2016 Postmortem

TubbersUK

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41. Sorry, but I think the Brexit comparison is valid

Fri Jul 22, 2016, 04:23 AM

Jul 2016

We had the general threat thing too, it was in many ways the defining feature of the debate. In our case it was Muslim refugees and Eastern Europeans who were going to eradicate our culture, endanger our safety and impoverish us.

UKIP and the right wing media were explicit about it, the Conservative Brexit campaign did the dog whistle thing.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/16/nigel-farage-defends-ukip-breaking-point-poster-queue-of-migrants
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/number-of-romanian-and-bulgarian-workers-in-uk-down-since-visa-restrictions-lifted-at-start-of-year-9367046.html

Also, professionals were actually the strongest Remain supporters. It was the blue collar workers who were keen to leave.

The AB social group (broadly speaking, professionals and managers) were the only social group among whom a majority voted to remain (57%). C1s divided fairly evenly; nearly two thirds of C2DEs (64%) voted to leave the EU.

http://lordashcroftpolls.com/2016/06/how-the-united-kingdom-voted-and-why/

The trope was that that eastern Europeans were competing for the jobs, housing and services of ordinary Brit families, while refugees would do all that plus threaten our security & culture.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3088541/Three-four-migrants-Eastern-Europe-filling-low-skill-jobs-roles-fruit-picking-evidence-mounts-cheap-labour-forcing-British-workers-pay.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2355208/Toll-mass-migration-UK-life-Half-Britons-suffer-strain-places-schools-police-NHS-housing.html
http://www.politics.co.uk/news/2015/09/04/nigel-farage-we-can-t-risk-showing-compassion-to-muslim-refu

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I don't buy into the "Americans are angry" bullshit. [View all] JaneyVee Jul 2016 OP

Some old white guys are angry CanonRay Jul 2016 #1

Maybe they're angry because their leaders keep... JaneyVee Jul 2016 #2

Wrong. They're angry because they're called racists for being angry. cherokeeprogressive Jul 2016 #13

I'm sorry, but racists are called racists for being racist kcr Jul 2016 #14

At some point the people slinging words like the ones you prefer need to analyze their motivation. cherokeeprogressive Jul 2016 #19

But you cant deny the racist element to alot of it either. JaneyVee Jul 2016 #28

You mean, like frequent dissing of individuals & groups of people just for being Ghost Dog Jul 2016 #58

Yeah, because old white men are surely oppressed in America. JaneyVee Jul 2016 #63

Respectfully, I think you refer to racial discrimination rather than racism itself Ghost Dog Jul 2016 #68

Did you miss every night of the RNC where the blamed blacks and liberals for everything? bettyellen Jul 2016 #65

Thankfully, yes. I only streamed 3+ hours last night Ghost Dog Jul 2016 #69

I watched last night w a lovely DUer that happens to be a dark skinned immigrant... bettyellen Jul 2016 #70

Oh, I'm definitely feeling much worse today. Ghost Dog Jul 2016 #72

Pretty sure I didnt mention race. JaneyVee Jul 2016 #23

Or cause they're racist?! tia uponit7771 Jul 2016 #38

They're angry because all those loyalties did not save them from losing their unearned privilege. Squinch Jul 2016 #56

My wife's 88 yr old aunt e-mail this morning. B Calm Jul 2016 #42

Made in USA? Her Sister Jul 2016 #60

Conservatives are full of anger and hate. Always ave been eom GusBob Jul 2016 #3

Because their rightwing leaders tell them to be. JaneyVee Jul 2016 #6

There's that liberal positivism! :) Hortensis Jul 2016 #53

I'm not sure I understand the context of the OP bonemachine Jul 2016 #4

Flabbergasted is understandable. JaneyVee Jul 2016 #8

Polling shows whites tend to be more angry BainsBane Jul 2016 #5

+1 uponit7771 Jul 2016 #39

+1000! DemonGoddess Jul 2016 #48

Sort of like the kid who always wants to be on top of the hill and has a tantrum if Person 2713 Jul 2016 #54

Stock market at all time high. The_Casual_Observer Jul 2016 #7

The only ones angry C_U_L8R Jul 2016 #9

You called it! sofa king Jul 2016 #12

'Americans are generally known for having a positive outlook on life, elleng Jul 2016 #10

Yet, there has never been a better time in US history to be alive. JaneyVee Jul 2016 #25

1. Economy elleng Jul 2016 #29

All this proves is fearmongering works... JaneyVee Jul 2016 #64

Many of Trump's supporters are genuinely angry. Tal Vez Jul 2016 #11

They're paying less at the pump than they ever thought Thrill Jul 2016 #15

Pokemon right here! BaronChocula Jul 2016 #20

One word... "Brexit". mwooldri Jul 2016 #16

I don't completely buy the comparison RonniePudding Jul 2016 #21

Sorry, but I think the Brexit comparison is valid TubbersUK Jul 2016 #41

All of that is true, but the previous poster was also correct. auntpurl Jul 2016 #43

Yes, that's a substantive difference TubbersUK Jul 2016 #45

It's valid for people who don't understand the differences, I suppose RonniePudding Jul 2016 #61

Then you need to get out more ibegurpard Jul 2016 #17

I live in NYC. JaneyVee Jul 2016 #26

explains a lot ibegurpard Jul 2016 #51

You should meet me and Pri to watch the DNC Monday! bettyellen Jul 2016 #66

What we should do BaronChocula Jul 2016 #18

I was thinking that myself... Wounded Bear Jul 2016 #31

Trump voters have literally never seen the word malaise. auntpurl Jul 2016 #44

White Republican Americans are angry oberliner Jul 2016 #22

America, show us your vision board!! nashville_brook Jul 2016 #24

Biggest problem we face are Republicans in office ffr Jul 2016 #27

There is nothing wrong with government... Beartracks Jul 2016 #35

I know some Americans that are extremely happy, giddy elmac Jul 2016 #30

Obama won with a positive campaign. Hillary can too. It's the best contrast with Trump. . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2016 #32

Trump is still trying to win over the angry white male vote. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2016 #33

That strategy is soon going down the demographic toilet. Good riddance. Grey Lemercier Jul 2016 #57

I'd be angry, too, if my party had decayed to the point of nominating... Trump. Beartracks Jul 2016 #34

Angry was always code for "I'm pissed a black guy is president." stopbush Jul 2016 #36

+1 uponit7771 Jul 2016 #40

Bingo! Where was this anger at the end of the GWBush years? JaneQPublic Jul 2016 #59

The biggest cause of this is solely UnFettered Jul 2016 #37

Spot on its all about the D at 1600 Pa Cosmocat Jul 2016 #46

Trump is the angry one. Nt NCTraveler Jul 2016 #47

I don't think Americans as a whole are angry DemonGoddess Jul 2016 #49

Yes! Johnny2X2X Jul 2016 #50

The Republicans have been running their campaigns on angry hate for decades. Scuba Jul 2016 #52

Pollyanna checking in! Glad to hear you never get to see it and it's not directed at you must be Person 2713 Jul 2016 #55

Of course they are angry! jcgoldie Jul 2016 #62

Good thing you missed the conversation I overheard Blue Idaho Jul 2016 #67

Good thread! Music Man Jul 2016 #71