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MineralMan

(151,273 posts)
18. Not necessarily. A President pro tempore is a necessary
Sat Jul 2, 2016, 02:18 PM
Jul 2016

thing, since most VPs don't bother with presiding over the Senate. It's natural that the party in the majority would elects a member of their own party. Even when the Senate majority is with the president's party, a President pro tempore is elected.

However, if the VP is in the Senate Chambers, the VP presides. That's my point with this. All the VP has to do is show up and he or she is the presiding official, without question. That is written in the Constitution and no objection could even be raised. The Constitution trumps the Senate Rules every time.

The acting President of the Senate has broad parliamentary powers, since he or she acts as the chairperson of the proceedings. If you look at the actual Senate Rules, you can see just how much power the presiding officer has. Much of it cannot be challenged, since the acting President can rule without debate on a number of procedural things.

Procedure is everything in parliamentary bodies. Most of what happens in the Senate is procedural. Many things occur through suspension of the rules for specific purposes, and a lot of rules are not followed closely, unless there's a reason to do so. One of the chief powers of the presiding officer is to make sure the rules are followed, which is where there are ways to push issues.

For example, if there is not a quorum, the President or acting President can compel Senators to come to the chambers to make up a quorum. Quorum calls are often inconvenient for Senators, who would rather be doing something else. They are a powerful tool to require attendance during the session.

It's very complicated, really, but it's amazing what a presiding officer can manage while remaining within the rules.

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Sounds like the way to go for me katmondoo Jul 2016 #1
She would be uniquely qualified to preside over the Senate, too. MineralMan Jul 2016 #2
Yes, often wondered WHY VP couldn't preside over the Senate Hortensis Jul 2016 #3
Having presided over a number of things myself, MineralMan Jul 2016 #4
I felt sure there must be SOME things to use Hortensis Jul 2016 #7
When the VP isn't in the chamber, the President Pro Tempore takes over, MineralMan Jul 2016 #8
Who does appoint the pro tempore? Hortensis Jul 2016 #13
The pro tempore President is elected by the majority party MineralMan Jul 2016 #14
So, a structural block to a VP's power. Hortensis Jul 2016 #16
Not necessarily. A President pro tempore is a necessary MineralMan Jul 2016 #18
It sounds like it. I have trouble imagining someone Hortensis Jul 2016 #20
Hmm...yes. The VP as President of the Senate could MineralMan Jul 2016 #22
It is strange that it has not been used, Hortensis Jul 2016 #29
Clinton/Warren 2016 JaneyVee Jul 2016 #5
Probably because, most of the time, the job is boring as hell. MADem Jul 2016 #6
Yes, that's how it has been done. I'm not sure, though, that is how it MineralMan Jul 2016 #9
Good luck getting the party in power to agree to cede their propers to the Veep. I just don't see MADem Jul 2016 #10
"...to aggressively challenge and vote out the obstructionists" MineralMan Jul 2016 #24
Yep....and nowadays, a sitting POTUS needs a VPOTUS who will work for a living. MADem Jul 2016 #31
Not a bad idea at all treestar Jul 2016 #11
Dick Cheney was "involved" in the Senate, iirc. Hekate Jul 2016 #12
It's already enshrined in the Constitution MineralMan Jul 2016 #15
Thanks for the points you've been making, MM. Sometimes I get these flashbacks, you know how it is. Hekate Jul 2016 #17
My pleasure. I love looking at small ways power is managed. MineralMan Jul 2016 #19
That little f-cker had an OFFICE over on the House side too. MADem Jul 2016 #32
Baaaad flashbacks Hekate Jul 2016 #33
Operatives running around the House at three in the morning, arm-twisting legislators.... MADem Jul 2016 #34
which would also mean that the republican VP like cheney could influence a democratic Senate La Lioness Priyanka Jul 2016 #21
Frankly, custom is the only reason the VP doesn't do it. MineralMan Jul 2016 #23
That's why I want to to be the Jewish guy with the funny accent LongtimeAZDem Jul 2016 #25
Al's a very, very bright person, and I'm betting he MineralMan Jul 2016 #26
But the Senate majority leader still dictates what would be voted on. tonyt53 Jul 2016 #27
this is something that the republicans will do SoLeftIAmRight Jul 2016 #28
There's little to no power to that position frazzled Jul 2016 #30
Actually many VP's have already played major roles in administrations book_worm Jul 2016 #35
How has Biden been influential as VP? NT Eric J in MN Jul 2016 #36
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