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2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: What are 3 things that would make any trade agreement acceptable to those opposing TPP? [View all]think
(11,641 posts)49. AFL-CIO: "Labor's So-Called "Seat at the Table" at TPP Negotiations"
Labor's So-Called "Seat at the Table" at TPP Negotiations
For the average citizen, the negotiating process for the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) is anything but transparent. The negotiators for the United States and the other 11 TPP countries (Australia, Brunei Darussalam, Canada, Chile, Malaysia, Mexico, New Zealand, Japan, Peru, Singapore, and Vietnam) meet in private. The negotiating texts are not public. Even Members of Congress do not have unlimited access and cannot seek advice from outside experts.
The TPP, like many of the failed trade agreements that came before it, will cover issues including health, food safety, conservation and environmental protections, Wall Street regulations, labor rights, and a whole host of other issues that, under our system of government, would have to be debated publicly in Congress before becoming law. But because the U.S. government treats trade deals differently than all other policiesit is allowed to negotiate rules that affect our lives in these areas behind closed doors. This is undemocratic.
Ive heard labor has a seat at the table and gets to see the TPP texts. Is this true?
No. Under U.S. law, there are several trade advisersprivate citizens appointed by the Presidentwho advise on trade policies. Of these advisers, the vast majority (85% according to the Washington Post) represent businesses. About 5% of the advisers represent labor. The other 10% represent local and state government officials, academics, think tanks and non-governmental organizations. Labor advisers are allowed to review and advise on draft U.S. proposalsadvice that the United States Trade Representative (USTR) can freely ignore. But we are locked out of the negotiating room and cannot see the actual negotiating texts, which combine the proposals from all 12 countries and evolve over time as negotiations progress. Nor can we share what we learn with members without violating national security laws.
Ive heard USTR say the AFL-CIO is satisfied with the level of transparency in the TPP negotiations. Is this true?
No. We have been pushing not just for more transparency, but for a more democratic and participatory process since the beginning. The USTR has quoted selectively from AFL-CIO testimony about the TPP provided to Congress three years ago, when the TPP was still taking shape. At that time, we were very hopeful that our ideas for a more progressive trade agenda would be adopted into the TPP. Here is the entire quote in context:
Read more:
http://www.aflcio.org/Issues/Trade/Fast-Track-Legislation/Labor-s-So-Called-Seat-at-the-Table-at-TPP-Negotiations
For the average citizen, the negotiating process for the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) is anything but transparent. The negotiators for the United States and the other 11 TPP countries (Australia, Brunei Darussalam, Canada, Chile, Malaysia, Mexico, New Zealand, Japan, Peru, Singapore, and Vietnam) meet in private. The negotiating texts are not public. Even Members of Congress do not have unlimited access and cannot seek advice from outside experts.
The TPP, like many of the failed trade agreements that came before it, will cover issues including health, food safety, conservation and environmental protections, Wall Street regulations, labor rights, and a whole host of other issues that, under our system of government, would have to be debated publicly in Congress before becoming law. But because the U.S. government treats trade deals differently than all other policiesit is allowed to negotiate rules that affect our lives in these areas behind closed doors. This is undemocratic.
Ive heard labor has a seat at the table and gets to see the TPP texts. Is this true?
No. Under U.S. law, there are several trade advisersprivate citizens appointed by the Presidentwho advise on trade policies. Of these advisers, the vast majority (85% according to the Washington Post) represent businesses. About 5% of the advisers represent labor. The other 10% represent local and state government officials, academics, think tanks and non-governmental organizations. Labor advisers are allowed to review and advise on draft U.S. proposalsadvice that the United States Trade Representative (USTR) can freely ignore. But we are locked out of the negotiating room and cannot see the actual negotiating texts, which combine the proposals from all 12 countries and evolve over time as negotiations progress. Nor can we share what we learn with members without violating national security laws.
Ive heard USTR say the AFL-CIO is satisfied with the level of transparency in the TPP negotiations. Is this true?
No. We have been pushing not just for more transparency, but for a more democratic and participatory process since the beginning. The USTR has quoted selectively from AFL-CIO testimony about the TPP provided to Congress three years ago, when the TPP was still taking shape. At that time, we were very hopeful that our ideas for a more progressive trade agenda would be adopted into the TPP. Here is the entire quote in context:
Read more:
http://www.aflcio.org/Issues/Trade/Fast-Track-Legislation/Labor-s-So-Called-Seat-at-the-Table-at-TPP-Negotiations
No one is suggesting not having trade deals and being isolationists. But the unions and others like Sanders do want FAIR trade deals.
If the AFL-CIO got a true seat at the table like the corporate "advisors" (All top lobbyists and executives from the corporations. Even the top USTR TRade Rep, Michael Froman, is an ex Citigroup banker who got millions in bonuses to join the Obanma administration from Citigtoup.); and at least some of their ideas and concerns were addressed in regards to the TPP we probably wouldn't be having this conversation...
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What are 3 things that would make any trade agreement acceptable to those opposing TPP? [View all]
uponit7771
Jul 2016
OP
"we" didnt prop wall street that's a wingerish meme "we" are sick of people spouting wingerish memes
uponit7771
Jul 2016
#16
Dogmatic isn't progressive, there's a reason why we do trade and not isolate ourselves
uponit7771
Jul 2016
#15
And yet we do major trade boycotts such as the sanctions against South Africa
Bluenorthwest
Jul 2016
#66
So pretty much Brexit would lower the current GDP of Britain right now seeing they just voted to...
uponit7771
Jul 2016
#22
This reads whats not to like in TPP, I'm asking for 3 things every trade agreement has to have to...
uponit7771
Jul 2016
#19
First off, why is it always from our/USA perspective? What about poor counties who we have not
Hoyt
Jul 2016
#31
Why should it be the perspective of over 500 US corporate lobbyists & executives?
think
Jul 2016
#32
I believe many here, view foreign workers as competition, little more than scabs. The hatred shows.
Hoyt
Jul 2016
#33
Trump supporters might have a disgusting opinion like that but Democrats & Unions want FAIR trade
think
Jul 2016
#34
How would the USTR address foreign murders? I agree it's revolting, but are we supposed to bomb
Hoyt
Jul 2016
#35
Bomb them? Good grief. Can we be realistic here and not engage is sensationalization?
think
Jul 2016
#37
They are considered scabs when people complain that they will work for less, even if no one
Hoyt
Jul 2016
#45
Farmers making 50 cents a day are getting jobs at higher pay, some much higher $8/hour at Audi, etc.
Hoyt
Jul 2016
#64
Froman has many, many more years as a government official. Unions' position has been clear, no
Hoyt
Jul 2016
#60
Lots of small businesses and international businesses in FL are in favor of TPP...
Sancho
Jul 2016
#8
America doesn't have all the resources to everything, the notion that we do is false and I agree....
uponit7771
Jul 2016
#20
Thx for your responce. on 1 what would a country or corp do if they law of the land is lax like the
uponit7771
Jul 2016
#21
Not having it written by Lobbyists, All Pacific Rim including China--Right now China benefits most!
TheBlackAdder
Jul 2016
#23
I agree, our CURRENT displacement laws suck and aren't enforced at all.. corps are ALLOWED to...
uponit7771
Jul 2016
#26
I've heard both that labor and environmental standards not enforced well enough,
pampango
Jul 2016
#27
So displacement laws strengthed sounds like its at the top of most people's list. Our displacement
uponit7771
Jul 2016
#40
1. That nation that has the highest human and environmental standards shall dictate all conditions.
Alex4Martinez
Jul 2016
#29
Since our labor standards are so low, we'll only be "dictating" conditions with Third World
pampango
Jul 2016
#46
I agree, up thread some talked about displacement laws being too lax. If they displacement laws were
uponit7771
Jul 2016
#51
I don't care to legitimize nor empower governments that abuse and oppress minority populations.
Bluenorthwest
Jul 2016
#52
Judicial power of the states involved in disputes should not be diminished
The Second Stone
Jul 2016
#57