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geek tragedy

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30. again, Sanders supporters aren't migrating because of anything Sanders is saying.
Thu Jun 30, 2016, 12:43 PM
Jun 2016

Those that are migrating are ahead of him in that regard. The ones who are migrating are doing so because, hello, Clinton vs Trump isn't a close call for rational people.

And he's not framing the movement as being one inside the party--he's castigating the party for what he claims is a policy of excluding independent voters (which is complete horse puckey--anyone who wants to register as a Democrat is free to do so).


And where this is going is him ratcheting up confrontations with the party's nominee--first on the platform drafting committee, then we get it July 8/9, then a convention floor fight.

And what happens when his die-hard supporters see that his shibboleths (single payer, carbon tax, free college) that he says are of such paramount importance get rejected from the platform in a very public manner on the convention floor? When he gets denied a speaking slot because he refuses to concede? When he turns the convention into a food fight?

Does that help defeat Donald Trump?

Sanders has his agenda. Helping elect Hillary Clinton in November is not on that agenda.

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I'm not sure if "making it count" is how I'd describe it. NurseJackie Jun 2016 #1
This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #2
People who were irritated with him months ago are irritated with him now. What's nuts is that some Chathamization Jun 2016 #3
Wrong. It's not about making Hillary supporters "happy". (How silly.) Instead ... NurseJackie Jun 2016 #4
His strategy is working. People on both sides admit that Sanders voters are largely migrating to Chathamization Jun 2016 #6
He gets exactly zero credit for that. They're migrating to Clinton because she's a better option geek tragedy Jun 2016 #8
Funny, people were saying it would be his fault if they didn't do that. I suppose he only gets Chathamization Jun 2016 #9
he's not actively interfering with them moving over to her to oppose Trump. geek tragedy Jun 2016 #11
Sanders _might_ have a better idea about how to convince Sanders supporters than the people who have Chathamization Jun 2016 #12
Sanders hasn't said Clinton is much better than Trump in several weeks, if not months geek tragedy Jun 2016 #13
He just said last week that he will be voting for Clinton... and that Trump is worse... GeorgiaPeanuts Jun 2016 #22
Post removed Post removed Jun 2016 #23
Again, you're not the target audience. Sanders has said he would vote for Clinton, that his focus is Chathamization Jun 2016 #28
again, Sanders supporters aren't migrating because of anything Sanders is saying. geek tragedy Jun 2016 #30
You're assuming that you know Sanders supporters better than they know themselves Chathamization Jun 2016 #32
I think you're underestimating the importance of Bernie working on the platform and how that helps aikoaiko Jun 2016 #35
Bernie Sanders is keeping young people involved with his long goodbye Eric J in MN Jun 2016 #10
Because fomenting discontent is such a winning strategy, eh? NurseJackie Jun 2016 #15
People who voted for Sanders were already discontented. Eric J in MN Jun 2016 #21
Our first priority is helping Hillary to defeat the GOP and Trump. NurseJackie Jun 2016 #27
Bernie Sanders' stump speech criticized Trump for bigotry. Eric J in MN Jun 2016 #31
Bah humbug, this isn't a sports game FFS!!!! GeorgiaPeanuts Jun 2016 #24
Oh look, more hypersensitivity. NurseJackie Jun 2016 #26
Wrong... GeorgiaPeanuts Jun 2016 #29
This message was self-deleted by its author NurseJackie Jul 2016 #40
We gave him political capital, and he is spending it on our behalf. Orsino Jun 2016 #5
What political capital does Sanders have now? Sanders supporter flocking to Clinton in faster uponit7771 Jun 2016 #17
I don't see your point at all SheenaR Jun 2016 #18
Point being Sanders statistically has no holdout voters and his progressive bonafides is replaced by uponit7771 Jun 2016 #19
Warren is having her moment SheenaR Jun 2016 #25
No he doesn't.... There are only 8% hold outs left 1/4 the number Obama had uponit7771 Jun 2016 #33
You and I are talking about different things SheenaR Jun 2016 #34
To late for him to claim 3rd party for national elections, no... he has no leverage but he did weeks uponit7771 Jun 2016 #36
Agree to disagree SheenaR Jun 2016 #39
Looking forward to the goodbye part. n/t seaglass Jun 2016 #7
I see the hardline Bernie Bashers are still bashing Bernie instead of discussing what Dionne has to Bluenorthwest Jun 2016 #14
Sanders supporters flocking to Hillary faster than Hillary supporters flocked to Obama, Warren is on uponit7771 Jun 2016 #16
I have to disagree; he's pretty much lost all relevance at this point LongtimeAZDem Jun 2016 #20
At this point, I don't think he has ANY DemonGoddess Jun 2016 #38
"long goodbye" SaschaHM Jun 2016 #37
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