2016 Postmortem

SheilaT

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30. All during the primary season,

Wed Jul 20, 2016, 08:03 PM

Jul 2016

the charge of being some sort of traitor to my gender because I didn't automatically support Hillary was extremely offensive. It was the worst kind of identity politics there could be, and it was highly disheartening to see it happening within the Democratic Party.

A candidate needs to win my vote, to persuade me that he or she is the best choice. It was more than possible to conclude that Hillary was not the best choice, completely apart from her gender. She is going to be the nominee. To continue to assume that all who oppose her, are simply misogynists, is to see the world in black and white terms, not allowing for any shades of gray, any nuance, that in the long run makes if very difficult to navigate the very complex world we live in.

Granted, at this point the vast majority of those who oppose her are Republicans and they are going to be more likely to oppose her simply because she's a woman, but still.

It does make you wonder how they will deal with having a viable woman candidate of their own, although that may not happen for a hundred years.

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Lets face it, most of the hate for Hillary is because she is a strong, intelligent woman........ [View all] Logical Jul 2016 OP

My right wing relatives greymattermom Jul 2016 #1

So funny that they decided not to charge Rick Perry and we didn't act like idiots. nt Logical Jul 2016 #2

or tom cottonmouth niyad Jul 2016 #40

who actually IS a traitor. calimary Jul 2016 #50

and they count on us having very short memories, like the cretins who are their base. niyad Jul 2016 #51

Bingo! kestrel91316 Jul 2016 #78

Lazy folks let others do their riversedge Jul 2016 #20

Treason: Chicago1980 Jul 2016 #53

Trump embodies it: women should be pretty and read whatever they're told. CrowCityDem Jul 2016 #3

Word mahina Jul 2016 #4

Just like Obama's presidency brought racists out of the woodwork Freddie Jul 2016 #5

and the racism will still be there... lame54 Jul 2016 #7

they will reinforce each other rurallib Jul 2016 #32

Yes, indeed. We've had 8 years of unmitigated hate and we'll have another eight with HRC in office. LuckyLib Jul 2016 #21

+1 uponit7771 Jul 2016 #66

they also HATE Nancy Pelosi... lame54 Jul 2016 #6

Exact same reason Freddie Jul 2016 #8

Ruppert Murdoch and Roger Ailes are the Wellstone ruled Jul 2016 #62

That's an absolute crock. highprincipleswork Jul 2016 #9

LOL, very informative. Hmmmm......what is your reason. nt Logical Jul 2016 #10

Where is any of your evidence that it is so? highprincipleswork Jul 2016 #11

to take one example dsc Jul 2016 #12

LOL, simple reading. But Believe what you want. And now I know much more about you. nt Logical Jul 2016 #13

Really? How much could you know from these small statements, other than that I know a projection highprincipleswork Jul 2016 #22

I love when folks think they're opaque when they aren't. nolawarlock Jul 2016 #86

Conservadems gone wild. highprincipleswork Jul 2016 #116

During Bill's administration I had the unfortunate experience... 63splitwindow Jul 2016 #37

it is the standard "la la la la, I can't HEAR you" refusal to acknowledge the sexism that niyad Jul 2016 #42

So true! nt Logical Jul 2016 #48

This message was self-deleted by its author Chan790 Jul 2016 #114

It's the truth. Anyone paying attention for the last 30 years, or even for the last 3 days, pnwmom Jul 2016 #15

the denial of the rampant sexism in this country (and on this board) is beyond disgusting. niyad Jul 2016 #43

Racism isn't prevalent either hunh? uponit7771 Jul 2016 #65

I agree. fun n serious Jul 2016 #14

For many of them, yes. JaneyVee Jul 2016 #16

Post removed Post removed Jul 2016 #17

No. Most of it is from decades of Right-Wing Hate Radio.... Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2016 #18

If Bernie didn't enter the race, there would have been much less Hillary hate here. Lucky Luciano Jul 2016 #19

.+1 840high Jul 2016 #52

Actually, I think that it's only part true. Michelle Obama is a... Moonwalk Jul 2016 #23

The RW scumnuys call Michelle "Mooch" and an ape. They hate her as much. nt 63splitwindow Jul 2016 #38

I didn't say that the RW's liked Michelle...I said that there are those who love Michelle... Moonwalk Jul 2016 #90

This is very simplistic. It makes perfect sense that sexist people who like Michelle will not Squinch Jul 2016 #105

She got great ratings as Secretary of State. So, clearly, she can overreach... Moonwalk Jul 2016 #111

Actually, no. SheilaT Jul 2016 #24

Yes merrifield Jul 2016 #28

All during the primary season, SheilaT Jul 2016 #30

And all during the primary season, Hillary supporters were charged with voting with... Moonwalk Jul 2016 #91

Bullshit, put Warren in the same spot and they would hate her also. And how can you say years of.... Logical Jul 2016 #35

Yes, they (the GOP) do very much hate Liz Warren leftofcool Jul 2016 #45

In '08 I was for her. Now there 840high Jul 2016 #54

Key word "most"... not all but you know that... more obfuscations prove the OP uponit7771 Jul 2016 #67

Spitfire got it right! rainy Jul 2016 #25

I disagree larkrake Jul 2016 #26

And yet provide no information why. Interesting. nt Logical Jul 2016 #39

strength and intelligence larkrake Jul 2016 #99

You nailed it! DesertRat Jul 2016 #27

Completely agree. Have you seen what's for sale outside the convention? Bleacher Creature Jul 2016 #29

My life would have been better without ever having seen those. SheilaT Jul 2016 #31

Do you still think it isn't sexism that drives it? kcr Jul 2016 #75

They are so vile. nt Lucky Luciano Jul 2016 #33

What's for sale outside the convention? Really? Doctor Who Jul 2016 #46

What about the actual people outside the convention who are buying them? kcr Jul 2016 #76

They wouldn't sell that crap if people weren't buying it. That's the whole point. AgadorSparticus Jul 2016 #122

I can't rec this enough. The Green Manalishi Jul 2016 #34

I think you are correct, certainly for a large sector of the right. Warren DeMontague Jul 2016 #36

ABSOLUTELY CORRECT Skittles Jul 2016 #41

k and r + several gazillion. niyad Jul 2016 #44

No it isnt Cosmocat Jul 2016 #47

You might be right. 840high Jul 2016 #55

This ∆ progressoid Jul 2016 #59

Most of the hate is because he's black... keywords most and hate... not criticism or earned critique uponit7771 Jul 2016 #68

Bullshit, they don't "like" either one of the black people you named they TOLERATE them. Talk to a uponit7771 Jul 2016 #69

So many years of attacks and smears SCVDem Jul 2016 #49

I want to disagree, Canoe52 Jul 2016 #56

"they don't care about, color"? Really, they are no more racist than Dems???? Logical Jul 2016 #57

They don't care about what?! tRump is openly a white supremacist and you're claiming they don't care uponit7771 Jul 2016 #70

wow, didn't mean to raise your blood pressure, Canoe52 Jul 2016 #110

I don't remember this level of pure hatred towards Clinton, he was able to get SOME things done... uponit7771 Jul 2016 #115

Obama wasn't a strong woman. It's really that they hate anyone that's not a brewens Jul 2016 #58

They hate black people to a large extent as well. How'd you miss the birth ceroficate bullshit? bettyellen Jul 2016 #63

I didn't miss the birthbagger bullshit. They don't hate Ben Carson, Allen West or brewens Jul 2016 #74

You're denying both their sexism and racism? bettyellen Jul 2016 #93

Lol, so republicans are not racist! Wow! Nt Logical Jul 2016 #98

They are just willing to let the racism go if it's a RW nutjob. They probably would still brewens Jul 2016 #100

Here is something i use with my right wing relatives tiredtoo Jul 2016 #60

That is great! I will use it! nt Logical Jul 2016 #61

Thats pretty good ! bettyellen Jul 2016 #64

The RNC will hate any dem, but Hillary inspires a clannish lindysalsagal Jul 2016 #71

Yes this, and... stopwastingmymoney Jul 2016 #85

Exactly where I am on her. lindysalsagal Jul 2016 #112

It doesn't seem to me to be worse for HRC than it was for Bill by the end of his presidency. aikoaiko Jul 2016 #72

Please people, look at the denial responses of bigotry in this thread. MLK was right uponit7771 Jul 2016 #73

Exactly! Trotting out their token women and POC as "proof" the GOP hasn't been bigoted. bettyellen Jul 2016 #94

The power at the top hate Hillary because she will build a fair country applegrove Jul 2016 #77

There IS a woman factor MFM008 Jul 2016 #79

So why do they hate Bill Clinton so much? progressoid Jul 2016 #80

It's simple, because they are Republicans. Their Party is based on a lot of hate. Seeinghope Jul 2016 #96

Nope. My problem with her is her climate change proposals doom us riderinthestorm Jul 2016 #81

Intelligent enough to understand the vast, right-wing conspiracy. That's a danger to them. L. Coyote Jul 2016 #82

So why did they hate Kerry so much? kwolf68 Jul 2016 #83

They didn't. Nothing like this. Did you hear anyone screaming for him to be locked up for nothing? Squinch Jul 2016 #108

You did not look at what the right wing said of Kerry in 2004 ... or even now. karynnj Jul 2016 #118

The GOP males think they can make her "cave in" UCmeNdc Jul 2016 #84

Uhh... No Sen. Walter Sobchak Jul 2016 #87

Uh yes! Logical Jul 2016 #97

HRC kurt_cagle Jul 2016 #88

Agree and I'd add: who is liberal. lovemydog Jul 2016 #89

I'm not sure about that-- Bill Clinton is "hated" by many on the Right and some on the Left andym Jul 2016 #92

Post removed Post removed Jul 2016 #95

K&R mcar Jul 2016 #101

Powerful "DEMOCRAT". Simple as that. Raw political hatred. bullimiami Jul 2016 #102

No, it's policy based. Nothing more, nothing less. Oh, and it's not "hate", NorthCarolina Jul 2016 #103

Lol, really,so in your opinion the GOP is not racist or sexist! Noted and that for.... Logical Jul 2016 #106

LOL! "It's not hate." I guess those chants of "lock her up" were just reasoned debate. Squinch Jul 2016 #107

and the denial of the sexism and misogyny go on and on. . . . niyad Jul 2016 #104

Strong yes... Intelligent mostly whistler162 Jul 2016 #109

the media has consistently and relentlessly demonized her for decades zappaman Jul 2016 #113

most. good word. Hiraeth Jul 2016 #117

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2016 #119

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2016 #120

And what, pray tell, is..That.. supposed to be? ismnotwasm Jul 2016 #121

K & R Scurrilous Jul 2016 #123