matters! libodem Jun 2016 #159
True and it's not even the best part justiceischeap Jun 2016 #169
. libodem Jun 2016 #171
This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #27
#5 leeroysphitz Jun 2016 #30
This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #34
ok. True but it's also true that like it or not Sanders is walking into the leeroysphitz Jun 2016 #39
1900 ???? Her Sister Jun 2016 #45
This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #46
If he's still refused to even concede defeat, no Bernie won't get to speak at the convention. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #65
still gonna speak... n/t leeroysphitz Jun 2016 #90
ONLY if he concedes and endorses Hillary beforehand. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #103
The only speaking slots are for the nominee and those who have endorsed. MohRokTah Jun 2016 #173
Your prophecies are becoming more and more as the wings of Icarus. LanternWaste Jun 2016 #112
Nice analogy. greatauntoftriplets Jun 2016 #178
Response #41 DLCWIdem Jun 2016 #142
Why are Sanders pundits still so condescending? randome Jun 2016 #31
Warren was a stunt. She won't be VP. BTW if she had ran instead of Sanders... leeroysphitz Jun 2016 #35
Warren 'was' a stunt? I guess she still is, then, huh? randome Jun 2016 #37
This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #47
Well there is my wife lol... leeroysphitz Jun 2016 #50
This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #54
No I can't. Unless you are prejudiced. n/t leeroysphitz Jun 2016 #81
This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #85
As fish are completely unaware of the very water they swim in... LanternWaste Jun 2016 #113
I too would have voted for Warren. Still will if she is VP! Silver_Witch Jun 2016 #55
A stunt?? sillly silly. riversedge Jun 2016 #181
Stunt? okasha Jun 2016 #197
This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #38
If this is what it takes LoverOfLiberty Jun 2016 #36
another #5 leeroysphitz Jun 2016 #95
which means what exactly? LoverOfLiberty Jun 2016 #120
Realize that this is about "you" jimlup Jun 2016 #40
You didn't read the article. leeroysphitz Jun 2016 #91
. MohRokTah Jun 2016 #44
I am also laughing very hard at the weak rationales advanced in the OP Gothmog Jun 2016 #118
This comment is one of the things I do not like about Clinton CBGLuthier Jun 2016 #56
A dishonest and cynical, political move. How odd. n/t leeroysphitz Jun 2016 #86
A very hefty pant load! redstateblues Jun 2016 #57
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Post removed Post removed Jun 2016 #101
seems legit ! stonecutter357 Jun 2016 #62
It is! At least from a progressive point of view. leeroysphitz Jun 2016 #84
So the actual title for the article is... one_voice Jun 2016 #67
Uh, just no! leftofcool Jun 2016 #68
When an article calls her a war hawk, I stop reading. bye riversedge Jun 2016 #70
That piece is on point. Every time I tried to engage policy discussions, JRLeft Jun 2016 #72
Post removed Post removed Jun 2016 #93
That article is a bunch of misogynist garbage. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #74
another #2 who can't think of any reason other than misogyny that leeroysphitz Jun 2016 #79
When the article blatantly declares that people only voted for Hillary because she's a woman, yes. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #102
Jesus Fucking Christ. This shit really does come from the top down. nt LexVegas Jun 2016 #75
THIS is exactly the kind of shit RandySF Jun 2016 #76
Because the truth hurts? John Poet Jun 2016 #176
Because the OP is another smear. RandySF Jun 2016 #199
This article is extremely discouraging Haveadream Jun 2016 #77
It should be discouraging. It is to me as well. n/t leeroysphitz Jun 2016 #82
Havadreeam provided thoughtful critique worthy of much more than your one-note reply Maru Kitteh Jun 2016 #155
very well thought out reply DLCWIdem Jun 2016 #186
Well, that was the narrative. But I think this narrative was constructed post hoc. redgreenandblue Jul 2016 #247
Or maybe it's because BS and BSers keep trashing the Democratic party. Just a thought... Squinch Jun 2016 #78
#5 is ahead by a landslide. lol n/t leeroysphitz Jun 2016 #96
You might want to read #5 again. Are you afraid I am calling you a misogynist? Because Squinch Jun 2016 #114
LOL La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2016 #83
Sanders former staffers who include a AA woman fun n serious Jun 2016 #92
Sure they do. n/t leeroysphitz Jun 2016 #94
Great article! insta8er Jun 2016 #97
Post removed Post removed Jun 2016 #98
K and R Arazi Jun 2016 #99
I ain't mad tho ismnotwasm Jun 2016 #100
Will quote this from now on! Her Sister Jul 2016 #255
. NCTraveler Jun 2016 #104
Interesting, and I enjoyed reading Xyzse Jun 2016 #105
... SidDithers Jun 2016 #106
Way to be divisive. Dr Hobbitstein Jun 2016 #107
I loath that smilie libodem Jun 2016 #158
What smilie? Dr Hobbitstein Jun 2016 #168
Not yours, hers. libodem Jun 2016 #170
Yes, the lack of discussion of real issues was obvious, like climate change riderinthestorm Jun 2016 #108
Riiiiiight. Because Hillary supporter's concerns aren't about real issues Haveadream Jun 2016 #119
Shrug, look at my post history. I was relentless @ climate change riderinthestorm Jun 2016 #122
Focus on the environment would be better served if the OP were taken to task Haveadream Jun 2016 #127
The people I know who are still very angry at him feel that Sanders mislead people, eastwestdem Jun 2016 #109
Attacking Hillary with 25 years of BS. yallerdawg Jun 2016 #110
The Clinton supporters I know are mad at Bernie and his supporters because... apnu Jun 2016 #115
I'm not mad at him--I just don't think he's terribly relevant any more. WI_DEM Jun 2016 #121
You and the author of this BlueMTexpat Jun 2016 #124
I ain't mad taught_me_patience Jun 2016 #125
Human suffering, while it is asleep, is shapeless. If it is wakened it takes the form of the waker. Snotcicles Jun 2016 #126
Jessie William's brilliant speech on Staying Woke Haveadream Jun 2016 #139
That article is an absolute and utter DemonGoddess Jun 2016 #128
Does the OP have any friends that support Clinton in the real world? Buzz cook Jun 2016 #134
not this shit again forjusticethunders Jun 2016 #135
A flaw iin your arguement; generally progressives were happy with Obama DLCWIdem Jun 2016 #137
k/r - good read 840high Jun 2016 #143
Patently true. n/t lumberjack_jeff Jun 2016 #148
I'm not angry. It's an issue of goals and approach. tandem5 Jun 2016 #152
K&R.. disillusioned73 Jun 2016 #161
Political activism may increase the risk of mental health issues...you may want to read this HereSince1628 Jun 2016 #172
speaking just 4 myself, I'm for Hillary because she's a Liberal, who will get things done & she is Bill USA Jun 2016 #175
This message was self-deleted by its author JTFrog Jun 2016 #187
Wow this is helpful. ronnykmarshall Jun 2016 #189
'Tick Tock' was only one sided, apparently AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #194
Post removed Jamaal510 Jun 2016 #195
Armchair social science Vattel Jun 2016 #198
Well, this one missed, guess there can be more articles, cognitive dissonance on Thinkingabout Jun 2016 #207
I thought he was a weak candidate and deeply flawed as a socialist. Starry Messenger Jul 2016 #215
Why are Sanders Supporters so Angry with Hillary? Night Watchman Jul 2016 #219
lololololololololololololololololol obamanut2012 Jul 2016 #227
whatever the psychology of Hillary supporters, they should NEVER have turned to bashing ... cloudythescribbler Jul 2016 #236
A dishonest caricature of Clinton was being presented. Of course Clinton supporters will challenge. seabeyond Jul 2016 #240
I started with Sanders, went to OMalley and settled on Clinton being my candidate of choice. Please, seabeyond Jul 2016 #237
Most Democrats agree with most of Sanders proposals... Skid Rogue Jul 2016 #238
Most Democrats agree with Clintons positions and see the same, only her ability to find solutions seabeyond Jul 2016 #241
I agree with you 100%. Skid Rogue Jul 2016 #257
Wow this crap! HRC-supporter abusing & haranguing plus splaining article gets 69 rec's! Her Sister Jul 2016 #242
Very poor and rather pedestrian analysis Dem2 Jul 2016 #250
It's because the author is a sports writer who covers golf, KMOD Jul 2016 #265
My vagina just demanded to vote again after reading this robbedvoter Jul 2016 #261
Oh, bull frazzled Jul 2016 #263
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