2016 Postmortem

portlander23

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4. Libertarians won't bite

Sat Jul 9, 2016, 01:25 PM

Jul 2016

Trump, full of shit though he may be, is talking populist talk and that will resonate with some people. He's mixing it with racism and nativism which is a nasty combination. The Democrats have the opportunity to put forward a progressive answer to neoliberalism, but it doesn't look like that's forthcoming.

Given a choice between a demagogue who's pretending to address real concerns vs. a party that appears uninterested, a lot of people are going to go with the demagogue. It's terrible electoral strategy. This gives Trump ammunition to say that Mrs. Clinton is not sincere in her opposition to TPP, and that's to his advantage.

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Anti-TPP Amendment Fails at Heated Dem Platform Meeting [View all] portlander23 Jul 2016 OP

Definitely a bad choice by Dems. But don't forget there won't be any anti-TPP language in the GOP's villager Jul 2016 #1

Perot portlander23 Jul 2016 #2

Well, if he talks it up more than Clinton. But neither party will be "officially" against it. villager Jul 2016 #3

Libertarians won't bite portlander23 Jul 2016 #4

.+1 840high Jul 2016 #5

The real question is whether the Democratic rank-and-file can kill it off. villager Jul 2016 #6

Lame duck is to our disadvantage portlander23 Jul 2016 #7

Good point. If this administration craps out TPP all over us during the Lame Duck, that will severly villager Jul 2016 #10

Her "campaign trail" would be over, at that point. It would knee cap her administration. (nt) w4rma Jul 2016 #52

I'm just tired of 'brands.' pangaia Jul 2016 #57

Her eventual support will be due to some "new protections" or some such b.s . CentralMass Jul 2016 #29

would seem likely. nt villager Jul 2016 #30

TPP Opposed by the American People dishatin Jul 2016 #65

I really don't care about how "embarrassed" Obama is over his TPP support. w4rma Jul 2016 #8

Put your egos in your pockets and stop the grandstanding. annavictorious Jul 2016 #9

The loss was about President Obama's ego. And the opposition to the TPP won't stop. w4rma Jul 2016 #11

Obama needs to be permitted to allow this to quietly die. annavictorious Jul 2016 #14

If he is fine with it 'quietly' dying, then he shouldn't oppose statements against it, anywhere.(nt) w4rma Jul 2016 #15

Thank you. whathehell Jul 2016 #58

It's ok to screw working people as long as we don't embarrass a sitting president portlander23 Jul 2016 #12

The Sanders side needs to stop being so concerned about who is going to be able to claim credit. annavictorious Jul 2016 #16

It's not about "claiming credit". It's about stopping the TPP from ever becoming law. (nt) w4rma Jul 2016 #17

How would the proposed amendment stop TPP from becoming law? annavictorious Jul 2016 #23

Stating that Democrats are against the TPP allows no wiggle room to rewrite history and be for it. w4rma Jul 2016 #25

"Wiggle room" for who? Lord Magus Jul 2016 #66

I agree! DianaForRussFeingold Jul 2016 #63

Interesting! nt DianaForRussFeingold Jul 2016 #44

Thank you! DemonGoddess Jul 2016 #69

Fuck any "Dem" who supports this retched deal. TDale313 Jul 2016 #13

Nobody wants the deal at this point. annavictorious Jul 2016 #19

Of course it failed. KMOD Jul 2016 #18

But it's fine to take potshots at working people portlander23 Jul 2016 #20

It doesn't need to be in the platform. KMOD Jul 2016 #22

The Sanders faction wants credit. It's disgusting. annavictorious Jul 2016 #24

It is disgusting. KMOD Jul 2016 #42

What is disgusting is these weaseling-out-later words. (nt) w4rma Jul 2016 #50

"In it's current form" Those are weasel-out-of-it words. (nt) w4rma Jul 2016 #27

see post #40 KMOD Jul 2016 #47

Allowing wiggle room to eventually support it. CentralMass Jul 2016 #33

We are going to need to do something to correct bad trade agreements. KMOD Jul 2016 #40

+1000! DemonGoddess Jul 2016 #71

Of course it did. It's Too LIBERAL!! Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2016 #21

Hillary will surely be uncomfortable, since she supposedly hates the TPP and all. arcane1 Jul 2016 #26

So "uncomfortable" that she's given the word to most all of her surrogates to not oppose the TPP w4rma Jul 2016 #28

It's like trying to explain chess annavictorious Jul 2016 #32

Remember the last time the Clintons 'played chess' with a 'free' trade agreement? w4rma Jul 2016 #35

You continue to miss the point. Lord Magus Jul 2016 #64

Huh, to a 5 year old DianaForRussFeingold Jul 2016 #49

The unions, environmental, indigenous, human rights groups and many top Democrats are opposed think Jul 2016 #62

Yeah, the TPP could easily knock a half to three-quarters of a % point stopbush Jul 2016 #31

NAFTA cost the Democrats control of Congress for the first time since the New Deal. (nt) w4rma Jul 2016 #34

Different times, different issue, myopic reading of history. stopbush Jul 2016 #36

The Republicans *say* they oppose these 'free' trade agreements, then quietly vote for them. w4rma Jul 2016 #37

I hate to tell you, but TPP is not an issue in this election for the vast stopbush Jul 2016 #38

You don't 'hate' to say that. It's not even true. These 'free' trade agreements underlie Trump's w4rma Jul 2016 #41

Sanders did NOT nearly beat Hillary. He lost OVERWHELMINGLY by any stopbush Jul 2016 #48

No, Trump's ability to win the GOP primary was based on open racism. DanTex Jul 2016 #59

"The apparatchiks of the Orwellian neoliberal candidate voted against annavictorious Jul 2016 #39

Paul Krugman: The Very Serious People who nearly destroyed the American economy have learned nothing w4rma Jul 2016 #43

Remind me again who Krugman supported in 2008 annavictorious Jul 2016 #45

BRAVO!!! MohRokTah Jul 2016 #46

You fully support the TPP and don't believe for a second that Clinton/Obama won't try to pass it. nt w4rma Jul 2016 #51

I'm hoping for a lame duck ratification. MohRokTah Jul 2016 #53

You're getting your way. She supports the TPP, otherwise she wouldn't be telling her surrogates w4rma Jul 2016 #54

Please provide the link to audio or video of Hillary telling her "surrogates" MohRokTah Jul 2016 #55

Most every surrogate that she picks just happens to oppose writing any anti-TPP statements. (nt) w4rma Jul 2016 #60

Delegates are not beholden to anybody when voting on the platform. MohRokTah Jul 2016 #61

It's pointless to engage with folks annavictorious Jul 2016 #67

The important thing is what the TPP actually DOES rather than the considerations of the possible think Jul 2016 #72

A big reason that you guys support Hillary is for the Clintons' past 'free' trade support. w4rma Jul 2016 #68

And now you claim to know why I support Hillary Clinton? MohRokTah Jul 2016 #70

This will not limit what Clinton says or doesn't say about TPP. Tal Vez Jul 2016 #56

Ok, so the amendment failed. It was discussed and voted on. We like democracy until we don't. nt Jitter65 Jul 2016 #73