2016 Postmortem

OnDoutside

(20,868 posts) Fri Jul 15, 2016, 09:15 AM Jul 2016

Kaine v Vilsack v Perez [View all]

Tim Kaine

Age 58 (in St. Paul, MN)

Humble beginnings, (father was a welder)

Pros

Economics Graduate
Went to Harvard Law School
Lawyer for 17 years specializing in helping people who were denied housing on the basis of race or disability.
Mayor of Richmond
Lt. Governor of Virginia
Governor of Virginia
US Senator (Committee on Armed Services, Committee on the Budget, Committee on Foreign Relations)
Fluent Spanish speaker
More or less Pro Choice, though is privately anti.
Pro Obamacare
Kaine was the lead lawyer in the suit that established Home Inc

Cons

Boring
Oversaw 11 executions as Governor, though privately against.
Took him until 2013 to support Gay Marriage
Tom Vilsack

Age 65

Humble beginnings, having been adopted

Pros
Lawyer
Mayor of Mount Pleasant, Iowa
Iowa State Senator
Governor of Iowa (2 terms)
Secretary of Agriculture

Cons
Age
As Iowa Governor, Tom Vilsack was a leading advocate for Monsanto, genetic engineering, and factory farming.
Boring

Tom Perez

Age 54

Son of Dominican immigrants (father a Doctor, mother was a daughter of Dominican Ambassador to US)

Pros
Went to Harvard Law School
1989 to 1995, he worked as a federal prosecutor in the Department of Justice's Civil Rights Division.
From 1995 until 1998, Perez worked as Democratic Massachusetts Senator Ted Kennedy's principal adviser on civil rights, criminal justice, and constitutional issues
For the final two years of the Clinton administration, he worked as the Director of the Office for Civil Rights at the United States Department of Health and Human Services
county council of Montgomery County, Maryland
Maryland Secretary of Labor
Assistant Attorney General for Civil Rights
Secretary of Labor
Fluent Spanish obviously, should appeal to Hispanics not already voting Dem

Cons
Perez spearheaded the legalization of slot machines in the Maryland
Doesn't have major election experience

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Kaine v Vilsack v Perez [View all] OnDoutside Jul 2016 OP

More or less pro-choice? Kaine has a 100% Lifetime rating from Planned Parenthood & NARAL FSogol Jul 2016 #1

Yes, but it has to be said that he is privately anti-abortion. There's a contradiction there. OnDoutside Jul 2016 #4

NARAL doesn't seem to mind and how does that differ from Biden's views? FSogol Jul 2016 #6

It's not a judgement. OnDoutside Jul 2016 #7

Your entire post is a judgement. Reason? Your use of "boring" FSogol Jul 2016 #10

Kaine said he was boring. I fell asleep listening to Vilsack, but apart from that ... OnDoutside Jul 2016 #41

Kaine himself says he is "boring" Expecting Rain Jul 2016 #42

The Clintons have known/worked with Tim Kaine for years. The idea that he has to FSogol Jul 2016 #43

Biden's faith caused him to be a DOMA supporter deluxe, later he allows himself Bluenorthwest Jul 2016 #12

Being privately pro-life but politically pro-choice means you're pro-choice. Arkana Jul 2016 #34

Kaine is a devout Catholic underpants Jul 2016 #23

Is it? I suspect that's the position of a lot of leaders and voters. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2016 #25

Biden has same beliefs and didn't hurt anything yeoman6987 Jul 2016 #26

I expect that as a devout Catholic man DemonGoddess Jul 2016 #71

I like the appeal Perez brings, but I also like H being able to say "I've got more 'sack than Trump" CrowCityDem Jul 2016 #2

Kaine was the lead lawyer in the suit that established Home Inc. underpants Jul 2016 #3

Will add to the list, thanks OnDoutside Jul 2016 #5

He was for civil unions. Agree: Very few politicians were publicly for gay marriage until about 2013 FSogol Jul 2016 #8

By 2013 only the holdouts were still opposed, as late as 2009 Kaine was against civil Bluenorthwest Jul 2016 #11

Your info is incorrect. SEE: FSogol Jul 2016 #13

First of all "If", really? Look in 2009 he had bigger fights than gay marriage. underpants Jul 2016 #14

He was an aggressive opponent of both civil unions and marriage equality Bluenorthwest Jul 2016 #18

Tim Kaine is not a conservative Democrat underpants Jul 2016 #21

This message was self-deleted by its author Chan790 Jul 2016 #61

Thank you, BlueNW. Chan790 Jul 2016 #59

Kaine was opposed to both civil unions and marriage equality and you list his bigotry Bluenorthwest Jul 2016 #9

I like Perez the best from that list (nt) bigwillq Jul 2016 #15

Kaine September 7, 2001 "I have never said I supported gay civil unions, gay marriages. Bluenorthwest Jul 2016 #16

Perez did a great job at the DOJ and the voting rights section Gothmog Jul 2016 #17

Hillary needs help with white male blue collar types. DCBob Jul 2016 #19

His Spanish comes from his yearlong Catholic mission in Honduras underpants Jul 2016 #22

I didnt know that about him. I like that too. DCBob Jul 2016 #24

This message was self-deleted by its author Chan790 Jul 2016 #60

Not wise to write off any voting bloc. DCBob Jul 2016 #64

I like the Admiral. Answers all the military, war crap the GOP will be throwing our way. He is not glennward Jul 2016 #20

Stradvirus is very impressive. I like him too. AgadorSparticus Jul 2016 #33

Do you think it might be too late to introdue him to the public? I do. But his message is so glennward Jul 2016 #44

As much as I am enamored of Stavridis's ideas and approach, I have my reservations AgadorSparticus Jul 2016 #45

Watch the Trump trolls who come to this board snatch this kind of message and run with it like it is glennward Jul 2016 #46

I agree with everything you said. Our base can be a tad dense too. AgadorSparticus Jul 2016 #48

Thanks! You are spot with our focus. nt glennward Jul 2016 #58

Now do Pence, Chrispie, and Eye of a Newt. Darb Jul 2016 #27

Too obvious ;) OnDoutside Jul 2016 #29

I don't think it's fair to characterize MSMITH33156 Jul 2016 #28

In comparison to say Elizabeth Warren, I don't think it is unfair. And certainly is it the reaction OnDoutside Jul 2016 #32

Kaine voted to fast track the TPP. Perez has been a strong propagandist for the TPP. Vilsack? w4rma Jul 2016 #30

It is not correct to say that people who are adopted have humble beginnings. StevieM Jul 2016 #31

Wrong. There is no more humble beginning than being given up at birth pnwmom Jul 2016 #54

Blah, blah and blah. Vinca Jul 2016 #35

Maybe HRC will find a circus performer to entertain you. FSogol Jul 2016 #36

She'd better find something. The polls are pretty darn scary. Vinca Jul 2016 #39

Vilsack is a non-starter Independent_Voice Jul 2016 #37

Did you mean to put the gay support thing under pro? La Lioness Priyanka Jul 2016 #38

I was just testing you ..... ;) fixed. OnDoutside Jul 2016 #40

Whatever or whoever...HRC should start getting our bench out in front of the public. We have a deep glennward Jul 2016 #47

If we want a blue collar type, what is wrong with Sen. Brown? Doctor Jack Jul 2016 #49

Because it would mean a Republican replacement in the Senate unfortunately. He's just unlucky to OnDoutside Jul 2016 #50

So does Elizabeth Warren NewJeffCT Jul 2016 #67

But it has been said that there would be an election after 90 days for her seat. OnDoutside Jul 2016 #69

None of these 3 fit the bill kevink077 Jul 2016 #51

The base is already excited about Hillary, so I'm not sure what you mean. n/t pnwmom Jul 2016 #53

Not yet kevink077 Jul 2016 #55

The people I know are just as excited as we were in 2008. So I guess it depends pnwmom Jul 2016 #56

Kaine, Perez and Vilsack are all huge cheerleaders for the TPP. Which is why they are being pushed. w4rma Jul 2016 #52

This message was self-deleted by its author Chan790 Jul 2016 #62

None of the above. mountain grammy Jul 2016 #57

How does the selection of Pence alter (or not) the current 3 favourites ? OnDoutside Jul 2016 #63

Should be a woman ProudDemocrat2016 Jul 2016 #65

Why do you say that? DesertRat Jul 2016 #66

The trifecta of "How to lose a presidential election by selecting a wet noodle as Veep!" TheBlackAdder Jul 2016 #68

Well, Mike Pence could be defined as a wet noodle NewJeffCT Jul 2016 #70

We need to get away from this "excitement" shit DemonGoddess Jul 2016 #72