2016 Postmortem

FighttheFuture

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44. "we"require links? These issue have been exposed for years. Still to help you out...

Sat Jul 16, 2016, 06:39 PM

Jul 2016

Consider this... electronic machines can make it very easy to steal election and flip results.

The older ways you refer to take much more effort, time and concentrated conspiracy to pull off. It does happen, of course. Chicago machine politics did this for quite some time to varying degrees long ago. Stuffing the ballot box. Paying local voters a few bucks to vote a certain way. Etc.

Don Seigleman is a good recent example of election fraud and the failure of electronic voting machines. The election of Wisconsin supreme court election of David Prosser judge is very problematic.

Regardless, I am not here to go into a big discussion of stolen elections, fishy results, exit polls (the gold standard) jsut not working well in this country any more. Maybe you may recall how easy it was for the electronic Machines, shown on air to Howard Dean , some time ago. This and much more is pretty well known at this point if you want to educate yourself. Especially since the crap between 2000 - 2006, when these came into general usage. Do some searches, look at Brad Blog, Truthout. Etc. this isn't new news.

What I am pointing out the electronic voting machines are not to be trusted; they are too error prone, hackable, and really unverifiable. People think they are like their ATM with all teh accounting and security that goes into those, and even those are hacked, but it is traceable/verifable (that accounting thing again). They need to be removed. go back to paper ballots, hand counted with open counting viewable by all. that's just a start.

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Democrats Get Serious About Voting Rights [View all] L. Coyote Jul 2016 OP

Goddamit it's just like I read on DU; this is the Republican platform I tell you! whatthehey Jul 2016 #1

Heh. Orsino Jul 2016 #2

Poe's Law just took effect. LOL. L. Coyote Jul 2016 #4

The Democratic Party is feeling The Bern where it counts----IN POLICIES nikto Jul 2016 #13

Voting should be on Veterans Day Cayenne Jul 2016 #3

Nice idea, Cayenne, but I don't think it'd work. Hortensis Jul 2016 #5

How about Columbus Day, then? moose65 Jul 2016 #27

Voting should be the first WEEKEND in November meow2u3 Jul 2016 #6

That requires a Constitutional Amendment, & we cannot afford to let right wingers get a crack at it. L. Coyote Jul 2016 #7

I don't think it requires an amendment moose65 Jul 2016 #26

What took them so long? So very long on such a fundamental issue? Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2016 #8

Both Partys' entrenched politicos benefit from the status quo, even if it is crappy. Over time, the FighttheFuture Jul 2016 #17

In my experience, this is not true. wildeyed Jul 2016 #24

The proof is in the pudding. When they had control, when they could have pushed these issues, FighttheFuture Jul 2016 #30

Nah, my state passed a BUNCH of progressive legislation when Dems were in power. wildeyed Jul 2016 #34

Locally, yes. I am referring to the federal level. They simply don't address it, until now... FighttheFuture Jul 2016 #36

It is because only now are enough people focusing on the issue. wildeyed Jul 2016 #38

Too much focus on ID's when the real theft is happening electronically and voter role ejection. FighttheFuture Jul 2016 #39

I disagree. wildeyed Jul 2016 #41

I've seen enough to convince me. Regardless, electronic machines cannot be trusted. too many ways FighttheFuture Jul 2016 #42

Well you are entitled to an opinion, but we generally require a link wildeyed Jul 2016 #43

"we"require links? These issue have been exposed for years. Still to help you out... FighttheFuture Jul 2016 #44

When exactly did we have control? Demsrule86 Jul 2016 #46

The problems with voting have been visibly going on since Bush Jr's $election. the Dems have been FighttheFuture Jul 2016 #47

I think we will get the Senate. Demsrule86 Jul 2016 #48

Logically I think the Dems should clean house with this election. In my gut, I am not so sure... FighttheFuture Jul 2016 #49

The GOP wins on racism and desperation...and of course fear. Demsrule86 Jul 2016 #50

From the '08 Platform NCTraveler Jul 2016 #9

Here in Ohio Demsrule86 Jul 2016 #10

Mail in Leftcoastgary Jul 2016 #11

Yes, we love our mail-in ballots in Oregon. And we have great turnout. L. Coyote Jul 2016 #12

Here in Oregon voting is simple and easy WHEN CRABS ROAR Jul 2016 #22

Of course, the GOP will fight this to the death ... nikto Jul 2016 #14

Let's hope that will indeed be the end. L. Coyote Jul 2016 #15

Yeah, you'd think, but ... nikto Jul 2016 #21

After the election the fight will continue. WHEN CRABS ROAR Jul 2016 #23

After the election is where the biggest fights will be ... nikto Jul 2016 #28

About Fucking Time!!! Too bad DWS wasn't working on this as DNC Chair... too busy courting FighttheFuture Jul 2016 #16

Actually she was. L. Coyote Jul 2016 #18

BFD. That's not the significant problem with our elections. FighttheFuture Jul 2016 #19

Agreed. But it does contradict your insult to her and the party. L. Coyote Jul 2016 #20

First, DWS is a real turd. If the party wants her, that's on them. I don't! Next you MADE FighttheFuture Jul 2016 #29

Your failure was inconclusive, not my fault. L. Coyote Jul 2016 #32

Now your babbling. If she really supported voting reform, as you claim, show me the link. FighttheFuture Jul 2016 #33

After you prove your ungrounded attack, I'll counter. You threw out the faklse claim. Support it. L. Coyote Jul 2016 #35

What? That she courted payday lenders? Where have you been?? Else, be more specific. FighttheFuture Jul 2016 #37

This is GREAT news! wildeyed Jul 2016 #25

Democrats Unite on Voting Rights L. Coyote Jul 2016 #31

Democrats have always been serious about voting rights n/t DemonGoddess Jul 2016 #40

How nice Demsrule86 Jul 2016 #45