2016 Postmortem

seabeyond

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29. Clinton did not go around the sexism. Are you fuckin serious? Only in a dream world.

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Lessons learned: How Bernie Sanders lost black voters [View all] ehrnst Jul 2016 OP

I found this article interesting (I was a Sanders supporter) Mass Jul 2016 #1

I am a Hillary supporter...always was. Demsrule86 Jul 2016 #2

I think that lessons learned can apply to future campaigns and candidates. (nt) ehrnst Jul 2016 #4

Good point. I just have tried to go out of my way not to antagonize Bernie voters. Demsrule86 Jul 2016 #85

He didn't lose black voters. NCTraveler Jul 2016 #3

Yep. They were hers by default, and his to win. Orsino Jul 2016 #7

It would be a worthwhile discussion. Nt NCTraveler Jul 2016 #8

When you say default you mean she worked for decades to get their support realmirage Jul 2016 #10

I mean only that she had the right last name to earn Establishment support by default... Orsino Jul 2016 #13

Your Hillary hate is showing. Do you need a list realmirage Jul 2016 #15

Let's just not pretend that she wasn't also a legacy and a nostalgia candidate... Orsino Jul 2016 #17

Your argument here is sexist because you fail to realize realmirage Jul 2016 #18

Those are your words, not mine. Orsino Jul 2016 #30

Below is an an article that might interest you: "Why is Bill Clinton fondly referred to as Cal33 Jul 2016 #75

Wow. What a post. ChairmanAgnostic Jul 2016 #101

Oh, now it is 'sexist.' pangaia Jul 2016 #108

Yup realmirage Jul 2016 #119

Clinton has literally done the work. When I actually took the time to research all she had done for seabeyond Jul 2016 #26

Exactly. Hillary has been running for President since 2001. John Poet Jul 2016 #65

She had spent literally decades working in the South and with African American pnwmom Jul 2016 #76

What you said is also incredibly sexist realmirage Jul 2016 #16

Nope. The hurdles thar kept every other woman in the country from the presidency... Orsino Jul 2016 #22

Clinton did not go around the sexism. Are you fuckin serious? Only in a dream world. seabeyond Jul 2016 #29

She is literally the only woman in the country who could have evaded any of it. Orsino Jul 2016 #33

Evaded it? It's still there. She is overcoming it. Big difference. (nt) ehrnst Jul 2016 #42

It has stopped every other candidate. Orsino Jul 2016 #45

You mean Ferraro and Palin? (nt) ehrnst Jul 2016 #47

I mean the women who didn't dare run, and were effectively silenced. Orsino Jul 2016 #49

So it didn't "stop candidates" it prevented them from ever becoming candidates to stop.(nt) ehrnst Jul 2016 #52

And stopped candidates for some offices from seeking others. Orsino Jul 2016 #53

She has lived it and lives it today and preservered. What an illusion to believe any woman makes it seabeyond Jul 2016 #67

Well, money and power do buy certain exemptions. Orsino Jul 2016 #68

And blacks with money still experience racism, though there life is easier with money. seabeyond Jul 2016 #70

Hillary Clinton has overcome or evaded challenges that have defeated or demoralized all other women. Orsino Jul 2016 #72

Your argument is too subtle to be seen by all. pangaia Jul 2016 #109

The argument is his continued shifting, dismissing what she has endured. Like women do not get it. seabeyond Jul 2016 #111

Well, I did say "at every step of her career"... Orsino Jul 2016 #117

It is not "less" sexism ismnotwasm Jul 2016 #115

Has it occurred to you that Bill got where he did in large part because of Hillary? ehrnst Jul 2016 #32

It sure has. n/t Orsino Jul 2016 #35

Seems to me Hillary Clinton is STILL fighting tremendous sexism. calimary Jul 2016 #63

Definitely. Orsino Jul 2016 #64

I remember. The hate started as soon as she wanted a spot in the West Wing pnwmom Jul 2016 #78

Wrong! GulfCoast66 Jul 2016 #113

You are right. I was referring, of course, to the nationalized hate. pnwmom Jul 2016 #121

Great post! I totally agree everything. She has had to go through obstructionist AgadorSparticus Jul 2016 #94

^^^This!!! DemonGoddess Jul 2016 #99

Not to mention grossly insensitive and insulting to her black supporters EffieBlack Jul 2016 #79

Excuse me? The 'right last name?" That's what you think got her support? ehrnst Jul 2016 #31

I think her last name helped. Just look at link below: Cal33 Jul 2016 #84

She spent her adult years earning her way. And she worked hard. n/t Lil Missy Jul 2016 #92

"She worked for decades to get their support." pangaia Jul 2016 #107

Since Clinton was a teenage, she has been socially active. How insulting to dismiss someones seabeyond Jul 2016 #112

Another Hillary hater realmirage Jul 2016 #118

That's actually exactly what this article discusses. auntpurl Jul 2016 #11

By default you mean decades of standing with the black community.... JaneyVee Jul 2016 #37

Yes, that is definitely part of it. Orsino Jul 2016 #38

Vermont. Rural Vermont for much of the time. ehrnst Jul 2016 #43

When Sanders made a choice about where he was going to spend his life EffieBlack Jul 2016 #80

^^^^^ One of my main issues with his message. (nt) ehrnst Jul 2016 #105

Sanders' attacks on President Obama did not help his cause with some demographic groups Gothmog Jul 2016 #44

Yep. Eggs were broken in the attempt to make an omelet. n/t Orsino Jul 2016 #48

It's not just Sanders and it goes beyond his campaign rjsquirrel Jul 2016 #24

Excellent and informative post. thucythucy Jul 2016 #36

Thank you kindly rjsquirrel Jul 2016 #59

Thank you! DemonGoddess Jul 2016 #100

Exactly. The model of defeating captialism, then harmony will follow hasn't happened in Europe. ehrnst Jul 2016 #46

That is exactly what he clung onto and said it verbatim. Regardless how we argued we wanted more seabeyond Jul 2016 #74

I don't disagree with anything you have written in large. NCTraveler Jul 2016 #71

Outstanding analysis and explanation EffieBlack Jul 2016 #81

Many thanks! Eom rjsquirrel Jul 2016 #83

you are right. La Lioness Priyanka Jul 2016 #73

Blacks look for results, not words. That is why the POC vote was overwhelmingly pro Hillary mikehiggins Jul 2016 #5

There wasn't much he could have done if he started in 2015. He had to start in 2005. stevenleser Jul 2016 #91

Yeah, that was definitely the problem. Lord Magus Jul 2016 #95

I also read an article that large numbers of African Americans can sense a smear campaign ehrnst Jul 2016 #104

You're suggesting Sanders ran a smear campaign against black people? N/t TCJ70 Jul 2016 #114

as a Clinton supporter, I don't see much to be gained from Clinton supporters geek tragedy Jul 2016 #6

Well said. And the lesson is decades of building coalitions, not being The Second Stone Jul 2016 #20

What you have written does not explain the fact that more Amricans (as a whole) prefer Sanders. Cal33 Jul 2016 #86

That wasn't what I set out to do The Second Stone Jul 2016 #87

Okay. If that wasn't what you set out to do, I would't discuss it any further. No problem. Cal33 Jul 2016 #88

David Brock: "black lives don't matter much to Bernie Sanders." arcane1 Jul 2016 #9

Did you read the article? auntpurl Jul 2016 #12

Huh? Are you saying that blacks supported Hillary because of what David Brock said? Cali_Democrat Jul 2016 #25

Not understanding the revulsion felt in the black community towards Cornell West was a huge . . . brush Jul 2016 #14

Cornell West didn't really give Obama a chance and the black community The Second Stone Jul 2016 #19

Obama not wearing a dashiki to his swearing I'm sure irritated West. (nt) ehrnst Jul 2016 #57

Dumb EffieBlack Jul 2016 #82

Good article! I wonder how many special interest factions Hortensis Jul 2016 #21

"By the time he knew just how big a vein of support he had tapped into, it was too late. " George Eliot Jul 2016 #51

Yes. No one did. All the experts apparently Hortensis Jul 2016 #69

what about Killer Mike? The rapper, the legend, the visionary, the savior? n/t cosmicone Jul 2016 #23

Not enough, I guess. (nt) ehrnst Jul 2016 #27

Don't forget Prof. West Gothmog Jul 2016 #41

Who really can't stand Obama. Cornell West is to race issues a bit like ehrnst Jul 2016 #54

I think it's a good article that Berniecrats should pay close attention to... SaschaHM Jul 2016 #28

Been pointing that out since last fall... Blue_Tires Jul 2016 #34

It was more basic than that.. Bernie got clobbered by Democrats. DCBob Jul 2016 #39

This article makes the issue to be Black vs White which wasn't really the issue. Exilednight Jul 2016 #40

It is an issue since you cannot win without the black vote- and young black voters did not love him bettyellen Jul 2016 #62

On Super Tuesday Bernie heavily lost the 18-29 black vote. That was the beginning pnwmom Jul 2016 #77

Mr Sanders never had that block of longtime Clinton supporters to 'lose'. I hope Sen. Sanders is VP. Sunlei Jul 2016 #50

I don't think that Bernie would accept even if it was ever on the table. ehrnst Jul 2016 #55

Ooh. They are at diametrically different ends of the Democratic spectrum, I disagree. George Eliot Jul 2016 #56

May I ask, why is it "Sen. Sanders" but "Mrs. Clinton"? auntpurl Jul 2016 #60

I don't know. guess you chould spell out Secretary of State, or use SOS but I'm not sure if that's Sunlei Jul 2016 #61

She is not "MRS Clinton"; she is SECRETARY Clinton auntpurl Jul 2016 #66

When she's President (and she will win), I'll post her as President Clinton. Sunlei Jul 2016 #106

He didn't have them to "lose" but they weren't universally unwinnable either. Lord Magus Jul 2016 #96

I think he learned that over his (short) campaign, he really started to late. Sunlei Jul 2016 #110

"Senator" Sanders but "Mrs." Clinton makes everything else you write irrelevant. nt msanthrope Jul 2016 #97

I don't necessarily see it as Sanders losing black voters support. SkeleTim1968 Jul 2016 #58

Yep! Everybody was working when Bill Clinton was president. brush Jul 2016 #89

Stop fighting the primary runaway hero Jul 2016 #90

What part of "Lessons Learned" is unclear? (nt) ehrnst Jul 2016 #103

You posted this article to say he sucks runaway hero Jul 2016 #116

Great. Another article about how much Bernie sucks for Black people. We got the message. aikoaiko Jul 2016 #93

Yes, and there is plenty of junk social science to support all of this. Vattel Jul 2016 #98

You mean like this? ehrnst Jul 2016 #102

Great example. Vattel Jul 2016 #120

I wrote it before zipplewrath Jul 2016 #122