2016 Postmortem

CajunBlazer

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59. Pehaps they should understand that "they" may not be the key to victory

Thu Jul 21, 2016, 05:51 PM

Jul 2016

And "victory" is what is important, not some people's feelings. There are four types of Sanders voters:

1) Those who switched to Hillary just as quickly as I switch from Clinton to Obama in 2008. This is the vast majority according to all polling.

2) Those who will not vote for Hillary under any circumstances.

3) Those who will hold their noses and vote for Clinton regardless of her VP pick because they know their believe system will be systematically kicked to the curb in a Trump Presidency.

4) Those who might be be swayed depending on who Hillary picks as her VP

Only those in the 4th category will be given any weight in Hillary's VP decision. I personally think that those people are extremely shallow in their thinking, but the the first two criteria are met in a VP pick that will satisfy those people and they will give Hillary the most extra votes, so be it. However, if she can get more votes with another pick, so be it, and too bad for those extremely shallow people.

If Hillary doesn't win, it won't matter who her VP pick is.

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Dear Clinton, you want to lose ground with your base, then pick Vilsack or Kaine [View all] stupidicus Jul 2016 OP

Her base will be fine with whoever she decides on. The sqeamish aren't her base. CrowCityDem Jul 2016 #1

It is no longer about "Her Base" awake Jul 2016 #41

Progressives should be on board anyway, so expanding right makes sense. CrowCityDem Jul 2016 #49

In my mind Hillary is far enough to the right awake Jul 2016 #51

Since she's solidly left of center, the middle may not agree. CrowCityDem Jul 2016 #58

that's how DLC makes races unnecessarily close & keeps losing congress to yurbud Jul 2016 #71

Where is the evidence that far left candidates can win national elections? CrowCityDem Jul 2016 #74

I'll be disappointed MFM008 Jul 2016 #2

lol stupidicus Jul 2016 #19

And that's funny, because? MoonRiver Jul 2016 #81

figure it out for yourself stupidicus Jul 2016 #105

Dear Hillary am part of your base, voted for you! I trust you-the nominee-to pick your running mate! Her Sister Jul 2016 #3

Same here!!! tonyt53 Jul 2016 #15

Ditto! MoonRiver Jul 2016 #82

Not sure I understand your comment about the primary. NCTraveler Jul 2016 #4

This portion of the base trusts our nominee mcar Jul 2016 #5

Her base is behind her 100%, no matter who she picks. Lil Missy Jul 2016 #6

I am sure you are concerned, just like you were when posting links from R/W sites against Hillary still_one Jul 2016 #7

indeed, like the kind I lack with your effort here stupidicus Jul 2016 #106

You know, somehow I don't think the Secretary has picked you to listen to. MichiganVote Jul 2016 #8

This message was self-deleted by its author CobaltBlue Jul 2016 #9

Well thank you for that quick response but I did not claim to have a list dear MichiganVote Jul 2016 #11

This message was self-deleted by its author CobaltBlue Jul 2016 #13

You're welcome. Good luck with your friendship making lessons. MichiganVote Jul 2016 #16

Why would ask for specific, detailed personal information of voters? TwilightZone Jul 2016 #14

Let him go, must have had a bad convention..er day. MichiganVote Jul 2016 #17

lol! Her Sister Jul 2016 #20

Ha! Android3.14 Jul 2016 #31

your anecdotal evidence is worthless to me stupidicus Jul 2016 #24

Ok, then don't read it. Cuz' no one here really cares anyway. MichiganVote Jul 2016 #28

Every Democrat I know can't stand Kaine becuase of his anti gay history Bluenorthwest Jul 2016 #30

What anti-gay history? annavictorious Jul 2016 #50

Vilsack may be a bit divisive. Why? What he did to Shirley Sherrod. I don't like him. At all. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2016 #77

Then I would say you need to let the Clinton camp know of your concerns. MichiganVote Jul 2016 #79

Post removed Post removed Jul 2016 #86

Oh dear, not sure how that's possible. MichiganVote Jul 2016 #92

No one goes that crazy about a VP pick Thrill Jul 2016 #10

no stupidicus Jul 2016 #21

Sorry, but the name of the game is to expand your base not just keep it Arizona Roadrunner Jul 2016 #12

Arizona Roadrunner—+1 CobaltBlue Jul 2016 #18

yep stupidicus Jul 2016 #22

Hillary's base--the Democratic base-- okasha Jul 2016 #61

Expand the votes treestar Jul 2016 #67

a corporatist is a deal breaker for me. Cobalt Violet Jul 2016 #101

VP picks are about three things CajunBlazer Jul 2016 #23

and? stupidicus Jul 2016 #27

If that's what it takes to win, fine, but.... CajunBlazer Jul 2016 #40

sure they will stupidicus Jul 2016 #48

Pehaps they should understand that "they" may not be the key to victory CajunBlazer Jul 2016 #59

good grief stupidicus Jul 2016 #66

If those shallow people who will vote based on a VP pick are numerous enough.... CajunBlazer Jul 2016 #70

nobody has anything but a guesstimation stupidicus Jul 2016 #78

As far as I am concerned, she can pick anyone she damn well pleases CajunBlazer Jul 2016 #97

Kaine , IMO, is not a good pick. CentralMass Jul 2016 #102

Of course you realize that a VP does not set policy CajunBlazer Jul 2016 #103

This message was self-deleted by its author CobaltBlue Jul 2016 #53

Yes, but the Republican National Convention has. Squinch Jul 2016 #57

This is weird. It appears that "the base" means different things to different people. NurseJackie Jul 2016 #25

lol ibegurpard Jul 2016 #32

To some people the "base" is only those on far left CajunBlazer Jul 2016 #33

and it cannot be counted on, this very post treestar Jul 2016 #64

Post removed Post removed Jul 2016 #36

Oh, GMAFB! You're suggesting that the "Clinton base" lacks those characteristics. That's offensive. NurseJackie Jul 2016 #39

Critical thinking skills annavictorious Jul 2016 #62

Like your attitude Silver_Witch Jul 2016 #54

The Clinton base is the Democratic party treestar Jul 2016 #65

What make you think you and others like you are the base of the party? CajunBlazer Jul 2016 #69

+1000 MoonRiver Jul 2016 #83

The 'concerned' people here GulfCoast66 Jul 2016 #99

Post removed Post removed Jul 2016 #26

apparently that is so to some extent stupidicus Jul 2016 #29

That's the great thing about the easily please very ardent supporters, their opinions do Bluenorthwest Jul 2016 #35

ROFL @ the irony of this comment. BobbyDrake Jul 2016 #55

Huh????? CajunBlazer Jul 2016 #38

no, you just assume a great deal stupidicus Jul 2016 #42

If she wants to unite the party, Warren seems like the logical choice! B Calm Jul 2016 #34

yep stupidicus Jul 2016 #45

Although VP is a largely ineffectual position ibegurpard Jul 2016 #37

Did you intend to sound so cynical? What do "loyalties" have to do with anything? NurseJackie Jul 2016 #43

your opinion is utterly irrelevant to me ibegurpard Jul 2016 #46

Ha!! :-D NurseJackie Jul 2016 #47

Did someone ibegurpard Jul 2016 #88

No. They've all been correct. You're the only one who thinks differently. :-P So, tell me... NurseJackie Jul 2016 #100

exactly stupidicus Jul 2016 #44

Then she should pick Vilsack. They have a relationship going back to when she pnwmom Jul 2016 #85

Better than Kaine ibegurpard Jul 2016 #91

Hillary's got this no matter who gets the VP slot. nt oasis Jul 2016 #52

Kos isn't pro-Sanders. Eric J in MN Jul 2016 #56

you know it stupidicus Jul 2016 #60

His concern is noted CajunBlazer Jul 2016 #75

The base is those who can be counted on treestar Jul 2016 #63

Thank you! You're absolutely correct. NurseJackie Jul 2016 #68

you should post this as a poll yurbud Jul 2016 #72

if she picks one of those guys, it will be a big year for Greens yurbud Jul 2016 #73

I don't think there are that many stupid people CajunBlazer Jul 2016 #76

were the people who voted for Abe Lincoln stupid? yurbud Jul 2016 #93

No, the people who voted for Lincoln were not stupid - they were in the majority CajunBlazer Jul 2016 #104

I think it's gonna be regardless stupidicus Jul 2016 #80

Vilsack completed his second term with 69% approval. That's a strange definition of unpopular. pnwmom Jul 2016 #90

Two great Democratic governors. No reason either of those picks should help the Greens. n/t pnwmom Jul 2016 #89

I'm part of the base. My whole family is. And none of us will desert her because of her choice pnwmom Jul 2016 #84

i think HRC is more aware of the pros and cons of any VP pick than any pundit 0rganism Jul 2016 #87

Yes they should tell many that. Demsrule86 Jul 2016 #94

When Al Gore selected his running mate I thought he knows better than I. B Calm Jul 2016 #95

BULLSHIT ! BULLSHIT ! BULLSHIT ! The "base" will be with her FIRMLY. Enough of the CRAP. RBInMaine Jul 2016 #96

I am her base and I trust her decision, whomever she chooses. DawgHouse Jul 2016 #98