2016 Postmortem

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Thu Jun 30, 2016, 09:10 PM

Jun 2016

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TPP hate is just Neo-Nationalism and Neo-Reactionary [View all] bravenak Jun 2016 OP

BRAVO! MohRokTah Jun 2016 #1

Hey! bravenak Jun 2016 #4

It's good to see a fine young wonderful true progressive posting here! MohRokTah Jun 2016 #7

We real progressives have to keep a low profile these day bravenak Jun 2016 #11

Emojis are your friends MohRokTah Jun 2016 #12

Nope GeorgiaPeanuts Jun 2016 #2

I disagree completely bravenak Jun 2016 #6

You may disagree but the TPP gives Corporations the capability to sue over laws... GeorgiaPeanuts Jun 2016 #15

I guess that is something that can be compromised on bravenak Jun 2016 #16

Yeah when it's negotiated in secret and then fast tracked thjrough Congress Armstead Jul 2016 #137

Yeah, I did not appreciate the secrecy bravenak Jul 2016 #146

I'm fairly certain that no corporation has ever won such a lawsuit under any trade agreement. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #47

At far as I am aware the TPP is the first trade agreement that would allow this GeorgiaPeanuts Jun 2016 #70

The same provisions have been in trade agreements going back to 1959. Where have you been? Hoyt Jun 2016 #112

There are places on the interwebs Maru Kitteh Jul 2016 #135

Then cite something to prove it. treestar Jul 2016 #157

I read here that CHIP would be destroyed by a trade agreement bettyellen Jun 2016 #74

Exactly. There was a poster saying GATS was going to have foreign countries running healthcare here. Hoyt Jul 2016 #152

I do believe the US has already been sued and lost - we all lost - labeling meat in the USA hollysmom Jun 2016 #98

Congress acted to avoid a trade war with Canada. Hoyt Jun 2016 #116

AFTER the US lost the law suit and had to pay millions a day to Mexico and Canada. hollysmom Jun 2016 #118

I'm talking about labeling meat, that was an issue with Canada and Congress acted to avoid Hoyt Jul 2016 #127

If it has legal standards which are followed treestar Jul 2016 #158

Prove that. What are "laws against a corporation?" Impressive sounding treestar Jul 2016 #156

I Agree. srobert Jun 2016 #86

Prove it. treestar Jul 2016 #155

There was another thread on the issue... GeorgiaPeanuts Jul 2016 #160

You have not proved with that post that it is a "carte blanche giveaway treestar Jul 2016 #161

I have to disagree on this. floriduck Jun 2016 #3

That's fine bravenak Jun 2016 #5

I thought you'd be okay with it. Just wanted to go on record. floriduck Jun 2016 #9

TPP-ISDS and the Democrats Arizona Roadrunner Jun 2016 #8

There are many parts that we are going to have to work on, fix, and possibly redo completely bravenak Jun 2016 #13

The TPP can't be revised. It's fixed. Please don't spread misinformation Arazi Jun 2016 #82

New Trade agreements can fix issues bravenak Jun 2016 #83

Nope. TPP will be submitted as currently negotiated. 5 years in the making Arazi Jun 2016 #85

And there will be more trade agreements that will fix any issues caused bravenak Jun 2016 #87

You don't know that. Just like the ACA would be fixed by now right? Lol Arazi Jun 2016 #89

I am not the one screaming 'the sky is falling!' bravenak Jun 2016 #91

Post removed Post removed Jun 2016 #95

Oh good grief. bravenak Jun 2016 #97

Nothing personal. Strictly TPP ignorance Arazi Jun 2016 #100

they have never fixed this yet. it is in lots of trade deals. hollysmom Jun 2016 #114

Certain things will not be fixed bravenak Jun 2016 #119

like the court system, I am sure the corporations are happy that is written that way hollysmom Jun 2016 #120

Who knew there were more 'neo-' words. Thanks for the revelation, bravenak. n/t pampango Jun 2016 #10

There are just tooooo many these days bravenak Jun 2016 #14

I'm in an honors Politics of Developing Nations and TPP not only will screw the US, but poor nations TheBlackAdder Jun 2016 #17

I already know about your poly sci education bravenak Jun 2016 #23

The lobbyist architects of the TPP are surely looking after the developing nation's welfare. TheBlackAdder Jun 2016 #38

::: bravenak Jun 2016 #39

Lack of nuance is the person who delivers the same predictable messaging each and every day. TheBlackAdder Jun 2016 #56

Who might that be? bravenak Jun 2016 #60

Which is why China is against it scscholar Jul 2016 #134

Fast Track and TPP: A Recipe for Disaster for Women and LGBT Communities: Bluenorthwest Jun 2016 #18

Not all clauses in the TPP are good. katsy Jun 2016 #19

I stated there will be good and bad in every trade deal bravenak Jun 2016 #24

In this case, speaking only for the tpp, it is a travesty. katsy Jun 2016 #34

Trump uses the best words DemFromPittsburgh Jun 2016 #28

all the efforts to diminsih or minimize the use of "neoliberalism" follow the rightwing stupidicus Jun 2016 #20

Some use it to label anything they do not like bravenak Jun 2016 #22

which is why those "some people" do the effort a disservice stupidicus Jun 2016 #26

Posted to for later. 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2016 #21

My two cents DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2016 #25

I agree with you bravenak Jun 2016 #31

The world is getting smaller. That scares some people. DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2016 #43

Yes it does. bravenak Jun 2016 #44

I'm a Neo Cancer DemFromPittsburgh Jun 2016 #27

Neo pisces here bravenak Jun 2016 #32

Keanu Reeves is just Neo DemFromPittsburgh Jun 2016 #35

... bravenak Jun 2016 #37

LOLZ! Maru Kitteh Jul 2016 #133

Neo libra here~ sheshe2 Jun 2016 #45

Hey!! My mom's a kick ass Libra too! bravenak Jun 2016 #48

Quasi Aquarius Cayenne Jul 2016 #128

K&R! DemonGoddess Jun 2016 #29

It is scary bravenak Jun 2016 #33

Oh GOODY!!! New BUZZ Words to try and counter neoliberalism. Exilednight Jun 2016 #30

Thank you, Bravenak! Cha Jun 2016 #36

Glad to see you!!! bravenak Jun 2016 #41

U2! Zap that "neo liberalism" buzzword! Cha Jun 2016 #49

It gets used on anything these days. bravenak Jun 2016 #51

And, it means nothing.. like authoritarian.. just empty buzzwords. Cha Jun 2016 #52

Yep. Like third way. Means nothing anymore at all. Just a word. Empty. bravenak Jun 2016 #53

Details... HumanityExperiment Jun 2016 #40

Utter fucking bullshit. Get back to me once you've read it. truebrit71 Jun 2016 #42

Everywhere I turn PowerToThePeople Jun 2016 #46

Rightwing nonsense should be alerted if you see it. I alert it. bravenak Jun 2016 #50

Increased trade is in itself neither good nor bad. David__77 Jun 2016 #54

That is how I see it too bravenak Jun 2016 #55

True, but simply disengaging from trade agreements, won't bring the "old jobs back". The factors still_one Jun 2016 #58

Over 150 House Democrats voted against fast tracking the TPP. 190 GOPers voted for it. think Jun 2016 #57

This is not about fast track bravenak Jun 2016 #59

The top House Dem on trade, the unions, the environmental groups, doctors without borders think Jun 2016 #61

They may be Neoreactionary though bravenak Jun 2016 #62

Please explain how the top House Democrat on trade is being neoreactionary on this think Jun 2016 #63

I said MAY bravenak Jun 2016 #64

So you've got nothing but an insulting opinion you can't back up. Got it. Thank you. think Jun 2016 #65

I do not see how it could possibly be insulting bravenak Jun 2016 #66

Of course you don't think Jun 2016 #67

Of course not. I already said that reasoned criticism is warranted. bravenak Jun 2016 #68

Always the case melman Jul 2016 #139

No, it is much more than that. nt silvershadow Jun 2016 #69

Beyond reasoned criticism, yes. That is just kinda what it is. bravenak Jun 2016 #71

I respectfully disagree. nt silvershadow Jun 2016 #72

Exactly DemonGoddess Jun 2016 #75

LGBT groups and AIDS activists oppose the TPP and are being bashed for it here. Typical. Bluenorthwest Jun 2016 #73

I don't see Bravenak bashing anyone DemonGoddess Jun 2016 #76

Just....WOW..... Tepid defense of the indefensible...... alittlelark Jun 2016 #77

That's nice bravenak Jun 2016 #84

Hiding behind platitudes... isn't that NICE? Isn't that SPECIAL. alittlelark Jun 2016 #102

Oh, harsh burn! bravenak Jun 2016 #103

Post removed Post removed Jun 2016 #121

You haven't supported any point with that treestar Jul 2016 #162

Why is Hillary opposed to TPP? bullwinkle428 Jun 2016 #78

She isn't - she loves it and has given speeches about it's merits.... alittlelark Jun 2016 #79

Brava Bravenak Hekate Jun 2016 #80

Hey!!!! bravenak Jun 2016 #81

I disagree with you and the corporate boards which are corporate stacked courts JRLeft Jun 2016 #88

That is how things have been even without the TPP so it cannot be the TPP that caused it bravenak Jun 2016 #94

One reason why our middle class has been decimated is because of JRLeft Jun 2016 #109

how is a trade agreement treestar Jul 2016 #163

The decisions from the tribunals that are stacked with corporate lawyers. JRLeft Jul 2016 #164

WTF? treestar Jul 2016 #165

Reactionaryism and nationalism are of the extreme right AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #90

Remember the horseshoe effect? This is that. bravenak Jun 2016 #92

So if you are against corporate colonialism (TPP) you are a far right extremist? AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #99

I said horse-shoe-effect bravenak Jun 2016 #105

Which means nothing AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #111

OMG..... alittlelark Jun 2016 #108

That's nice bravenak Jun 2016 #113

More platitudes.... Grow up!!! alittlelark Jul 2016 #122

Public Citizen's analysis: snot Jun 2016 #93

Reasoned criticism is fine but much of that seems CT bravenak Jun 2016 #96

Read the fucking tpp katsy Jul 2016 #131

Elizabeth Warren issued a 16-page report documenting all of the broken promises that bullwinkle428 Jun 2016 #101

Yes well this is anonymous internet poster v E Warren! Arazi Jun 2016 #106

Thanks for that link. JEB Jun 2016 #110

That is what I consider reasoned opposition bravenak Jun 2016 #115

there is nothing wrong DonCoquixote Jun 2016 #104

Exactly bravenak Jun 2016 #107

^^^ Nice ^^^ alittlelark Jun 2016 #117

Nope, its climate change denial on steroids riderinthestorm Jul 2016 #123

lol SoLeftIAmRight Jul 2016 #124

Not wanting to have the corporations rule us all is nationalism? AllyCat Jul 2016 #125

We can enforce our laws, that's why Trans-Canada is SOL with the pipeline. If they can support Hoyt Jul 2016 #129

Yeah nothing to worry about. Armstead Jul 2016 #136

Domestic laws still apply. Read the darn agreement and ISDS rules. Hoyt Jul 2016 #153

Neoreactionary really to object to Corporate governance? gordianot Jul 2016 #126

TPP takes away the judicial power of the United States and gives it to The Second Stone Jul 2016 #130

VERY well done! Maru Kitteh Jul 2016 #132

lulz Rex Jul 2016 #138

This OP makes no sense melman Jul 2016 #140

A tiny group on DU don't understand what neo-liberalism means. So they start posting OPs about it. Rex Jul 2016 #141

A tiny group like to call anything they don't like 'neoliberal' bravenak Jul 2016 #143

Well of course they do, you are entitled to your opinion but not facts or reality in this case. Rex Jul 2016 #144

Jesus Fucking Christ, how did I end up at the Weekly Standard? DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2016 #142

No wonder G_j Jul 2016 #145

Neo-Reactionary is just neologism. nt mhatrw Jul 2016 #147

I love neologisms bravenak Jul 2016 #148

You may be resigned to corporate dictatorship, but a lot of us are not. eridani Jul 2016 #149

Succinctly put I hope your comments finally put an end to this silly thread Monk06 Jul 2016 #151

I miss the unrec button. Scuba Jul 2016 #150

Very good treestar Jul 2016 #154

Agreed. bravenak Jul 2016 #166

Or it could be a "kooky" desire for the government that we pay taxes to and the only one we have a TheKentuckian Jul 2016 #159

This place has truly lost its fucking way...Supporting the TPP?! Enjoy your shit sandwich... AzDar Jul 2016 #167