2016 Postmortem

bekkilyn

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71. Agreed

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 02:57 PM

Jul 2016

Many Bernie or Bust folks are young white males who have fewer stakes in the election and can afford to be idealistic at the cost of real pain and suffering of the millions of people who were not so lucky to have been born privileged. I have supported Bernie Sanders since before he decided to run for President and I STILL support him because I believe in his goals and vision. If Hillary is the person who carries many of those goals forward, then so be it. It's still progress. People who would vote for someone like Trump who will move NONE of those goals forward, and cause great harm to the people in this country, the country itself, and our allies vs. a person who will at least try to move SOME of those goals forward are neither liberal nor progressive. Hillary may not be the perfect candidate, but she's what we've got. Let's work together with it.

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I'm going to be blunt. If one adopts a course of action that elects a fascist, they're not liberal. [View all] Zynx Jul 2016 OP

It's the country that can't afford it... tallahasseedem Jul 2016 #1

ONLY if the far left joins with the far right Hortensis Jul 2016 #39

But....but....Jonah Goldberg... MynameisBlarney Jul 2016 #54

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The voters made their decision. Zynx Jul 2016 #4

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Only crazy people think Clinton stole the primary voting via election fraud. geek tragedy Jul 2016 #33

I never said Clinton stole it...C'mon man Jack Bone Jul 2016 #37

there has never been a single piece of evidence showing geek tragedy Jul 2016 #40

Yes, there was ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2016 #66

There was one malfunctioning touchscreen oberliner Jul 2016 #73

Oh ... I didn't hear about that one ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2016 #81

Yes, I remember that. Didn't hear about the fact it was a phony claim. So stupid. Fla Dem Jul 2016 #108

It would have gone unchallenged; but for, the DUer ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2016 #113

No. The stepping on the scales by DWS and some members of the DNC, John Poet Jul 2016 #122

New York, California, Pennsylvania, Maryland, New Jersey all voted deep into geek tragedy Jul 2016 #126

Then enjoy President Trump Soxfan58 Jul 2016 #41

You're implying Charles Bukowski Jul 2016 #61

Are people seriously thinking that Hilary committed voter fraud? SummerSnow Jul 2016 #82

Bernie said she won fair and square. Is Bernie a liar? No. emulatorloo Jul 2016 #56

If that is true, then why blame a few Sanders supports? pangaia Jul 2016 #59

No, we're not overturning the will of the Democratic voters, Maven Jul 2016 #7

LOL I love you guys HerbChestnut Jul 2016 #8

Love you too! Maven Jul 2016 #9

This is a great step forward for party unity genna Jul 2016 #42

You need to back off this DemonGoddess Jul 2016 #10

And you actually believe that Bernie could win the GE? glennward Jul 2016 #11

I believe either Clinton or Sanders could win the GE. David__77 Jul 2016 #27

You overestimate yourselves in the minds of the voters. MichiganVote Jul 2016 #12

Please read the TOS: geek tragedy Jul 2016 #22

Exactly... StraightRazor Jul 2016 #24

This message was self-deleted by its author geek tragedy Jul 2016 #29

Well said. nt Cali_Democrat Jul 2016 #38

Exactly. +1000. Hortensis Jul 2016 #43

Agree + 1 million. Justice Jul 2016 #77

Counterpoint. PoliticalMalcontent Jul 2016 #115

or you get a leftwing Trump as the nominee. geek tragedy Jul 2016 #116

I don't know, man. PoliticalMalcontent Jul 2016 #128

have a good day too--stay dry and cool--nasty weather out east today nt geek tragedy Jul 2016 #130

Then they're not Democrats, they're facists Dem2 Jul 2016 #112

So we should just give in to their childish and babyish behavior? Just because their guy lost? Peigan68 Jul 2016 #26

So, DON'T give in. Don't get swept up by their flaming. Hortensis Jul 2016 #45

And you'd have a tough time one_voice Jul 2016 #69

Hillary is the nominee. This is the real world as Bernie tried to say over rude booing "supporters" we can do it Jul 2016 #96

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You are re-fighting the primary Democat Jul 2016 #114

Please self-delete that garbage. Lord Magus Jul 2016 #123

PRECISELY. Jill Stein is a FUCKING FASCIST!!! MohRokTah Jul 2016 #3

Easy there, Tiger. Don't get all tied up in a knot... HerbChestnut Jul 2016 #5

Whoa, Nelli....get up on the wrong side of the bed this morning? pangaia Jul 2016 #67

That's an odd justification predicated on the post hoc ergo prompter hoc fallacy. LanternWaste Jul 2016 #6

It would appear that their actions and words are at odds, if they adopt that course. Zynx Jul 2016 #17

That's OK dude /dudette. If Trump is elected AND takes the Hitler path......... socialist_n_TN Jul 2016 #46

I never see Trump mention godless communism. It doesn't exist if it ever did. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2016 #58

That is historically inaccurate. Hitler did NOT go after Jews first...... socialist_n_TN Jul 2016 #133

All those NSA databases and lists compiled by the spooks will prove very useful to KingCharlemagne Jul 2016 #63

It is "post hoc ergo propter hoc." Not "prompter" hoc. I see this mistake anneboleyn Jul 2016 #57

Thank you (I'm guilty too - but no more!). nt jonno99 Jul 2016 #84

spell check? AlbertCat Jul 2016 #85

But,Hillary isn't liberal.. coco77 Jul 2016 #13

Oh please. JTFrog Jul 2016 #14

Is she? coco77 Jul 2016 #16

Stupid question. JTFrog Jul 2016 #18

Unequivocally so, yes. Zynx Jul 2016 #19

Is she? AlbertCat Jul 2016 #87

Look at her policy positions and try again. Also, talk to Republicans and see what they think. Zynx Jul 2016 #15

They just hate her. coco77 Jul 2016 #20

Well, basically all Democrats these days are liberals. Zynx Jul 2016 #21

There is much I could say but.. coco77 Jul 2016 #23

How would you define a liberal? Zynx Jul 2016 #25

I don't want to go to.. coco77 Jul 2016 #32

Drop the passive aggressive attacks on DU and DU'ers emulatorloo Jul 2016 #70

I made a direct challenge. I think you owe an answer. Zynx Jul 2016 #131

Do you hate her? Renew Deal Jul 2016 #74

She's a democrat zenabby Jul 2016 #34

Our nominee is a democrat because they won the Democratic nomination genna Jul 2016 #48

Neither is anyone that doesn't vote for her in November Renew Deal Jul 2016 #78

She's always been left of center, & becoming more lib on many issues Panich52 Jul 2016 #93

Pull a Frozen and Let it Go! redstatebluegirl Jul 2016 #95

Bernie ot bust = Helping Trump. hrmjustin Jul 2016 #28

Bernoe ot bust = Helping Trump. AlbertCat Jul 2016 #89

The Republicans are not united. merrily Jul 2016 #31

THIS!! paparush Jul 2016 #52

Was for Bernie, now for Hillary PasadenaTrudy Jul 2016 #35

+1000 Blue_Tires Jul 2016 #36

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This message was self-deleted by its author geek tragedy Jul 2016 #47

only the Alex Jones types think Clinton cheated her way to the nomination. geek tragedy Jul 2016 #49

No it's the part where Demobrat Jul 2016 #50

You're peddling crazy talk in order to smear the Democratic geek tragedy Jul 2016 #53

Bashing the Democratic nominee merits a ban. Lord Magus Jul 2016 #106

And supporting someone who lost the primary and opposing the candidate who did .... Wounded Bear Jul 2016 #75

Putting labels on our Democratic nominee will not help your cause Renew Deal Jul 2016 #76

+1 Phlem Jul 2016 #102

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Ah, but you DO have to eat it Demobrat Jul 2016 #86

Yep Press Virginia Jul 2016 #99

This is not about DWS we can do it Jul 2016 #100

Completely and totally from day 1, even before EW and Bernie. Phlem Jul 2016 #103

+1 Marr Jul 2016 #109

I preferred Bernie get the red out Jul 2016 #55

And Bernie now supports Hillary. Blue Idaho Jul 2016 #65

Fear in politics. PoliticalMalcontent Jul 2016 #119

The movement is being exagerated by the media.... Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2016 #60

Obvious by the way they continually bait Bernie. nt 63splitwindow Jul 2016 #64

And by how they seek out the worst of the "Bernie-or-busters" to interview... Wounded Bear Jul 2016 #79

The movement is being exagerated by the media.... AlbertCat Jul 2016 #83

Seems half of the Hillary supporters here have bought that bridge. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2016 #97

I am voting for Hillary, but anoNY42 Jul 2016 #62

True, but not to worry, about 8% of Dems defect every time whatthehey Jul 2016 #68

Agreed bekkilyn Jul 2016 #71

Nicely said. we can do it Jul 2016 #101

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Another accusatory attack of Bernie supporters AlbertCat Jul 2016 #80

if there were not a coronation Pharaoh Jul 2016 #88

They never had any faith in him. Gman Jul 2016 #90

I supported Bernie but from the beginning my intention was to vote for the Democratic nominee. drm604 Jul 2016 #91

Can we just be honest for a moment? Marr Jul 2016 #92

Wish I could rec this a thousand times. we can do it Jul 2016 #94

Cut your nose off to spite your face. keithbvadu2 Jul 2016 #98

Thanks for your opinion. PoliticalMalcontent Jul 2016 #104

If one adopts a passive aggressive attitude to the degree that it sours people on your candidate? Zen Democrat Jul 2016 #105

K & R SunSeeker Jul 2016 #107

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Getting a lot more votes is not fraudulent means. Lord Magus Jul 2016 #120

Not being impartial, means you are advocating for a particular candidate, thus resulting in more grahamhgreen Jul 2016 #125

They never have gone down any "anti-progressive route." Lord Magus Jul 2016 #127

Fraud? Give me a break. There wasn't any damn fraud. Zynx Jul 2016 #132

How about Urchin Jul 2016 #117

Better preach that to DWS and the DNC, John Poet Jul 2016 #118

How about we stop with the lies about the DNC being "corrupt." Lord Magus Jul 2016 #121

Secret favoritism to boost one candidate, while they claim to everyone's face John Poet Jul 2016 #124

No, it's still bullshit. Lord Magus Jul 2016 #129

Calling even the hardest hard core Bernista a fascist shows historical naivete on your part Bucky Jul 2016 #134