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2016 Postmortem

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auntpurl

(4,311 posts)
Fri Jul 8, 2016, 11:30 AM Jul 2016

10 common objections to Hillary Clinton - and how to counter them [View all]

I'll start out by saying that the arguments I'm about to make are not for use with people who simply believe Hillary is a liar, untrustworthy, or Satan. These arguments are for people who have an incomplete or misinformed understanding of her policies and might be swayed by a more thorough and accurate understanding.

(Some of this was copied and modified from an in-thread post I made yesterday. Please do feel free to add common objections and your counter-arguments.)

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1. Fracking: Hillary is not in FAVOR of fracking. If the choices are foreign oil, coal, and fracking AT THE MOMENT, she chooses fracking as the least damaging option - as a stop-gap solution to keep people heating their homes and getting to work. She also has environmental limits on where fracking should be pursued. At the same time, she has a comprehensive plan to build a renewable energy infrastructure and create thousands of jobs in the process: https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/climate/

2. Foreign policy/"warmongering": Hillary enacted President Obama's policies as SOS. She has promised to use diplomacy up and until it is no longer a viable approach. Whether you believe her comes down to character, but in terms of her stated positions, she is no warmonger. https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/national-security/

3. Opposition to Glass-Steagall: Hillary has a comprehensive plan to eliminate the banks' ability to take dangerous risks and weaken the economy. https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/wall-street/

4. Super PACs: Hillary is in favour of comprehensive campaign finance reform. We need a majority in Congress to get this passed (not to mention a Democratic president to appoint SC judges who will overturn Citizens United - which Hillary has promised is a litmus test for her when choosing candidates) - and I am extremely opposed to our Democratic candidates playing a game of chicken and being the first to stop taking big money BEFORE everyone else has to stop too. We need to get into office before we can make these changes. https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/campaign-finance-reform/

5. Speeches to Wall Street: Hillary was a private citizen, many former politicians make speeches for big money (in addition to loads of other kinds of celebrities), and there has never been any proof of quid pro quo. Also, the speeches to big banks/Wall Street were only a small portion of the total number and dollar amount of speeches she gave.

6. Opposition to healthcare for all: Hillary supports expanding and improving the ACA. Removing it entirely and hoping to get something even more left-wing passed is not reasonable in our political climate. https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/health-care/

7. Opposition to free tuition: Hillary has added debt-free college to her platform: https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/college/

8. Iraq war vote: Hillary has apologised for her vote without qualification. http://www.politico.com/story/2015/05/hillary-clinton-iraq-war-vote-mistake-iowa-118109 She was lied to, but she says plainly that she got it wrong. It comes down to whether someone can be forgiven for getting something that monumental wrong. For me, I can forgive a mistake like that, because lots of other intelligent, thoughtful people made the same mistake, fell for the same lies, and GWB absolutely DID abuse the limited authority given to him by that vote. The mess in Iraq can be laid at the feet of GWB. But everyone needs to take responsibility for their part in it, and I believe Hillary has.

9. Protecting social security: Hillary has promised to oppose any attempts to privatise or weaken SS or Medicare. https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/social-security-and-medicare/

10. Minimum wage: Hillary is in favor of a $12 an hour federal minimum wage, and state and local efforts to raise in to $15 when appropriate. This is a compromise approach that won't cripple small businesses in less-wealthy areas while still supporting big cities to pay their workers a living wage. https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/labor/

Hillary also has comprehensive progressive policies regarding:

Addiction/substance abuse https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/addiction/
Disability rights: https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/disability-rights/
Immigration reform: https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/immigration-reform/
Paid family and medical leave: https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/paid-leave/

among many others, on her website. I encourage you to read it - the plans are really well thought-out, paid for, and realistic in our political climate.

I hope this is helpful, and please add your own thoughts.

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The one that I always hear is "I don't trust her" liberal N proud Jul 2016 #1
I can answer that quite easily. Exilednight Jul 2016 #2
So I am not supposed to trust Hillary? liberal N proud Jul 2016 #3
Post removed Post removed Jul 2016 #8
YOU can trust her. That's what's great about Exilednight Jul 2016 #22
Very creative liberal N proud Jul 2016 #30
Do you have a link to that? Happyhippychick Jul 2016 #6
Here's a good summary Exilednight Jul 2016 #23
What destroys that theory is hans blix and un weapons inspectors BlueStateLib Jul 2016 #25
You'd be pretty naive to think that. Exilednight Jul 2016 #27
Her own husband was pushing the "Saddam's WMD Nukes!!" bullshit in 1998 arcane1 Jul 2016 #28
Not sure why you're posting this here. ciaobaby Jul 2016 #4
Post removed Post removed Jul 2016 #5
^^^ THIS ^^^ HumanityExperiment Jul 2016 #7
Perhaps if I respond with "Authentic Frontier Gibberish," the censorship squad won't strike! TheBlackAdder Jul 2016 #40
My thoughts exactly! nt dflprincess Jul 2016 #52
ah another Sanders fan chanting his projected intolerance. So much fun to hear ad infinitum Bill USA Jul 2016 #10
Chanting ???? Really - it was a simple statement. ciaobaby Jul 2016 #18
chanting repetitive recitation of the same statement. Bernie fans have from beginning accused Bill USA Jul 2016 #39
It's an attempt to provide a resource for people who are auntpurl Jul 2016 #12
I intended no insult. What did you interpret at an insult ciaobaby Jul 2016 #19
I'm sorry, it was the two replies to your post auntpurl Jul 2016 #20
Thanks for the explanation. ciaobaby Jul 2016 #21
It's very easy not to break the new rules, and Hortensis Jul 2016 #26
Excellent post, thank you. auntpurl Jul 2016 #29
Yeah, I'm not sure that list is particularly helpful zipplewrath Jul 2016 #46
. Jester Messiah Jul 2016 #36
Re #8. So Bush lied to her, eh? Did she ever call for Bush's impeachment KingCharlemagne Jul 2016 #9
Of course that's your decision. auntpurl Jul 2016 #13
Post removed Post removed Jul 2016 #24
Hey, the moving goalposts are back. First it was because she cast the vote. But she had already BobbyDrake Jul 2016 #32
Out of curiosity, did Bernie? If not, then why the double standards? I'd like a source too. synergie Jul 2016 #42
Why single her out? Because she's running for President? Now, the first (and second).... George II Jul 2016 #43
my thoughts Qutzupalotl Jul 2016 #11
As you correctly say, Hillary opposes the TPP in its current form. auntpurl Jul 2016 #14
I am in favor of replacing ACA with single payer Qutzupalotl Jul 2016 #15
Or that simply introducing single-payer legislation would repeal the ACA. Ken Burch Jul 2016 #34
Replacing, not trashing. Ken Burch Jul 2016 #35
Nicely done Auntie! Bookmarking :-) Maru Kitteh Jul 2016 #16
Glad it's useful! auntpurl Jul 2016 #17
k & r LAS14 Jul 2016 #31
One correction: single-payer legislation would not cause the ACA to be "removed" Ken Burch Jul 2016 #33
I would rather be more accurate. Vattel Jul 2016 #37
My counter to the IWR is more of an acknowledgement that she was wrong OhioBlue Jul 2016 #38
See I agree ismnotwasm Jul 2016 #48
Bookmarked! Thanks, Auntpurl. Hekate Jul 2016 #41
Do not trust her Jsurguy Jul 2016 #44
MIRT! auntpurl Jul 2016 #45
MIRT! ismnotwasm Jul 2016 #47
So you believe all the right wing lies? Loki Jul 2016 #49
Thanks for posting this, auntpurl. AgadorSparticus Jul 2016 #50
I don't know what to say to "I don't like her" except "Why?" northoftheborder Jul 2016 #51
Great Post. 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2016 #53
Super amazingly helpful. qwlauren35 Aug 2016 #54
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