2016 Postmortem

ismnotwasm

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36. Yup

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 12:48 PM

Jul 2016

I was reading a fictional story that included a diplomat involved in complex negotiations. I may need to pursue that route for understanding.

Good historical fiction (or VERY good non-fiction) can help me make sense of issues I have no education in, because it creates relatable characters I can like or dislike. Probably has something to do with how I think, I guess.

On edit--I am trying to wade through the treaty--but it's like philosophy, if you don't understand the language, you miss most of what is valuable

https://ustr.gov/trade-agreements/free-trade-agreements/trans-pacific-partnership/tpp-full-text

Yikes.

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Clinton Opposes Lame Duck Vote on TPP [View all] MineralMan Jul 2016 OP

K&R! DemonGoddess Jul 2016 #1

Why doesn't she just oppose a vote now? pangaia Jul 2016 #2

Maybe because she has no power to control votes right now? MoonRiver Jul 2016 #4

He is still president after the election also. pangaia Jul 2016 #5

She will begin to fulfill her roll as President after being sworn in. MoonRiver Jul 2016 #6

She did. Did you read the excerpt in the OP. She said, and I quote: MineralMan Jul 2016 #11

Sign it in blood. /sarc yeoman6987 Jul 2016 #26

Oppose the vote.. the vote... pangaia Jul 2016 #50

It's not coming up for a vote until after the election Renew Deal Jul 2016 #52

good for her AntiBank Jul 2016 #3

If that's her position, I wonder why all her committee members voted against putting it in the platform? thesquanderer Jul 2016 #7

Because platforms are about future directions. Specifics about a pending MineralMan Jul 2016 #9

That's a specious argument. Whether a pending bill is approved or not is about "future direction". PoliticAverse Jul 2016 #48

HRC: �I oppose the TPP agreement � and that means before and after the election.� Enough riversedge Jul 2016 #65

'Hillary Clinton has signaled'... HumanityExperiment Jul 2016 #8

Who says? Who are "we?" MineralMan Jul 2016 #10

'That's enough for me'... HumanityExperiment Jul 2016 #13

You can "expect and demand" whatever you wish. MineralMan Jul 2016 #14

We are a movement... HumanityExperiment Jul 2016 #16

Well, I wish I could have afforded to make a try to be a delegate MineralMan Jul 2016 #17

Sorry kiddo, The Party Platform is like Miss Congeniality leftofcool Jul 2016 #18

Actions speak louder than words. Sorry. Signaling doesn't mean jack..... think Jul 2016 #29

Paper? Read the second paragraph of the excerpt in the OP. MineralMan Jul 2016 #12

again... HumanityExperiment Jul 2016 #15

Then don't vote for her. leftofcool Jul 2016 #19

ok timmymoff Jul 2016 #20

Shoot- can't we have a discussiion choie Jul 2016 #54

Nobody asked you to. leftofcool Jul 2016 #62

Signaling isn't a commitment choie Jul 2016 #63

You want Hillary to pass a law opposing tpp? La Lioness Priyanka Jul 2016 #22

Interesting, isn't it. MineralMan Jul 2016 #24

Interesting how everyone KNOWS Bernie Sanders is against the TPP but hardly anyone knows Clinton is think Jul 2016 #51

It is interesting, given how easy it is to Google MineralMan Jul 2016 #53

Is that how leadership works? think Jul 2016 #55

Except that she's said so about half a dozen times. TwilightZone Jul 2016 #58

I know because I read. Yet even here on DU I've needed to remind people where she stands think Jul 2016 #59

what do you not get about supporting DEM principles within trade agreements? HumanityExperiment Jul 2016 #40

I didn't get your comment about a law should be passed La Lioness Priyanka Jul 2016 #44

I figured as much... HumanityExperiment Jul 2016 #45

Umm ok. La Lioness Priyanka Jul 2016 #46

exactly... HumanityExperiment Jul 2016 #49

Its the "my candidate right or wrong" choie Jul 2016 #57

agreed HumanityExperiment Jul 2016 #60

And really, she didn't truly "signal" this at all. That's a selective interpretation. thesquanderer Jul 2016 #37

+1 jack_krass Jul 2016 #56

Post removed Post removed Jul 2016 #21

Even Obama wants a vote before the election. Congressional republicans seem afraid to anger pampango Jul 2016 #23

Another Democratic perspective - from our Democratic president: yallerdawg Jul 2016 #25

I haven't actually formed an opinion about TPP. MineralMan Jul 2016 #30

Huh ismnotwasm Jul 2016 #27

Yes, we have to have trade deals. We engage in MineralMan Jul 2016 #31

Yeah I don't understand them either ismnotwasm Jul 2016 #33

The TPP is a 12-state agreement. I would imagine that MineralMan Jul 2016 #34

Yup ismnotwasm Jul 2016 #36

I approve of this position. PowerToThePeople Jul 2016 #28

That appears to be her position, and has been for some time. MineralMan Jul 2016 #32

So do I. I approve of this position. Rex Jul 2016 #35

Well, it's Clinton's position. MineralMan Jul 2016 #38

Another good reason to vote for her imo. Rex Jul 2016 #39

True enough. I trust her on this one. MineralMan Jul 2016 #41

Well Trump would ruin this country imo, he is the worst thing to come along since Dubya. Rex Jul 2016 #42

Yup. That's what I'll be working toward, for sure. MineralMan Jul 2016 #43

trade deals are written by and for corporations. "people" are not a consideration in any of them nt msongs Jul 2016 #47

What does that have to do with Clinton's stated opposition to the TPP? MineralMan Jul 2016 #61

�I oppose the TPP agreement � and that means before and after the election.� nt bemildred Jul 2016 #64