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Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
26. It's very easy not to break the new rules, and
Fri Jul 8, 2016, 04:47 PM
Jul 2016

I took Auntpurl's post as it was meant -- suggested positive ways to answer attacks.

I disagree with the Iraq War item as stated. She voted to increase W's power to deal with a rebellious Hussain, who was threatening to break out of the constraints we'd imposed for a decade and refusing weapons inspections. We didn't lose a single pilot in all those years we patrolled Iraq and kept Hussain confined to a third of the nation and unable to continue his genocide of people in the other two thirds.

It was W who fulfilled the worries of those who voted yes, including her, by misusing the power they gave him in bypassing more limited efforts and launching a full-scale invasion, and then failing at that. Hussain was not the only leader who needed severe constraint. She apologized in retrospect for making the wrong decision, but imo every person who voted W into power, including some here, owes the world a grave apology. We can be pretty sure he wasn't her choice.

Because bipartisan support for this resolution makes success in the United Nations more likely, and therefore, war less likely, and because a good faith effort by the United States, even if it fails, will bring more allies and legitimacy to our cause, I have concluded, after careful and serious consideration, that a vote for the resolution best serves the security of our nation. If we were to defeat this resolution or pass it with only a few Democrats, I am concerned that those who want to pretend this problem will go way with delay will oppose any UN resolution calling for unrestricted inspections.

This is a very difficult vote. This is probably the hardest decision I have ever had to make -- any vote that may lead to war should be hard -- but I cast it with conviction.

My vote is not, however, a vote for any new doctrine of pre-emption, or for uni-lateralism, or for the arrogance of American power or purpose -- all of which carry grave dangers for our nation, for the rule of international law and for the peace and security of people throughout the world.
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So it is with conviction that I support this resolution as being in the best interests of our nation. A vote for it is not a vote to rush to war; it is a vote that puts awesome responsibility in the hands of our President and we say to him - use these powers wisely and as a last resort. And it is a vote that says clearly to Saddam Hussein - this is your last chance - disarm or be disarmed.

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The one that I always hear is "I don't trust her" liberal N proud Jul 2016 #1
I can answer that quite easily. Exilednight Jul 2016 #2
So I am not supposed to trust Hillary? liberal N proud Jul 2016 #3
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YOU can trust her. That's what's great about Exilednight Jul 2016 #22
Very creative liberal N proud Jul 2016 #30
Do you have a link to that? Happyhippychick Jul 2016 #6
Here's a good summary Exilednight Jul 2016 #23
What destroys that theory is hans blix and un weapons inspectors BlueStateLib Jul 2016 #25
You'd be pretty naive to think that. Exilednight Jul 2016 #27
Her own husband was pushing the "Saddam's WMD Nukes!!" bullshit in 1998 arcane1 Jul 2016 #28
Not sure why you're posting this here. ciaobaby Jul 2016 #4
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^^^ THIS ^^^ HumanityExperiment Jul 2016 #7
Perhaps if I respond with "Authentic Frontier Gibberish," the censorship squad won't strike! TheBlackAdder Jul 2016 #40
My thoughts exactly! nt dflprincess Jul 2016 #52
ah another Sanders fan chanting his projected intolerance. So much fun to hear ad infinitum Bill USA Jul 2016 #10
Chanting ???? Really - it was a simple statement. ciaobaby Jul 2016 #18
chanting repetitive recitation of the same statement. Bernie fans have from beginning accused Bill USA Jul 2016 #39
It's an attempt to provide a resource for people who are auntpurl Jul 2016 #12
I intended no insult. What did you interpret at an insult ciaobaby Jul 2016 #19
I'm sorry, it was the two replies to your post auntpurl Jul 2016 #20
Thanks for the explanation. ciaobaby Jul 2016 #21
It's very easy not to break the new rules, and Hortensis Jul 2016 #26
Excellent post, thank you. auntpurl Jul 2016 #29
Yeah, I'm not sure that list is particularly helpful zipplewrath Jul 2016 #46
. Jester Messiah Jul 2016 #36
Re #8. So Bush lied to her, eh? Did she ever call for Bush's impeachment KingCharlemagne Jul 2016 #9
Of course that's your decision. auntpurl Jul 2016 #13
Post removed Post removed Jul 2016 #24
Hey, the moving goalposts are back. First it was because she cast the vote. But she had already BobbyDrake Jul 2016 #32
Out of curiosity, did Bernie? If not, then why the double standards? I'd like a source too. synergie Jul 2016 #42
Why single her out? Because she's running for President? Now, the first (and second).... George II Jul 2016 #43
my thoughts Qutzupalotl Jul 2016 #11
As you correctly say, Hillary opposes the TPP in its current form. auntpurl Jul 2016 #14
I am in favor of replacing ACA with single payer Qutzupalotl Jul 2016 #15
Or that simply introducing single-payer legislation would repeal the ACA. Ken Burch Jul 2016 #34
Replacing, not trashing. Ken Burch Jul 2016 #35
Nicely done Auntie! Bookmarking :-) Maru Kitteh Jul 2016 #16
Glad it's useful! auntpurl Jul 2016 #17
k & r LAS14 Jul 2016 #31
One correction: single-payer legislation would not cause the ACA to be "removed" Ken Burch Jul 2016 #33
I would rather be more accurate. Vattel Jul 2016 #37
My counter to the IWR is more of an acknowledgement that she was wrong OhioBlue Jul 2016 #38
See I agree ismnotwasm Jul 2016 #48
Bookmarked! Thanks, Auntpurl. Hekate Jul 2016 #41
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MIRT! auntpurl Jul 2016 #45
MIRT! ismnotwasm Jul 2016 #47
So you believe all the right wing lies? Loki Jul 2016 #49
Thanks for posting this, auntpurl. AgadorSparticus Jul 2016 #50
I don't know what to say to "I don't like her" except "Why?" northoftheborder Jul 2016 #51
Great Post. 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2016 #53
Super amazingly helpful. qwlauren35 Aug 2016 #54
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