2016 Postmortem

DemonGoddess

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Anti-TPP Amendment Fails at Heated Dem Platform Meeting [View all] portlander23 Jul 2016 OP

Definitely a bad choice by Dems. But don't forget there won't be any anti-TPP language in the GOP's villager Jul 2016 #1

Perot portlander23 Jul 2016 #2

Well, if he talks it up more than Clinton. But neither party will be "officially" against it. villager Jul 2016 #3

Libertarians won't bite portlander23 Jul 2016 #4

.+1 840high Jul 2016 #5

The real question is whether the Democratic rank-and-file can kill it off. villager Jul 2016 #6

Lame duck is to our disadvantage portlander23 Jul 2016 #7

Good point. If this administration craps out TPP all over us during the Lame Duck, that will severly villager Jul 2016 #10

Her "campaign trail" would be over, at that point. It would knee cap her administration. (nt) w4rma Jul 2016 #52

I'm just tired of 'brands.' pangaia Jul 2016 #57

Her eventual support will be due to some "new protections" or some such b.s . CentralMass Jul 2016 #29

would seem likely. nt villager Jul 2016 #30

TPP Opposed by the American People dishatin Jul 2016 #65

I really don't care about how "embarrassed" Obama is over his TPP support. w4rma Jul 2016 #8

Put your egos in your pockets and stop the grandstanding. annavictorious Jul 2016 #9

The loss was about President Obama's ego. And the opposition to the TPP won't stop. w4rma Jul 2016 #11

Obama needs to be permitted to allow this to quietly die. annavictorious Jul 2016 #14

If he is fine with it 'quietly' dying, then he shouldn't oppose statements against it, anywhere.(nt) w4rma Jul 2016 #15

Thank you. whathehell Jul 2016 #58

It's ok to screw working people as long as we don't embarrass a sitting president portlander23 Jul 2016 #12

The Sanders side needs to stop being so concerned about who is going to be able to claim credit. annavictorious Jul 2016 #16

It's not about "claiming credit". It's about stopping the TPP from ever becoming law. (nt) w4rma Jul 2016 #17

How would the proposed amendment stop TPP from becoming law? annavictorious Jul 2016 #23

Stating that Democrats are against the TPP allows no wiggle room to rewrite history and be for it. w4rma Jul 2016 #25

"Wiggle room" for who? Lord Magus Jul 2016 #66

I agree! DianaForRussFeingold Jul 2016 #63

Interesting! nt DianaForRussFeingold Jul 2016 #44

Thank you! DemonGoddess Jul 2016 #69

Fuck any "Dem" who supports this retched deal. TDale313 Jul 2016 #13

Nobody wants the deal at this point. annavictorious Jul 2016 #19

Of course it failed. KMOD Jul 2016 #18

But it's fine to take potshots at working people portlander23 Jul 2016 #20

It doesn't need to be in the platform. KMOD Jul 2016 #22

The Sanders faction wants credit. It's disgusting. annavictorious Jul 2016 #24

It is disgusting. KMOD Jul 2016 #42

What is disgusting is these weaseling-out-later words. (nt) w4rma Jul 2016 #50

"In it's current form" Those are weasel-out-of-it words. (nt) w4rma Jul 2016 #27

see post #40 KMOD Jul 2016 #47

Allowing wiggle room to eventually support it. CentralMass Jul 2016 #33

We are going to need to do something to correct bad trade agreements. KMOD Jul 2016 #40

+1000! DemonGoddess Jul 2016 #71

Of course it did. It's Too LIBERAL!! Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2016 #21

Hillary will surely be uncomfortable, since she supposedly hates the TPP and all. arcane1 Jul 2016 #26

So "uncomfortable" that she's given the word to most all of her surrogates to not oppose the TPP w4rma Jul 2016 #28

It's like trying to explain chess annavictorious Jul 2016 #32

Remember the last time the Clintons 'played chess' with a 'free' trade agreement? w4rma Jul 2016 #35

You continue to miss the point. Lord Magus Jul 2016 #64

Huh, to a 5 year old DianaForRussFeingold Jul 2016 #49

The unions, environmental, indigenous, human rights groups and many top Democrats are opposed think Jul 2016 #62

Yeah, the TPP could easily knock a half to three-quarters of a % point stopbush Jul 2016 #31

NAFTA cost the Democrats control of Congress for the first time since the New Deal. (nt) w4rma Jul 2016 #34

Different times, different issue, myopic reading of history. stopbush Jul 2016 #36

The Republicans *say* they oppose these 'free' trade agreements, then quietly vote for them. w4rma Jul 2016 #37

I hate to tell you, but TPP is not an issue in this election for the vast stopbush Jul 2016 #38

You don't 'hate' to say that. It's not even true. These 'free' trade agreements underlie Trump's w4rma Jul 2016 #41

Sanders did NOT nearly beat Hillary. He lost OVERWHELMINGLY by any stopbush Jul 2016 #48

No, Trump's ability to win the GOP primary was based on open racism. DanTex Jul 2016 #59

"The apparatchiks of the Orwellian neoliberal candidate voted against annavictorious Jul 2016 #39

Paul Krugman: The Very Serious People who nearly destroyed the American economy have learned nothing w4rma Jul 2016 #43

Remind me again who Krugman supported in 2008 annavictorious Jul 2016 #45

BRAVO!!! MohRokTah Jul 2016 #46

You fully support the TPP and don't believe for a second that Clinton/Obama won't try to pass it. nt w4rma Jul 2016 #51

I'm hoping for a lame duck ratification. MohRokTah Jul 2016 #53

You're getting your way. She supports the TPP, otherwise she wouldn't be telling her surrogates w4rma Jul 2016 #54

Please provide the link to audio or video of Hillary telling her "surrogates" MohRokTah Jul 2016 #55

Most every surrogate that she picks just happens to oppose writing any anti-TPP statements. (nt) w4rma Jul 2016 #60

Delegates are not beholden to anybody when voting on the platform. MohRokTah Jul 2016 #61

It's pointless to engage with folks annavictorious Jul 2016 #67

The important thing is what the TPP actually DOES rather than the considerations of the possible think Jul 2016 #72

A big reason that you guys support Hillary is for the Clintons' past 'free' trade support. w4rma Jul 2016 #68

And now you claim to know why I support Hillary Clinton? MohRokTah Jul 2016 #70

This will not limit what Clinton says or doesn't say about TPP. Tal Vez Jul 2016 #56

Ok, so the amendment failed. It was discussed and voted on. We like democracy until we don't. nt Jitter65 Jul 2016 #73