2016 Postmortem

CobaltBlue

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69. CajunBlazer—Neoliberalism has made the more recent right-wing attacks possible.

Sun Jul 3, 2016, 11:51 AM

Jul 2016

The United States needs a course correction.

It is in need of a dramatic shift to the left not only on social but on economic, and other, policies.

This so-called moderate meme is, reading between the lines, encouraging the status quo of neoliberalism.

People need to be aware.

“Democrats” must care.

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I don't think that the greatest danger to the Democratic Party is the GOP [View all] CajunBlazer Jul 2016 OP

You might be right, but I am heartened that polls indicate that the majority of Bernie still_one Jul 2016 #1

Post removed Post removed Jul 2016 #34

That is how you feel, but you don't speak for all Bernie supporters still_one Jul 2016 #36

No, but I speak WITH a good number of them. Scootaloo Jul 2016 #37

A good number in a general election would be about 2 million people in a single swing state. eom fleabiscuit Jul 2016 #96

Speak with those who are not in the bunker, and realize that the vast majority are not synergie Jul 2016 #98

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2016 #134

What does friendship have to do with voting? BainsBane Jul 2016 #40

We have lost our common MORAL CONSENSUS. Hortensis Jul 2016 #55

Well, you're right, of course. Tal Vez Jul 2016 #2

"Unfortunately, progressivism and righting social wrongs have always taken time" forjusticethunders Jul 2016 #4

I agree completely. And, it's not a complete loss that such people exist. Tal Vez Jul 2016 #8

that shit is in deep forjusticethunders Jul 2016 #19

I agree MO_Dem Jul 2016 #3

They should form cosmicone Jul 2016 #5

Except that nobody on the left in this country is a "Communist". Ken Burch Jul 2016 #7

Back home where? California? n/t cosmicone Jul 2016 #10

So anyone to the left of center is a 'communist'? AgingAmerican Jul 2016 #14

The OP was referring to the extreme ends of the spectrum n/t cosmicone Jul 2016 #41

At least he thought he was.... AgingAmerican Jul 2016 #45

Yep. Fascist and Communist are two sides of the same coin, leaving no room for dissent or BlueCaliDem Jul 2016 #127

This is the second time you've mispelled "Democrats" in posting that. Ken Burch Jul 2016 #6

No, far left means... CajunBlazer Jul 2016 #11

I was talking to my friend from Australia AgingAmerican Jul 2016 #15

I'm sure you you'll get very dependable data from your sample of one Australian CajunBlazer Jul 2016 #18

He'd be a centrist in Europe too. Kentonio Jul 2016 #47

He's a centrist by European and Australian standards. You are very center right by those standards. Bluenorthwest Jul 2016 #58

+100000000000000000000000000000000 etc.... Phlem Jul 2016 #152

The biggest danger is not listening to the people. hollowdweller Jul 2016 #9

Who is to say that pulling the party further left is the right direction CajunBlazer Jul 2016 #12

Who is to say that it isn't? Ken Burch Jul 2016 #23

Only because that pulled more former Sanders supporters on board CajunBlazer Jul 2016 #25

The way you win centrist independents is to convey leadership. Ken Burch Jul 2016 #31

Well, since you seem to have a fetish for the center... Scootaloo Jul 2016 #32

your charts are only two dimensional. DLCWIdem Jul 2016 #80

Kinda like this... fleabiscuit Jul 2016 #101

Logic and Reason both say that. Schema Thing Jul 2016 #148

We tried pulling to the far left cosmicone Jul 2016 #44

McGovern lost because of Eagleton Kentonio Jul 2016 #48

He lost because he was too far left n/t cosmicone Jul 2016 #49

No, no he didn't. His 'too far left' position was pulling in a lot of people noone ever expected Kentonio Jul 2016 #50

Oh yes ... he had yuuuuuge rallies of college students cosmicone Jul 2016 #57

McGovern was pulling in real numbers from the blue collar areas too. Kentonio Jul 2016 #64

Your revision of the history notwithstanding cosmicone Jul 2016 #65

I'm sorry, I was under the impression that we were supposed to have put aside primary bickering. Kentonio Jul 2016 #66

I did not attack you. We were discussing McGovern v Nixon cosmicone Jul 2016 #67

Well can we do it without accusing the other of historical revisionism please? Kentonio Jul 2016 #70

You stated that McGovern had a real shot cosmicone Jul 2016 #72

From what I gather, at the point he won the primary there was a real belief he could push on Kentonio Jul 2016 #73

I was around for that race cosmicone Jul 2016 #74

Oh fair enough, thanks for the information. Kentonio Jul 2016 #75

McGovern of course n/t cosmicone Jul 2016 #86

Hehe, just needed to check you weren't a closet Muskie fan. Kentonio Jul 2016 #87

He lost 49 states "because of Eagleton?" MADem Jul 2016 #99

Post removed Post removed Jul 2016 #13

There is no ideology known as moderate - and that is a good thing CajunBlazer Jul 2016 #16

An ideology is a set of core beliefs AgingAmerican Jul 2016 #17

I have core beliefs, but they are my own CajunBlazer Jul 2016 #21

There's nothing wrong with ideology. forjusticethunders Jul 2016 #35

You aren't a political party AgingAmerican Jul 2016 #38

Ideology is not a word meaning 'shared system of thought' but simply 'a system of thought'. Bluenorthwest Jul 2016 #60

No one can denie that your i-de-ol-o-gy is shared or.... CajunBlazer Jul 2016 #61

You have no standing to speak of my thoughts for me, kiddo, much less of my education and family Bluenorthwest Jul 2016 #82

That's right, when losing an argument take the easy way out and... CajunBlazer Jul 2016 #110

There are several, in fact Scootaloo Jul 2016 #29

What the ideologies represent is an unwilliness to see the "other" side. DLCWIdem Jul 2016 #84

The Democratic party has drifted rightward for 30 years... John Poet Jul 2016 #20

And only you and those like you know what is best for the party. CajunBlazer Jul 2016 #22

It is certainly best for the Democratic party, John Poet Jul 2016 #24

See, this is the kind of crap I have come to expect from you CajunBlazer Jul 2016 #26

Is 'toying' another word for 'trolling'? John Poet Jul 2016 #28

Not quite to bed yet - thought you might try to slip one in when I couldn't respond CajunBlazer Jul 2016 #30

It's really basic human nature stuff AgingAmerican Jul 2016 #39

Are you now implying that those who don't agree with you are too simple minded... CajunBlazer Jul 2016 #76

I keep reading about the rightward drift creeksneakers2 Jul 2016 #33

How has it drifted rightward? BainsBane Jul 2016 #43

+1 CobaltBlue Jul 2016 #102

Who exactly determines where the Democratic Party "belongs"? George II Jul 2016 #142

What do you stand for, CajunBlazer? Scootaloo Jul 2016 #27

CajunBlazer—Neoliberal economic policies are No. 1 in being most damaging. CobaltBlue Jul 2016 #42

Call moderate progressives what you would like, we aren't concered with how you label us CajunBlazer Jul 2016 #63

CajunBlazer—Neoliberalism has made the more recent right-wing attacks possible. CobaltBlue Jul 2016 #69

"Neoliberalism" is yet the newest derogotory term.... CajunBlazer Jul 2016 #83

CajunBlazer— 'Neoliberalism' is an actual political term.… CobaltBlue Jul 2016 #89

Of course it is CajunBlazer Jul 2016 #94

CajunBlazer—Do it now! (Absolutely send that alert.) CobaltBlue Jul 2016 #97

Not yet, you haven't done anything to warrent an alert CajunBlazer Jul 2016 #125

CajunBlazer—Send an alert! CobaltBlue Jul 2016 #126

Post removed Post removed Jul 2016 #130

CajunBlazer—Send an alert! CobaltBlue Jul 2016 #132

"We this" "we that" katsy Jul 2016 #92

katsy—I have to wonder, 'What is the point of this thread?' CobaltBlue Jul 2016 #100

To insult fellow democrats IMO katsy Jul 2016 #111

The media is the greatest danger to the Democratic party. Buzz cook Jul 2016 #46

, what far left? Everything 'bad' in America came from Republicans. Sunlei Jul 2016 #51

K&R! stonecutter357 Jul 2016 #52

Well ... Scuba Jul 2016 #53

I guess a public option with Obama Care would be extremist. . . B Calm Jul 2016 #54

Point me the way to the plank. I'm ready to walk it. Vote2016 Jul 2016 #56

The folks who aggressively assert their own status as 'moderates' in glowing love letters to Bluenorthwest Jul 2016 #59

Don't compare me to other people who are not like me at all CajunBlazer Jul 2016 #62

I didn't. I noted that you share a large amount of rhetoric with persons I don't trust and then Bluenorthwest Jul 2016 #78

To use the rhetoric of the far left with which you are undoubtedly familiar... CajunBlazer Jul 2016 #90

Not a shred of policy difference mentioned, no positions stated, compared or contrasted just Bluenorthwest Jul 2016 #116

Nevertheless, Cajunblazer is correct. Hortensis Jul 2016 #149

And still no specifics. So you are sure 'those people' are worse than Republicans but you can't Bluenorthwest Jul 2016 #85

No, I didn't say that CajunBlazer Jul 2016 #91

This message was self-deleted by its author ismnotwasm Jul 2016 #107

Yes you did. "I don't think that the greatest danger to the Democratic Party is the GOP Bluenorthwest Jul 2016 #117

Yes, I did say that and I meant every word. CajunBlazer Jul 2016 #121

Let's have some specific examples. I think the majority of Americans are for the following Cal33 Jul 2016 #135

Puritopians wyldwolf Jul 2016 #68

You're all missing the key word here DemonGoddess Jul 2016 #71

perhaps it's the legacy of FDR G_j Jul 2016 #77

you guys are so addicted to FDR the epitome of progressivism DLCWIdem Jul 2016 #88

Or POC. nt fleabiscuit Jul 2016 #106

I guess that you didn't know that FDR was a stong believer in captilism CajunBlazer Jul 2016 #103

yes and FDR worked with business and labor both. DLCWIdem Jul 2016 #109

Quiet a bit of war during his administration also. Thinkingabout Jul 2016 #151

Ah, "the enemy within." Yes, we've heard that before in history. villager Jul 2016 #79

Comparing your opponent to someone considered evil is not only intellectually dishonest,... CajunBlazer Jul 2016 #112

Your OP is nothing but you comparing those you disagree with to Republicans. Bluenorthwest Jul 2016 #113

No, I compared them with the far right social conservatives CajunBlazer Jul 2016 #118

Whatever. Your OP is you comparing people you disagree with with those we all oppose, and Bluenorthwest Jul 2016 #153

I definitely agree there have been posts both intellectually dishonest.... villager Jul 2016 #150

Sorry to burst your bubble, but the moderate "center" holds quite well............ socialist_n_TN Jul 2016 #81

I think the greatest danger to the entire world is made up of those Multi-National Corporations that Cal33 Jul 2016 #93

Greedy corporations may be the greatest threat to the world CajunBlazer Jul 2016 #95

Even Pres. Jimmy Carter has said that we are now less a Democracy than we are Cal33 Jul 2016 #120

You probably also believe in conspiritcy theories and "the system is rigged.... CajunBlazer Jul 2016 #122

You would consider Debbie W. Schultz's handling of the Democratic Primary Debates 2016 Cal33 Jul 2016 #146

I get irked when I hear far right and far left depicted as equals. Vinca Jul 2016 #104

It's called intellectual dishonesty G_j Jul 2016 #105

Get over it - the statement is based on fact CajunBlazer Jul 2016 #108

CajunBlazer—You have bombed! CobaltBlue Jul 2016 #114

LOL! CajunBlazer Jul 2016 #115

CajunBlazer—Yes. You exposed yourself by trying to control and by being foolish. CobaltBlue Jul 2016 #119

Riiiight... CajunBlazer Jul 2016 #123

What has CajunBlazer exposed? ismnotwasm Jul 2016 #124

ismnotwasm—Go through all of his/her responses after the OP. CobaltBlue Jul 2016 #129

Ok I did ismnotwasm Jul 2016 #138

ismnotwasm—Understand. (Correctly.) CobaltBlue Jul 2016 #140

So you're saying it's bad to go for broke? Vinca Jul 2016 #128

If you want to put all of your money on "00" and spin the wheel, go for it CajunBlazer Jul 2016 #131

If you start in the center and then negotiate right you always lose. Vinca Jul 2016 #154

I don't think so, either, Cajun. It will always be the enemy within that's the greatest threat to BlueCaliDem Jul 2016 #133

BlueCaliDem—Democrats don’t win general elections with only self-identified Democrats. CobaltBlue Jul 2016 #137

The GOP today is practically under the total control and ownership of the Multi-National Cal33 Jul 2016 #136

The Democratic Party was a powerful force for good from FDR through Carter senz Jul 2016 #139

Regrettably some neither understand the meaning of that difference nor care to learn it. Ford_Prefect Jul 2016 #141

the greatest danger is ignorance. and there's a lot of stupid going around. Native Jul 2016 #143

Wow, zealots,extremist positions,stifling gridlock. And you lump democrats and republicans in that insta8er Jul 2016 #144

insta8er—Questionable 'views' from the person who created the thread. CobaltBlue Jul 2016 #145

derp Warren DeMontague Jul 2016 #147

That's an understatement. nt Electric Monk Jul 2016 #159

The greatest threat to the Democratic Party is -- Hell Hath No Fury Jul 2016 #155

Not necessarily. In ten years those young people who want free college now pnwmom Jul 2016 #157

Neoliberals. Neoliberals are the greatest danger. PowerToThePeople Jul 2016 #156

I don't think you could be more wrong. Failing to stand for something is political suicide. nt Electric Monk Jul 2016 #158